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Sangean HDT-1 Tuner First Impressions.

In some long ago and far away post, I threatened to buy a Sangean HDT-1 on my next trip to Dallas. The deed is done. The place of purchase was Fry’s on Northwest Highway. My seemingly simple task turned out to be quite an experience.

The last time I was there, they had three HD radios on display. That had been reduced to just two this time, but they had moved them to a slightly more visible location. On display were the Sangean table radio, and the BA Receptor. The BA was still deaf as a post, receiving only a couple of stations inside the building. The Sangean table radio worked, but the whip antenna was not extended. After messing with the antenna for a minute, it came to life, and actually worked reasonably well.

Unfortunately, neither of these radios was what I’d come in to purchase. With the help of a clueless but friendly clerk, we went on a search for the tuner version. It was eventually discovered on the bottom shelf in the home satellite radio receiver section. Unfortunately there were none in a box, just the incomplete display version. The clerk consulted their computer, which said they had 6 in stock. She spent the next 15 minutes finding the elusive radios. Total elapsed time, not counting actually paying for the radio was about 30-40 minutes. I nearly gave up.

I now have the radio at our studios, where I put it in the control room temporarily in place of our Inovonics modulation monitor. This allowed me to feed our control room speakers, which for better or worse, I’m quite familiar with. It is connected to a 6 element Yagi which also shares duty with our EAS receiver which gets NWS from Shreveport, LA which is about 60 miles away. The antenna is pointed toward Shreveport, but it does an OK job of receiving our two other EAS monitoring stations as well as most local stations on the Inovonics modulation monitor.

The Sangean tuner is simple to figure out, with large and easy to comprehend buttons. It feels a little flimsy, but what do you expect? It is made I China, and looks like it. At least, there are no wall warts. It even has a small wireless remote control.

As for performance, it’s a bit disappointing. It is a good radio, but it does not seem like an outstanding radio. For “outstanding” performance, I think you’ll still need something like a Fanfare FT-1. Of course the Fanfare tuners cost a lot more, so that probably isn’t a fair comparison. It is a definite step up from a GE Super Radio, which is still one of the best buys in radio, if mono is OK for your application.

With the included loop antenna, I am unable to receive any AM stations inside our building. That isn’t a big surprise. The building is metal, and there really aren’t any powerful AM’s in the area. I can get a couple with my Super Radio, but they really aren’t listenable. It would probably be OK with an outdoor long-wire antenna.

The real disappointment to me is the lack of HD reception on FM. There are only two stations that I was expecting to get. One is KDAQ in Shreveport, (60+ miles) which is an NPR station. It come in OK on a car radio but isn’t all that easy to get on most indoor radios without an outside antenna. I can only get analog reception from it on the HDT-1, no HD. It is a bit noisy in analog, even connected to the outside antenna. The other station is KLJT, which is in the Tyler-Longview market. The receiver has no problem with the analog signal. It sounds fine, but there is no HD. Maybe they have it switched off? I guess I can call them Monday and ask.

The tuner does show RDS, which is a nice feature. The display is large and easy to read. I’ve always wanted to know if our RDS is actually working, without having to get in my car. I’m guessing that checking RDS is how I’ll be using the tuner for the foreseeable future.

One other note, it is not suitable as an off air monitor, even for an analog station. At least, it would not be good as far as talent is concerned. The tuner has a very noticeable delay, in the range of about ½ second. It’s enough to suck your ears out through your nose, and make even the most hardened professional develop a speech impediment.

If none of these problems are a concern, then I say buy this tuner. I give it one thumb up. It’s not bad, but I think the public will demand better if this turkey is going to fly.
 
Chuck said:
In some long ago and far away post, I threatened to buy a Sangean HDT-1 on my next trip to Dallas. The deed is done. The place of purchase was Fry’s on Northwest Highway. My seemingly simple task turned out to be quite an experience.

The last time I was there, they had three HD radios on display. That had been reduced to just two this time, but they had moved them to a slightly more visible location. On display were the Sangean table radio, and the BA Receptor. The BA was still deaf as a post, receiving only a couple of stations inside the building. The Sangean table radio worked, but the whip antenna was not extended. After messing with the antenna for a minute, it came to life, and actually worked reasonably well.

