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San Francisco TV has too many tv stations.

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e-dawg

San Francisco has way too many tv stations, the most OTA stations that I ever seen, second to LA.

KTVU 2 FOX Mt. Sutro
KRON 4 IND Mt. Sutro
KPIX 5 CBS Mt. Sutro
KGO 7 ABC Mt. Sutro
KQED 9 PBS Mt. Sutro
KNTV 11 NBC San Bruno Mtn
KDTV 14 UNI Fremont Peak
KBWB 20 WB Mt. Sutro
KRCB 22 PBS ????(North Bay only)
KTSF 26 ETHNIC San Bruno Mtn
KMTP 32 ETHNIC/DW/ARTS Mt. Suturo
KICU 36 IND Fremont Peak
KCNS 38 SATH Mt. Suturo
KTNC 42 AZA Mt. Diablo
KSTS 48 TELE Fremont Peak
KFTY 50 IND ????(North Bay only)
KTEH 54 PBS Fremont Peak
KCSM 60 PBS Mt. Suturo(Digital Only)
KTFK 64 TF Mt. Diablo (Sacramento Market)
KKPX 65 ITV Mt. Loma Peroma
KFSF 66 TF Mt. Sutro
KTLN 68 TLN ???? (North Bay Only)
 
> San Francisco has way too many tv stations, the most OTA
> stations that I ever seen, second to LA.
>
> KTVU 2 FOX Mt. Sutro
> KRON 4 IND Mt. Sutro
> KPIX 5 CBS Mt. Sutro
> KGO 7 ABC Mt. Sutro
> KQED 9 PBS Mt. Sutro
> KNTV 11 NBC San Bruno Mtn
> KDTV 14 UNI Fremont Peak
> KBWB 20 WB Mt. Sutro
> KRCB 22 PBS ????(North Bay only)
> KTSF 26 ETHNIC San Bruno Mtn
> KMTP 32 ETHNIC/DW/ARTS Mt. Suturo
> KICU 36 IND Fremont Peak
> KCNS 38 SATH Mt. Suturo
> KTNC 42 AZA Mt. Diablo
> KSTS 48 TELE Fremont Peak
> KFTY 50 IND ????(North Bay only)
> KTEH 54 PBS Fremont Peak
> KCSM 60 PBS Mt. Suturo(Digital Only)
> KTFK 64 TF Mt. Diablo (Sacramento Market)
> KKPX 65 ITV Mt. Loma Peroma
> KFSF 66 TF Mt. Sutro
> KTLN 68 TLN ???? (North Bay Only)


Don't forget
KBHK 44 UPN Mt.Sutro
 
> San Francisco has way too many tv stations, the most OTA
> stations that I ever seen, second to LA.
>
> KTVU 2 FOX Mt. Sutro
> KRON 4 IND Mt. Sutro
> KPIX 5 CBS Mt. Sutro
> KGO 7 ABC Mt. Sutro
> KQED 9 PBS Mt. Sutro
> KNTV 11 NBC San Bruno Mtn
> KDTV 14 UNI Fremont Peak
> KBWB 20 WB Mt. Sutro
> KRCB 22 PBS ????(North Bay only)
> KTSF 26 ETHNIC San Bruno Mtn
> KMTP 32 ETHNIC/DW/ARTS Mt. Suturo
> KICU 36 IND Fremont Peak
> KCNS 38 SATH Mt. Suturo
> KTNC 42 AZA Mt. Diablo
> KSTS 48 TELE Fremont Peak
> KFTY 50 IND ????(North Bay only)
> KTEH 54 PBS Fremont Peak
> KCSM 60 PBS Mt. Suturo(Digital Only)
> KTFK 64 TF Mt. Diablo (Sacramento Market)
> KKPX 65 ITV Mt. Loma Peroma
> KFSF 66 TF Mt. Sutro
> KTLN 68 TLN ???? (North Bay Only)
>
Yeah and I don't get how we have so many pbs stations. Are we the only market that has that many?<P ID="signature">______________
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> Yeah and I don't get how we have so many pbs stations. Are
> we the only market that has that many?

The Los Angeles area has a similar number of PBS stations:
KVCR-24 San Bernardino/Riverside
KCET-28 Los Angeles
KOCE-50 Huntington Beach
KLCS-58 Los Angeles

New York area:
WNET-13 Newark/New York City
WLIW-21 Riverhead, Long Island
WEDW-49 Bridgeport, CT
plus four stations of the New Jersey Network
 
KTLN/68 comes in pretty strong in Stockton

> KTLN 68 TLN ???? (North Bay Only)
Does anyone know where the transmitter of KTLN is ? It comes in pretty good here in the Central Valley City of Stockton.
 
> San Francisco has way too many tv stations, the most OTA
> stations that I ever seen, second to LA.

Get rid of stations being allowed to run infomercials or broker out time and I bet a lot of the Us would go dark. (Nationwide ... and so would 90% of the LPTVs.)

