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San Francisco "Quake" Shakes AAR

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fred flintstone

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San Francisco will take part of the The Stephanie Miller show and all of Lionel; Hartmann delayed bumps Maddow.

RadioDailyNews.com and the station's website report Clear Channel's progressive talk KQKE, San Francisco will clear hour one of the Stephanie Miller Show, from 6 am to 7am local time, starting this coming Monday (9/18). Steph replaces the locally produced "Progressive News Hour." KQKE's local morning show with former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown and comedian Will Durst (spots for his album run on the AAR network) will continue from 7 am to 10 am.

Here's the new schedule:
6am-7am Stephanie Miller
7am-10am Will and Willie
10am-12pm Al Franken
12pm-3pm Ed Schultz
3pm-6pm Randi Rhodes (delayed)
6pm-7pm Ecco Talk (new on weekdays)
7pm-10pm Thom Hartmann (delayed)
10pm-2am Lionel (delayed; one hour repeated)
2am-3am Mark Reilly
3am-6am Bill Press

Will and Wille earlier replaced Jerry Springer on KQKE
The station had been running Majority Report and Mike Malloy. They are taking Hartmann (not Rachel Maddow) and Lionel (not waiting for Malloy's eventual replacement).
The staton also had been carrying Air America Mornings during the overnight period but is taking Bill Press rather than the Young Turks from AAR.
This leaves two hours of Franken, all of Randi and one of the weekend shows AAR has moved to weekdays (replacing Randi's discontinued 4th hour) as the remaining AAR network product cleared in San Francisco (market four).
 
I read about some other changes in liberal talk radio:

Thom Hartmann's website has posted a "welcome" to his newest weekday affiliates (AAR has been feeding "Best of Hartmann" on weekends to the main network). In addition to KQKE, San Francisco (already mentioned in another thread), this includes:
KPOJ - "Portland's Progressive Talk Station" (where Hartmann already does local-live morning drive) and KTNF - "Air America Minnesota".

I also read that Lionel is also announcing that he has added new stations. In addition to "The Quake" in San Francisco, RadioDaily News reports Lionel is adding KTLK - "Progressive Talk 1150" in Los Angeles" and WWKB - "1520 AM, America's Left Channel." WWKB is a non-AAR lib-talk station, which can be heard clearly at night over most of the Eastern part of the country. Lionel's website is also reporting several stations with other formats are being added, including: WKJK 1080 AM in Louisville KY, WWKB 1520 AM in Buffalo NY, WHNZ 1250 AM in Tampa FL, WOND 1400 AM in Atlantic City NJ, KTLK 100.3 FM in Minneapolis MN, and WCRN 830 AM in Worcester MA.

Interesting material on this topic, wouldn't everyone agree?
 
Radio_Realist said:
Glad you agee, Scott.

Who is Scott?
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I am sorry. I under stand often in cases of multiple personality disorder, some personalities are not aware of each other. That accounts for someone, for instance, using multiple user names simultaneously - each one offering different and conflicting viewpoints and personal references.

Scott is the name on your driver's license.

I understand they have made great strides in treating multiple personality since the movie "All About Eve" was released. Maybe you can get help.
 
>>WCRN 830 AM in Worcester MA.

That showed up on his site (Lionel) a couple months back...not sure if WCRN had made an agreement to
eventually pick him up or if it's inaccurate, etc. Maybe he is/will be on there...Currently the WCRN site
lists Peter Blute, some financial shows, Laura Ingraham, Howie Carr, Savage, Doyle, and Doug Stephen.

Since Fred Sanford's son "Lamont" is running for Senate in Connecticut, it's only natural George & Louise
Jefferson's son should go into talk radio (kidding!)
 
FightingIrish said:
Thought I'd post it in this thread instead of starting another.

I posted schedule changes for KTLK in LA, KQKE in San Francisco and KPTK in Seattle yesterday.

Today, updated station schedule changes for KCTC in Sacramento, KPOJ in Portland, WINZ in Miami, WXXM in Madison, KTNF in Minneapolis/St. Paul, and KKZN in Denver/Boulder have been added to my site:

http://ltradio.blogspot.com/2006/09/liberal-talk-radio-stations-shuffle.html
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Or you could have posted to the schedule changes to: Hartmann Picks Up Weekday Stations; Other Lib-Talk Schedule Changes.