Unfortunately, neither of these radios was what I’d come in to purchase. With the help of a clueless but friendly clerk, we went on a search for the tuner version. It was eventually discovered on the bottom shelf in the home satellite radio receiver section. Unfortunately there were none in a box, just the incomplete display version. The clerk consulted their computer, which said they had 6 in stock. She spent the next 15 minutes finding the elusive radios. Total elapsed time, not counting actually paying for the radio was about 30-40 minutes. I nearly gave up.

I now have the radio at our studios, where I put it in the control room temporarily in place of our Inovonics modulation monitor. This allowed me to feed our control room speakers, which for better or worse, I’m quite familiar with. It is connected to a 6 element Yagi which also shares duty with our EAS receiver which gets NWS from Shreveport, LA which is about 60 miles away. The antenna is pointed toward Shreveport, but it does an OK job of receiving our two other EAS monitoring stations as well as most local stations on the Inovonics modulation monitor.

The Sangean tuner is simple to figure out, with large and easy to comprehend buttons. It feels a little flimsy, but what do you expect? It is made I China, and looks like it. At least, there are no wall warts. It even has a small wireless remote control.

As for performance, it’s a bit disappointing. It is a good radio, but it does not seem like an outstanding radio. For “outstanding” performance, I think you’ll still need something like a Fanfare FT-1. Of course the Fanfare tuners cost a lot more, so that probably isn’t a fair comparison. It is a definite step up from a GE Super Radio, which is still one of the best buys in radio, if mono is OK for your application.

With the included loop antenna, I am unable to receive any AM stations inside our building. That isn’t a big surprise. The building is metal, and there really aren’t any powerful AM’s in the area. I can get a couple with my Super Radio, but they really aren’t listenable. It would probably be OK with an outdoor long-wire antenna.

The real disappointment to me is the lack of HD reception on FM. There are only two stations that I was expecting to get. One is KDAQ in Shreveport, (60+ miles) which is an NPR station. It come in OK on a car radio but isn’t all that easy to get on most indoor radios without an outside antenna. I can only get analog reception from it on the HDT-1, no HD. It is a bit noisy in analog, even connected to the outside antenna. The other station is KLJT, which is in the Tyler-Longview market. The receiver has no problem with the analog signal. It sounds fine, but there is no HD. Maybe they have it switched off? I guess I can call them Monday and ask.

The tuner does show RDS, which is a nice feature. The display is large and easy to read. I’ve always wanted to know if our RDS is actually working, without having to get in my car. I’m guessing that checking RDS is how I’ll be using the tuner for the foreseeable future.

One other note, it is not suitable as an off air monitor, even for an analog station. At least, it would not be good as far as talent is concerned. The tuner has a very noticeable delay, in the range of about ½ second. It’s enough to suck your ears out through your nose, and make even the most hardened professional develop a speech impediment.

If none of these problems are a concern, then I say buy this tuner. I give it one thumb up. It’s not bad, but I think the public will demand better if this turkey is going to fly.

Chuck,

Kudos on an honest and fair review of the Sangean without bias...

Here is another unbiased review and gives you a view on the Sangean's interior and electronics.. and the quality of the unit.

http://users.tns.net/~bb/hdt-1.htm

Radiopilot
 
radiopilot said:
Chuck,

Kudos on an honest and fair review of the Sangean without bias...

Here is another unbiased review and gives you a view on the Sangean's interior and electronics.. and the quality of the unit.

http://users.tns.net/~bb/hdt-1.htm

Radiopilot

Radiopilot, you have been outed long ago as an irrational HD Radio antagonist. Nothing in your posts, including links, is likely to be considered "unbiased" by any regular reader of this board. Let it rest dude.
 
Actually, the review on that link is pretty honest and includes decent pictures of the inside of the beast. In what was probably a "warranty voiding moment," I popped the cover off the tuner. There are only six screws. I can confirm that the unit I have looks just like the one shown in the link. The 1" square DSP chip seems to be from TI, and the rest of the components seem to be from more or less reliable sources. The PC boards are certainly no less quality than most consumer/prosumer electronics.

One other small disappointment is the lack of rack mounting hardware. I guess I was wrong (that's never happened), but I had the impression that it came with rack ears. Maybe they are an accessory. It fits nicely on a rack shelf, but it would be handy to just have some bolt on ears. I guess they figure that not many consumers would use them.