I suspect all those stations, plus their digital second channels, is the reason there is only one LPTV operating in the Bay Area (KMMC-LP/40). <P ID="signature">______________


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>
> The Los Angeles area has a similar number of PBS stations:
> KVCR-24 San Bernardino/Riverside
> KCET-28 Los Angeles
> KOCE-50 Huntington Beach
> KLCS-58 Los Angeles
>
> New York area:
> WNET-13 Newark/New York City
> WLIW-21 Riverhead, Long Island
> WEDW-49 Bridgeport, CT
> plus four stations of the New Jersey Network
>
There is also WNYE-25, a low-budget PBS-type station owned by NYC
 
Do the PBS stations show the same programs?

Here in San Diego they often pre-empt national programming for their smug locally-produced shows. There was talk at some point that KCTS from LA would start to be offered down here on cable, as their schedule varies from KPBS. You should have heard the rucus snortin' hissy-fit KPBS put on with that suggestion.


> > San Francisco has way too many tv stations, the most OTA
> > stations that I ever seen, second to LA.
> >
> > KTVU 2 FOX Mt. Sutro
> > KRON 4 IND Mt. Sutro
> > KPIX 5 CBS Mt. Sutro
> > KGO 7 ABC Mt. Sutro
> > KQED 9 PBS Mt. Sutro
> > KNTV 11 NBC San Bruno Mtn
> > KDTV 14 UNI Fremont Peak
> > KBWB 20 WB Mt. Sutro
> > KRCB 22 PBS ????(North Bay only)
> > KTSF 26 ETHNIC San Bruno Mtn
> > KMTP 32 ETHNIC/DW/ARTS Mt. Suturo
> > KICU 36 IND Fremont Peak
> > KCNS 38 SATH Mt. Suturo
> > KTNC 42 AZA Mt. Diablo
> > KSTS 48 TELE Fremont Peak
> > KFTY 50 IND ????(North Bay only)
> > KTEH 54 PBS Fremont Peak
> > KCSM 60 PBS Mt. Suturo(Digital Only)
> > KTFK 64 TF Mt. Diablo (Sacramento Market)
> > KKPX 65 ITV Mt. Loma Peroma
> > KFSF 66 TF Mt. Sutro
> > KTLN 68 TLN ???? (North Bay Only)
>
>
> Don't forget
> KBHK 44 UPN Mt.Sutro
>
 
> >
> > The Los Angeles area has a similar number of PBS stations:
>
> > KVCR-24 San Bernardino/Riverside
> > KCET-28 Los Angeles
> > KOCE-50 Huntington Beach
> > KLCS-58 Los Angeles
> >
> > New York area:
> > WNET-13 Newark/New York City
> > WLIW-21 Riverhead, Long Island
> > WEDW-49 Bridgeport, CT
> > plus four stations of the New Jersey Network
> >
> There is also WNYE-25, a low-budget PBS-type station owned
> by NYC
>
I resisted listing WNYE, as it is doing less and less "PBS" style programming and airing more independent productions and NYC-produced programs. But, by license alone, it counts.
 
> Do the PBS stations show the same programs?
>
> Here in San Diego they often pre-empt national programming
> for their smug locally-produced shows. There was talk at
> some point that KCTS from LA would start to be offered down
> here on cable, as their schedule varies from KPBS. You
> should have heard the rucus snortin' hissy-fit KPBS put on
> with that suggestion.
>
In San Francisco and the Bay Area, KQED is the first, largest and primary PBS station, airing the national PBS schedule pretty much in pattern with the rest of the country. They also produce much more local programming than the other PBS stations.
KCSM-DT airs a ton of true instructional programs, along with time-shifted PBS fare (often delayed by a week). It is also digital-only, having lost the transmitter site for analog channel 60 on Mt. San Bruno a while back.
KRCB in the North Bay is the smallest of the stations, and only recently began offering 24 hour broadcasts. It also airs PBS, a little behind the rest of the network.
Eventually, they all show the same stuff.
 
> There was talk at
> some point that KCTS from LA would start to be offered down
> here on cable, as their schedule varies from KPBS.

KCTS?<P ID="signature">______________


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> > There was talk at
> > some point that KCTS from LA would start to be offered
> down
> > here on cable, as their schedule varies from KPBS.
>
> KCTS?
>
Obviously sd meant KCET. KCTS is Seattle's PBS station.
 
> San Francisco has way too many tv stations, the most OTA
> stations that I ever seen, second to LA.
>
> KTVU 2 FOX Mt. Sutro
> KRON 4 IND Mt. Sutro
> KPIX 5 CBS Mt. Sutro
> KGO 7 ABC Mt. Sutro
> KQED 9 PBS Mt. Sutro
> KNTV 11 NBC San Bruno Mtn
> KDTV 14 UNI Fremont Peak
> KBWB 20 WB Mt. Sutro
> KRCB 22 PBS ????(North Bay only)
> KTSF 26 ETHNIC San Bruno Mtn
> KMTP 32 ETHNIC/DW/ARTS Mt. Suturo
> KICU 36 IND Fremont Peak
> KCNS 38 SATH Mt. Suturo
> KTNC 42 AZA Mt. Diablo
> KSTS 48 TELE Fremont Peak
> KFTY 50 IND ????(North Bay only)
> KTEH 54 PBS Fremont Peak
> KCSM 60 PBS Mt. Suturo(Digital Only)
> KTFK 64 TF Mt. Diablo (Sacramento Market)
> KKPX 65 ITV Mt. Loma Peroma
> KFSF 66 TF Mt. Sutro
> KTLN 68 TLN ???? (North Bay Only)
>
I agree with you. I just watch about five stations. Dishnetwork doesn't carry channels 38, 64, 65.
 