In any case, your blog has an excellent summary of what's happening - much of it new information. Thank you for providing it (and for the research involved).

I guess what some of you want ultimately is this board composed of a handful of threads, which never leave page one, and run to hundreds of pages. ???
 
fred flintstone said:
FightingIrish said:
Thought I'd post it in this thread instead of starting another.

I posted schedule changes for KTLK in LA, KQKE in San Francisco and KPTK in Seattle yesterday.

Today, updated station schedule changes for KCTC in Sacramento, KPOJ in Portland, WINZ in Miami, WXXM in Madison, KTNF in Minneapolis/St. Paul, and KKZN in Denver/Boulder have been added to my site:

http://ltradio.blogspot.com/2006/09/liberal-talk-radio-stations-shuffle.html
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Or you could have posted to the schedule changes to: Hartmann Picks Up Weekday Stations; Other Lib-Talk Schedule Changes.

In any case, your blog has an excellent summary of what's happening - much of it new information. Thank you for providing it (and for the research involved).

I guess what some of you want ultimately is this board composed of a handful of threads, which never leave page one, and run to hundreds of pages. ???
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Well, in a perfect world...

1. Instead of two or more threads about station schedule changes, or three seperate threads about AAR bankruptcy rumors, how about just adding to the one thread? They're all saying the same thing anyway, and it makes it less confusing. If it truly deserves a seperate thread, then give it one. Otherwise, its confusing.

2. And these ridiculous filibuster flame wars are getting ridiculous! Luckily, there is a forum for that stuff now, and it's called "Take It Outside".

3. And finally, the politics stuff should go in the "Off The Air" forum. Some of the stuff here is getting ridiculous. I, for one, am tired about stupid threads arguing about why stations are called "Progressive Talk". I don't go on the Alternative Rock forum and debate why it should be called "Modern Rock". And I don't debate why "Hip Hop" or "Rap" is more adequate. We've beat the horse dead now. Let's move on.

Oh, and thanks for the compliment.
 
Hartmann Moves Up; Weekend Show Pushed Back

All Access reports that after one week, KQKE has adjusted the schedule.
Weekend transplant Ecco-Talk pushed back from a 6pm start to a 9pm start to follow Thom Hartmann.
Hartmann's show now moves up to a 6pm start (late PM drive - immediately following Randi Rhodes).
Next week maybe Ecco-Talk will end up following Lionel - or back on weekends.
Sticking two weekend shows that sound like weekend shows into the weekday evening schedule is clearly an economy move on AAR's part - and they need economy moves. What they don't need are two more weak entries in the program schedule (even if only the turnkey stations plus XM and the Internet audio stream take them).
This move can also be taken as a vote of confidence in Thom Hartmann. AAR has done little for him and probably cost him more stations than they have gained him. He's a guy they should have gone after in the first place but - no - they needed names.
 
ouch

Hartmann could sound as good as Franken if he amputated his nose.
 
Re: Hartmann Moves Up; Weekend Show Pushed Back

fred flintstone said:
All Access reports that after one week, KQKE has adjusted the schedule.
Weekend transplant Ecco-Talk pushed back from a 6pm start to a 9pm start to follow Thom Hartmann.
Hartmann's show now moves up to a 6pm start (late PM drive - immediately following Randi Rhodes).
Next week maybe Ecco-Talk will end up following Lionel - or back on weekends.
Sticking two weekend shows that sound like weekend shows into the weekday evening schedule is clearly an economy move on AAR's part - and they need economy moves. What they don't need are two more weak entries in the program schedule (even if only the turnkey stations plus XM and the Internet audio stream take them).
This move can also be taken as a vote of confidence in Thom Hartmann. AAR has done little for him and probably cost him more stations than they have gained him. He's a guy they should have gone after in the first place but - no - they needed names.
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AAR may have its flaws but it is not the root of all evil that you like to think it is.

Hartmann explained his relationship with AAR last week on his show, in response to the bankruptcy rumors. He has not lost any affiliates due to being picked up by AAR. And he's picked up quite a few stations thanks in part to his affiliation with them. The show is especially strong in west coast markets.