It is not a bad radio. Even so, I think I'll keep my old 1970's Marantz 120 tuner. It's the one with the little oscilloscope on the front, and the reassuring blue slide rule dial. If you drop it on your foot, you will probably be sporting a cast for the next 6-10 weeks. The Sangean is light enough to bounce. I guess that is progress. :eek:
 
Here is the latest update. I took the radio to the house and connected it up to my TV antenna. It is a 20 element Yagi which feeds a Winegard 20 db (variable) distribution amp. The antenna is a bit more than 30 feet off the ground and pointed at Shreveport, LA. With this set up, the tuner works fine on KDAQ, Shreveport. The HD signal sounds quite nice. The most impressive thing about it is the silence. The signal to noise is excellent.

The down side is so far they are the only HD station I can receive, although there is a Clear Channel cluster in Shreveport. Evidentially, they are not HD, and may even be on the auction block, since CC is cleaning house. KDAQ does not have any HD-2 working at this time. I'm sure that will change, and I'll look forward to it. Meanwhile I can get KDAQ quite well on several analog radios, including a non-HD BA receptor that sits on my bed-side table. The antenna is the factory provided “rat tail” which hangs off the back of the table.

The programming is exactly the same, regardless of the radio chosen. Mostly, it’s NPR talk radio with some music. Don't get me wrong, I like NPR shows like "Car Talk," "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me," and "Prairie Home Companion," but the addition of HD does very little to enhance them.

I know that in large cities there may be 20 new channels to listen to. That's great, but for the rest of us, it's nothing to get excited over. At least, not yet.

That said, the Sangean tuner is a decent piece of equipment that is worth the price.
 
To the contrary Chuck, IMHO (your mileage may vary...obviously) A Prarie Home Companion is THRILLING in HD. It's always been a beautifully engineered show, with a vivid stereo soundstage. Now we can hear how good it is. LISTEN THROUGH HEADPHONES, DUDE!
 
Thanks Chuck, for giving the tuner a second chance. The antenna makes a lot of difference. I'm glad that you at least said that the HDT-1 was worth the money. I think that 199.99 is an exceptional value. The last high quality tuner I purchased was $ 400.00. Yes I do think the HDT-1 is an exceptional value. I compared it to the others I own and none can match the sensitivity or selectivity.

I hope that you continue to test it. I wish you had more hd2 and hd3 streams. Living in central Pennsylvania I swing the antenna east to get Philly (60 miles) or south to get Baltimore and DC (80-100 Miles). We are loaded with hd stations. The Sangean grabs them all and delivers the most quiet FM I have ever heard. The greatest benefit is the various formats. For all of the negative people out there, they won't know what they missed until hd becomes the standard on every radio. Then they will wish they jumped on the band wagon back in 2006 or 2007.
 
Mike Walker said:
To the contrary Chuck, IMHO (your mileage may vary...obviously) A Prarie Home Companion is THRILLING in HD. It's always been a beautifully engineered show, with a vivid stereo soundstage. Now we can hear how good it is. LISTEN THROUGH HEADPHONES, DUDE!

I'm one of those people who listens to the radio while I'm doing something else. I think most people are. I'm sure wearing headphones while listening is a very good experience. I won't knock it, but I'm usually doing two or there things simultaneously. Multitasking is a way of life. Being tethered to a set of cans is unlikely to be on the agenda. Maybe I need to slow down a bit....
 
Chuck said:
Mike Walker said:
To the contrary Chuck, IMHO (your mileage may vary...obviously) A Prarie Home Companion is THRILLING in HD. It's always been a beautifully engineered show, with a vivid stereo soundstage. Now we can hear how good it is. LISTEN THROUGH HEADPHONES, DUDE!

I'm one of those people who listens to the radio while I'm doing something else. I think most people are. I'm sure wearing headphones while listening is a very good experience. I won't knock it, but I'm usually doing two or there things simultaneously. Multitasking is a way of life. Being tethered to a set of cans is unlikely to be on the agenda. Maybe I need to slow down a bit....

I think the Sangean's now come with rack ears, BTW.

I have a Sangean, and think it's a very nice radio. It's not a high-end box by any means, but it has very good sensitivity/selectivity, and the supplied antenna works well.

The gripe I have is that the audio output is a bit hot. I had to pad the output so that it didn't overload my amp.

Otherwise, a very decent radio!
 
SignalSeeker said:
Thanks Chuck, for giving the tuner a second chance. The antenna makes a lot of difference. I'm glad that you at least said that the HDT-1 was worth the money. I think that 199.99 is an exceptional value. The last high quality tuner I purchased was $ 400.00. Yes I do think the HDT-1 is an exceptional value. I compared it to the others I own and none can match the sensitivity or selectivity.