> > Do the PBS stations show the same programs?
> >
> > Here in San Diego they often pre-empt national programming
>
> > for their smug locally-produced shows. There was talk at
> > some point that KCTS from LA would start to be offered
> down
> > here on cable, as their schedule varies from KPBS. You
> > should have heard the rucus snortin' hissy-fit KPBS put on
>
> > with that suggestion.
> >
> In San Francisco and the Bay Area, KQED is the first,
> largest and primary PBS station, airing the national PBS
> schedule pretty much in pattern with the rest of the
> country. They also produce much more local programming than
> the other PBS stations.
> KCSM-DT airs a ton of true instructional programs, along
> with time-shifted PBS fare (often delayed by a week). It is
> also digital-only, having lost the transmitter site for
> analog channel 60 on Mt. San Bruno a while back.
> KRCB in the North Bay is the smallest of the stations, and
> only recently began offering 24 hour broadcasts. It also
> airs PBS, a little behind the rest of the network.
> Eventually, they all show the same stuff.
>
What about KTEH in San Jose?
 
> KKPX 65 ITV Mt. Loma Peroma
> KFSF 66 TF Mt. Sutro

Given that these two stations overlap into San Francisco, one has wonder whether these stations should simulcast or move to different channels.
 
> I suspect all those stations, plus their digital second
> channels, is the reason there is only one LPTV operating in
> the Bay Area (KMMC-LP/40).
>

I think there's a couple of other LPTVs in the Bay Area, perhaps not right in the metro of SF:

1)KFTL-CA on 28. It's a mix of religous, home shopping, and ethnic. When Family sold UHF 64 to Telefutura, they moved their programming to this station. Their signal does reach the city/SF. (I guess if you really want to get picky, this station is not a LPTV station, but a Class-A...)

2)I think there's a LPTV/Class A in San Jose on Ch. 22; they're doing Spanish Religion....
 
> > KKPX 65 ITV Mt. Loma Peroma
> > KFSF 66 TF Mt. Sutro
>
> Given that these two stations overlap into San Francisco,
> one has wonder whether these stations should simulcast or
> move to different channels.

Will it matter after the digital transition is completed?<P ID="signature">______________


</P>
 
> > There was talk at
> > some point that KCTS from LA would start to be offered
> down
> > here on cable, as their schedule varies from KPBS.
>
> KCTS?
>

My brain said KCET...fingers disagreed.
 
Try Dallas/Ft. Worth: 2 KDTN (Daystar--religious) 4 KDFW (Fox) 5 KXAS (NBC) 8 WFAA(ABC) 11 KTVT (CBS) 12 KXII (CBS, Ada/Ardmore, OK-- gets into northern parts of the market) 13 KERA (PBS) 21 KTXA (UPN) 23 KUVN (Univision--Spanish) 27 KDFI (Ind.) 29 KMPX (Spanish) 33 KDAF (WB) 39 KXTX (Telemundo--Spanish) 43 KNOKLP (Religious) 44 K19DW (appears to be Spanish/Religious) 47 KTAQ (Religious) 49 KSTR (Spanish) 52 KFWD (Ind.) 55 KLDT (Religious) 58 KDTX (Religious) 68 KPXD (i or Pax)
 
In Chicago we have

WBBM TV 2 CBS
WMAQ TV 5 NBC
WLS TV 7 ABC
WGN TV 9 WB (TO BE CW NETWORK)
WTTW TV 11 PBS
WOCK CA 13 AZTECHA AMERICA
WYCC TV 20 PBS
WWME CA 23 IND CLASSIC TV (OWNED BY WCIU TV)
WCIU TV 26 IND
WFLD TV 32 FOX
WWTO TV 35 TBN (ALTHOUGH LISENCED TO LA SALLE ILLINOIS IT IS IN THE CHICAGO DMA SO IT QUALIFIES FOR MUST CARRY ON MOST CHICAGO CABLE SYSTEMS
WCPX TV 38 "I"
WSNS TV 44 TELEMUNDO (OWNED BY WMAQ TV)
WPWR TV 50 UPN (TO BE MY NETWORK OWNED BY WFLD TV
LICENSED TO GARY INDIANA
WYIN TV 56 PBS LISENCED TO GARY INDIANA
WXFT TV 60 TELEFUTRA (OWNED BY WGBO TV) LICENSED TO ARORRA ILLINOIS
WJYS TV LISENCED TO HAMOND INDIANA INFORMERCAILS AND PAID RELIGIOUN
WGBO TV 66 UNIVISION lICENSED TO JOLIET ILLINOIS
 
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