He still owns his show, and has an agreement with AAR to distribute. Prior to AAR and after the demise of I.E. America, he self-syndicated, borrowing satellite time from Jones.

And AAR did not pick him up initially because Franken was already going to get the 12-3ET slot. Hartmann's show is why they started the separate syndication division. And I have to say, it was a good move for both parties.

As for "Politically Direct" and "EcoTalk", yeah, not my cup of tea either, but it was cost-effective for AAR, since they had their own sponsors. Plus, both shows are an hour long, therefore, stations could slot them in to fill space if necessary. And they're scheduled in a throwaway dead zone time slot. "Majority Report" wasn't exactly getting large numbers of live clearances, since many of their bigger affiliates carry Big Eddie and delay Randi Rhodes or other programs. Believe it or not, those two hour-long shows are actually being picked up by some affiliates. And Rachel Maddow has also picked up quite a few markets herself, including a live PM drive clearance in Seattle. Building up Maddow's profile was one of the things AAR did not screw up, though they shifted her around a little.

The Quake was almost a given to pick up "EcoTalk", since they're pretty committed to short-form specialty programming and also do a lot of pro-environment stuff. They also do some LGBT programming, which is a damn smart move, since this is a very lucrative market (especially in SF), if handled right.
 
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FightingIrish said:
AAR may have its flaws but it is not the root of all evil that you like to think it is.

Hartmann explained his relationship with AAR last week on his show, in response to the bankruptcy rumors. He has not lost any affiliates due to being picked up by AAR. And he's picked up quite a few stations thanks in part to his affiliation with them. The show is especially strong in west coast markets.

He still owns his show, and has an agreement with AAR to distribute. Prior to AAR and after the demise of I.E. America, he self-syndicated, borrowing satellite time from Jones.

And AAR did not pick him up initially because Franken was already going to get the 12-3ET slot. Hartmann's show is why they started the separate syndication division. And I have to say, it was a good move for both parties.

As for "Politically Direct" and "EcoTalk", yeah, not my cup of tea either, but it was cost-effective for AAR, since they had their own sponsors. Plus, both shows are an hour long, therefore, stations could slot them in to fill space if necessary. And they're scheduled in a throwaway dead zone time slot. "Majority Report" wasn't exactly getting large numbers of live clearances, since many of their bigger affiliates carry Big Eddie and delay Randi Rhodes or other programs. Believe it or not, those two hour-long shows are actually being picked up by some affiliates. And Rachel Maddow has also picked up quite a few markets herself, including a live PM drive clearance in Seattle. Building up Maddow's profile was one of the things AAR did not screw up, though they shifted her around a little.

The Quake was almost a given to pick up "EcoTalk", since they're pretty committed to short-form specialty programming and also do a lot of pro-environment stuff. They also do some LGBT programming, which is a damn smart move, since this is a very lucrative market (especially in SF), if handled right.
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O'Reilly and Gallagher are the root of all evil. AAR is a bastion of broadcast incompetence, which undermines the credibility of the progressive talk format to the industry and to the public.

Hartmann did lose stations to AAR when they started up; before he made a syndication deal with them. The track record of their so-called syndication division is not promising. It seems to be a place to park Hartmann until Franken leaves, and a place to dump Jerry until his contract is up. Unless Hartmann's contract gives him Franken's show when Franken leaves (meanwhile he stays busy in Portland - showing progressive talk can work), the deal makes no sense.

Cost-effective for AAR = Cheap. Clearly they need to cut costs. So they fire people (we shall see if they are firing the wrong people and keeping dead wood, as public sector organizations tend to do). And they put weekend schlock on weeknights. Not good economy, but at least the spending spree is over.

Rachel Maddow is not ready for prime time. But political correctness rules and AAR has too many straight hosts. Also too many White hosts (so Reilly gets a token spot pre-AM drive). And without Maddow, too many Male hosts. They keep moving Maddow because she keeps striking out; they keep her because .... well, you know.

More than anything, AAR needs to admit that their network model failed. Give it up. Stop trying to fill every daypart, whether they've got a show or not.
 
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Gnarlodious said:
Hartmann could sound as good as Franken if he amputated his nose.
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You can always count on some right-wing nut job to come in with a dumb-ass cheap shot that adds nothing meaningful or substantive. Thank you for demonstrating again that righties are petty, mean-spirited, classless people.
 