This is a very good review of this tuner.... but be ready for a shock when you see what you paid for... for comparison open the cover to your last high quality tuner to see the differences.

http://users.tns.net/~bb/hdt-1.htm

Radiopilot
 
radiopilot said:
SignalSeeker said:
Thanks Chuck, for giving the tuner a second chance. The antenna makes a lot of difference. I'm glad that you at least said that the HDT-1 was worth the money. I think that 199.99 is an exceptional value. The last high quality tuner I purchased was $ 400.00. Yes I do think the HDT-1 is an exceptional value. I compared it to the others I own and none can match the sensitivity or selectivity.

This is a very good review of this tuner.... but be ready for a shock when you see what you paid for... for comparison open the cover to your last high quality tuner to see the differences.

http://users.tns.net/~bb/hdt-1.htm

Radiopilot


What didfference does it make how many parts are included inside a component. You're paying for technology development, not for numbers of resistors. Would it matter if they created a breadboard which weighed 60 pounds, and had miles of wiring? Look inside a walkman. Mine is a good one and ran about 150$ or so. It's a Sony, no baloney and weighs less then the Sangean. I mean if you-re going to come up with an argument make it a valid one. the Sangean is an incredibly good radio and that is all that matters.
 
R.F. Burns said:
radiopilot said:
SignalSeeker said:
Thanks Chuck, for giving the tuner a second chance. The antenna makes a lot of difference. I'm glad that you at least said that the HDT-1 was worth the money. I think that 199.99 is an exceptional value. The last high quality tuner I purchased was $ 400.00. Yes I do think the HDT-1 is an exceptional value. I compared it to the others I own and none can match the sensitivity or selectivity.

This is a very good review of this tuner.... but be ready for a shock when you see what you paid for... for comparison open the cover to your last high quality tuner to see the differences.

http://users.tns.net/~bb/hdt-1.htm

Radiopilot


What didfference does it make how many parts are included inside a component. You're paying for technology development, not for numbers of resistors. Would it matter if they created a breadboard which weighed 60 pounds, and had miles of wiring? Look inside a walkman. Mine is a good one and ran about 150$ or so. It's a Sony, no baloney and weighs less then the Sangean. I mean if you-re going to come up with an argument make it a valid one. the Sangean is an incredibly good radio and that is all that matters.

Paying for technology development? What a 'license' for Ibiquity? Imagine if the founder of FM stereo decided he wanted 1/2 the cost of the radio for his royalty or if Dolby also wanted 1/2 the cost of the tuners and receivers as royalty? Do you think radio manufacturers would have adopted such a scheme?

It's no wonder the major home electronics brands did not fall victim to this... What... are the only manufacturers going to be Sangean, Boston Acoustics, and Accurian? If so... I don't see America falling for this, as those brands are NOT the major recognized known to the general public at least here in the U.S., therefore does anyone agree that sales aren’t going to be as rosy as NAB predicts? At least that’s what I read on RadioMagazine of which as a subscriber I’ve been following HD’s rollout.

Can’t comment on your Walkman, but I bet it’s components and level of engineering FAR outweighs the Sangean… The quality of Sangean is up to the quality of the person buying such products…

Radiopilot
 
radiopilot said:
R.F. Burns said:
radiopilot said:
SignalSeeker said:
Thanks Chuck, for giving the tuner a second chance. The antenna makes a lot of difference. I'm glad that you at least said that the HDT-1 was worth the money. I think that 199.99 is an exceptional value. The last high quality tuner I purchased was $ 400.00. Yes I do think the HDT-1 is an exceptional value. I compared it to the others I own and none can match the sensitivity or selectivity.

This is a very good review of this tuner.... but be ready for a shock when you see what you paid for... for comparison open the cover to your last high quality tuner to see the differences.

http://users.tns.net/~bb/hdt-1.htm

Radiopilot


What didfference does it make how many parts are included inside a component. You're paying for technology development, not for numbers of resistors. Would it matter if they created a breadboard which weighed 60 pounds, and had miles of wiring? Look inside a walkman. Mine is a good one and ran about 150$ or so. It's a Sony, no baloney and weighs less then the Sangean. I mean if you-re going to come up with an argument make it a valid one. the Sangean is an incredibly good radio and that is all that matters.

Paying for technology development? What a 'license' for Ibiquity? Imagine if the founder of FM stereo decided he wanted 1/2 the cost of the radio for his royalty or if Dolby also wanted 1/2 the cost of the tuners and receivers as royalty? Do you think radio manufacturers would have adopted such a scheme?