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fred flintstone said:
O'Reilly and Gallagher are the root of all evil. AAR is a bastion of broadcast incompetence, which undermines the credibility of the progressive talk format to the industry and to the public.

Hartmann did lose stations to AAR when they started up; before he made a syndication deal with them. The track record of their so-called syndication division is not promising. It seems to be a place to park Hartmann until Franken leaves, and a place to dump Jerry until his contract is up. Unless Hartmann's contract gives him Franken's show when Franken leaves (meanwhile he stays busy in Portland - showing progressive talk can work), the deal makes no sense.
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I count one - KTRC in Santa Fe, NM. And he may have been shifted to another station there. Gnarldolious is from around those parts, and would know.

Other than that, AAR did not take over any other former Hartmann/I.E. America affiliate.

Rachel Maddow is not ready for prime time. But political correctness rules and AAR has too many straight hosts. Also too many White hosts (so Reilly gets a token spot pre-AM drive). And without Maddow, too many Male hosts. They keep moving Maddow because she keeps striking out; they keep her because .... well, you know.
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Believe it or not, she does have a growing following. And has been appearing a lot on MSNBC. I think she's improved quite a bit since debuting on AAR (she came from a radio background).

More than anything, AAR needs to admit that their network model failed. Give it up. Stop trying to fill every daypart, whether they've got a show or not.
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TRN and Radio America also program a 24/7 schedule. And Radio America's schedule is far weaker than AAR's.

http://www.radioamerica.org/index.htm
 
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fred flintstone said:
Rachel Maddow is not ready for prime time. But political correctness rules and AAR has too many straight hosts. Also too many White hosts (so Reilly gets a token spot pre-AM drive). And without Maddow, too many Male hosts. They keep moving Maddow because she keeps striking out; they keep her because .... well, you know.

More than anything, AAR needs to admit that their network model failed. Give it up. Stop trying to fill every daypart, whether they've got a show or not.
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More nonsense. If political correctness had anything to do with this, there'd be at least one daily liberal talk show on AAR with a sole African American host from the beginning. There isn't. Reilly ended up with one because Maron is gone. And Chuck D has a throwaway Sunday show airing late night. And Maddow's sexual orientation is not something she spends a huge amount of time on and nobody considers her show a bastion of GLB politics. She's a talk show host who just happens to be a lesbian. And that's exactly the way it should be. AAR is not running niche talk. Their weekday shows are broad-based general audience shows. Maddow is not a falling star - he presence on Tucker and her ability to be very articulate and sharp on TV has made her a frequent guest on cable news shows (Randi is good on the radio but not so good on the TV where she gets too long winded and rambly). Having the 6-8ET slot is not as bad as being pre-empted in the morning drive slot where many AAR stations run their own shows.

And let's play compare and contrast with the world of conservative talk. With a massive number of conservative talk shows out there, let's take a look at how many African-American hosts with network shows you can count on one or two hands. Conservative talk is mostly angry white male (just like their listeners), with a minority of female hosts thrown into the mix.

Nobody with AAR wrote a business plan proposing to run a niche talk operation with a quota system. That AAR is being held to a standard that no other company (and no right wing operation) is being held to by you demonstrates this is another hit post.
 
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FightingIrish said:
More than anything, AAR needs to admit that their network model failed. Give it up. Stop trying to fill every daypart, whether they've got a show or not.
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TRN and Radio America also program a 24/7 schedule. And Radio America's schedule is far weaker than AAR's.

http://www.radioamerica.org/index.htm
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Both TRN and Radio America operate on a syndication model. Shows are offered a la carte. There is no attempt made to tie shows together under a single brand name. I am not aware of any station which takes their entire schedule from either on a turnkey basis. Further they offer stations multiple feed times for each show.

TRN feeds on three channels: two on an ABC satellite; one on a Westwood One satellite. Few, if any, stations access all three channels. Feeds overlap with multiple shows sometimes being fed at one time and sometimes the same show is offered on multiple channels. Nothing is offered (live or delayed) in morning drive on any of their channels.
Here is the live feed schedule:
Laura Ingraham 9am - 12pm
Tammy Bruce 12pm - 3pm
Jerry Doyle 3pm - 6pm
Michael Savage 6pm - 9pm
Michael Savage (alt channel) 7pm - 10pm
Rusty Humphries 9pm - 12am
Roy Masters 1am - 5am

Radio America is weaker. They have one channel which does feed programming on a 24 hour basis - but that schedule includes repeats of convicted felon G. Gordon Liddy and of hollywood brat Michael Reagan.
 