It's no wonder the major home electronics brands did not fall victim to this... What... are the only manufacturers going to be Sangean, Boston Acoustics, and Accurian? If so... I don't see America falling for this, as those brands are NOT the major recognized known to the general public at least here in the U.S., therefore does anyone agree that sales aren’t going to be as rosy as NAB predicts? At least that’s what I read on RadioMagazine of which as a subscriber I’ve been following HD’s rollout.

Can’t comment on your Walkman, but I bet it’s components and level of engineering FAR outweighs the Sangean… The quality of Sangean is up to the quality of the person buying such products…

Radiopilot

Let's see, my first CD player was a Yamaha CD-2 which cost 700 dollars and played CD's and not much more. No oversampling, no digital output but it played CD's. by the way, that ws one of the less expensive players. the Nakamichie's ran well over 1,000 dollars. . My first computer had 4 meg of ram (100 dollars for four meg) and a 2400 baud modem, a 5400 modem ran over 500$. HD radio is no different than any other technology but if one sees the devil behind every corner you'll never change their minds with facts.
 
R.F. Burns said:
Let's see, my first CD player was a Yamaha CD-2 which cost 700 dollars and played CD's and not much more. No oversampling, no digital output but it played CD's. by the way, that ws one of the less expensive players. the Nakamichie's ran well over 1,000 dollars. . My first computer had 4 meg of ram (100 dollars for four meg) and a 2400 baud modem, a 5400 modem ran over 500$. HD radio is no different than any other technology but if one sees the devil behind every corner you'll never change their minds with facts.


This article sums it best, of course it's dated Oct. 2006, but otherwise pertinant to the issue:

http://www.hometheatermag.com/news/100406hdradio/

Courtesy quote from the above:

"IBiquity Digital says that there will be over 21 HD Radio-equipped models available from 14 brands by November."

Over 21 HD radio-equipped models by 14 brands as of November of 2006? Where are they? As April of 2007 I don't see the several dozen or so major home electronics manufacturers taking the bait, of course We are talking about 'home' electronics and not HD tuners made for cars...

Looks to me like the manufacturers ARE taking note and saying this is something they don't want a repeat of as they did with AM stereo, FM Quad 4CH, etc.

Yeah I have a JVC VideoMovie VHS recorder I also bought for $1500.00 back in 1988, but there were countless other models on the market, HD radio is just offering 'three' home tuners to the buying public, where are the variety and HIGH quality HD tuners as expected to get the true FM enthusiast motivated into buying these products and toss or otherwise mothball their REAL high quality tuners?


Radiopilot
 
radiopilot said:
R.F. Burns said:
Let's see, my first CD player was a Yamaha CD-2 which cost 700 dollars and played CD's and not much more. No oversampling, no digital output but it played CD's. by the way, that ws one of the less expensive players. the Nakamichie's ran well over 1,000 dollars. . My first computer had 4 meg of ram (100 dollars for four meg) and a 2400 baud modem, a 5400 modem ran over 500$. HD radio is no different than any other technology but if one sees the devil behind every corner you'll never change their minds with facts.


This article sums it best, of course it's dated Oct. 2006, but otherwise pertinant to the issue:

http://www.hometheatermag.com/news/100406hdradio/

Courtesy quote from the above:

"IBiquity Digital says that there will be over 21 HD Radio-equipped models available from 14 brands by November."

Over 21 HD radio-equipped models by 14 brands as of November of 2006? Where are they? As April of 2007 I don't see the several dozen or so major home electronics manufacturers taking the bait, of course We are talking about 'home' electronics and not HD tuners made for cars...

Looks to me like the manufacturers ARE taking note and saying this is something they don't want a repeat of as they did with AM stereo, FM Quad 4CH, etc.

Yeah I have a JVC VideoMovie VHS recorder I also bought for $1500.00 back in 1988, but there were countless other models on the market, HD radio is just offering 'three' home tuners to the buying public, where are the variety and HIGH quality HD tuners as expected to get the true FM enthusiast motivated into buying these products and toss or otherwise mothball their REAL high quality tuners?


Radiopilot


And IBOC technology has only been out of experimental status for what, 2 weeks? Give me a break will you please?
 
radiopilot said:
Paying for technology development? What a 'license' for Ibiquity? Imagine if the founder of FM stereo decided he wanted 1/2 the cost of the radio for his royalty or if Dolby also wanted 1/2 the cost of the tuners and receivers as royalty? Do you think radio manufacturers would have adopted such a scheme?