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Nonesense? What's nonsense is to make a comparison to conservative talk radio and expecting them to practice political correctness. Sorry, that's not a game they'd play. Of course, Irish Catholics do seem to be over-represented among rightie hosts.

Rachel Maddow came from brief experience at a flea bite station in Western Massachusetts but with some activist connections. Mark Reilly (along with Wayne Gellman) was forced on AAR by Black-owned ICBC as part of the WLIB LMA. Ironically, most progressive talk stations can count Lionel toward their PC quotas.

The group most over-represented at AAR is pro-Zionist Northeast Jews (Franken, Rhodes, Seder) who condone and even approve of Palestinian genocide.

If any broadcaster were to be truly color blind and hire solely on merit, any operation would be mostly White males. This is radio's dirty little secret. Affirmative action has saddled the industry with a subset of employees who are not qualified, not motivated and who know they are untouchable. Now somebody is going to get on their high horse and call this racist. What's racist is how (to paraphrase Martin Luther King) broadcasting and the EEOC judge people by the color of their skin, NOT by the content of their character.

Phillip Dampier said:
More nonsense. If political correctness had anything to do with this, there'd be at least one daily liberal talk show on AAR with a sole African American host from the beginning. There isn't. Reilly ended up with one because Maron is gone. And Chuck D has a throwaway Sunday show airing late night. And Maddow's sexual orientation is not something she spends a huge amount of time on and nobody considers her show a bastion of GLB politics. She's a talk show host who just happens to be a lesbian. And that's exactly the way it should be. AAR is not running niche talk. Their weekday shows are broad-based general audience shows. Maddow is not a falling star - he presence on Tucker and her ability to be very articulate and sharp on TV has made her a frequent guest on cable news shows (Randi is good on the radio but not so good on the TV where she gets too long winded and rambly). Having the 6-8ET slot is not as bad as being pre-empted in the morning drive slot where many AAR stations run their own shows.

And let's play compare and contrast with the world of conservative talk. With a massive number of conservative talk shows out there, let's take a look at how many African-American hosts with network shows you can count on one or two hands. Conservative talk is mostly angry white male (just like their listeners), with a minority of female hosts thrown into the mix.

Nobody with AAR wrote a business plan proposing to run a niche talk operation with a quota system. That AAR is being held to a standard that no other company (and no right wing operation) is being held to by you demonstrates this is another hit post.
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FightingIrish said:
TRN and Radio America also program a 24/7 schedule. And Radio America's schedule is far weaker than AAR's.
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Not a good analogy. TRN and Radio America are like lots of other wanna be syndicatiors.-- ie. Business Talk Radio, Genesis Communications, Head on Radio, Lifestyle Radio Network, Republic Broadcasting, USA Radio Network, and several others that make a network feed of their programming available by satellite and/or internet distribution. They are not attempting to have their entire network picked up by radio stations. The only network that is analagous to AAR is Salem and they are different because, unlike AAR, they own the stations that carry their program. (Not surprising, could you imagine a radio station willingly carrying the garbage that Salem offers.)
 
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fred flintstone said:
The group most over-represented at AAR is pro-Zionist Northeast Jews (Franken, Rhodes, Seder) who condone and even approve of Palestinian genocide.
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I have to use a comment that has been made about me after some of my more aggressive posts. i.e. "have you forgotten to take your meds today?"

Calling Franken, Rhodes, and Seder (who happen to be Jewish) Zionists is a bit of stretch. I don't listen to Franken very much but Rhodes and Seder are hardly Zionist. During the Israeli invasion of Lebanon both Rhodes and Seder were actively criticizing Israel -- even while the cable networks (with the possible exception of CNN) were beating the war drums. If you want to accuse Jewish talk radio hosts as being Zionists you need to look to the right. Michael Medved, Dennis Praeger, Mark Levin, and Barry Farber are somewhere to the right of the late Rabbi Meir Kahane.
 
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