It's no wonder the major home electronics brands did not fall victim to this... What... are the only manufacturers going to be Sangean, Boston Acoustics, and Accurian? If so... I don't see America falling for this, as those brands are NOT the major recognized known to the general public at least here in the U.S., therefore does anyone agree that sales aren’t going to be as rosy as NAB predicts? At least that’s what I read on RadioMagazine of which as a subscriber I’ve been following HD’s rollout.

Can’t comment on your Walkman, but I bet it’s components and level of engineering FAR outweighs the Sangean… The quality of Sangean is up to the quality of the person buying such products…

Radiopilot

Or what if the company who invented CD's forced manufacturers to license the technology from them?

Oh wait, they did. So did the company that invented the MP3 codec, as well as Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. *GASP*!!

The quality of the Sangean seems to be much higher than that of the people criticizing it.

While I hate to let the truth get in the way of a good anti-HD rant - for your information, Polk audio makes a radio, as does Emerson, Kenwood, Visteon, and others.
 
My HDT-1 arrived today and I have put it through it's paces.

Nice box but I wish I hadn't seen the review that showed what was inside. I tell people that I bought a box of air! I mean someone can tell you the board is small but you have to see it to believe it.

The software version is 1.3f and the date is something like 061227 which I assume is December 27, 2006.

During an HD scan it got into a funky motorboat noise, turning it off/on cleared it. Not sure if I did this or what, might have pressed too many buttons or something?

I don't think this is the answer for AM stations. It seems to take a strong noise free signal to get a good HD lock. FM is more forgiving, I took the tuner to work along with some computer speakers and I'm hearing more of the FM HD stations than I thought I would. Still it takes a strong signal to get a good lock. HD is not a technology suited for areas with weak signals.

IF the stations do unique content HD could have a future. Two of the Clear Channel stations (all the Clear Channel stations where I live have HD and HD2) have really unique formats. One is "Classic Country" playing songs I haven't heard in a long time. The other station has an HD2 with Comedy tracks. This is good, this is different!

Most people still don't know anything about it though. Some have asked me if it requires a subscription. I like HD but I think it needs more work before the masses will buy. The HD takes too long to lock and you need a good antenna. If you have that it works allot better!

I'm waiting for a Smooth Jazz station. I like HD Radio but I don't think it can compete with Satellite Radio if you do allot of traveling and don't mind another monthly bill.

Mike
 
I can't believe that someone is knocking Sangean by saying when you buy it, you're not paying for a well engineered receiver, you're just paying iBiquity. Yes, a significant portion of the pricetag most indeed goes to iBiquity. Some also goes toward fees related to Underwriters Laboratories testing and acceptance, and another few percent here and there probably gets shaved off for a few other vendors along the way. Nevertheless, the receiver works very well. I've owned many communications receivers, scanners, shortwave radios, AM/FM tabletops, stereos, handhelds/Walkmans, portables, etc. over the years and I know a receiver with good sensitivity and selectivity when I use it. Whether this is a by-product of iBiquity's research, Sangean's research, or some fly-by-night company in the middle of China does not diminish the receiver's abilities. I said in another post that if the FCC killed off HD Radio on AM tomorrow, I would still be happy with the AM reception ability of this receiver, which rivals my circa-1982 Panasonic RF-2600, and blows away my Sangean ATS-909 receiver.

Just because you can't "see" the "engineering" that went into the receiver does not mean there isn't a great deal of engineering and manufacturing inside. I can only assume someone would say such a thing because they cannot "see" the millions of traces and transistors inside embedded processors, as opposed to a couple thousand surface-mount components jammed onto a circuit board from the 1980's. Yes, a Walkman was an engineering masterpiece -- in its day. I still have a Walkman WM-F11 which is an FM-Stereo/AM-Stereo/Cassette handheld. The switches/buttons are shot, and for whatever reason it no longer gets "stereo" on FM, only AM. Today, I can buy an MP3 player with FM radio the size of a pack of gum, and with hardly any moving parts, and unless I accidentaly leave it in a pocket to run through the washer and dryer, could easily last 27 years like the Walkman. It doesn't look like much. I can't physically see the engineering inside. It probably cost $3 to manufacture. But, I know the engineering is in there, and if the engineering were transplanted back in time to the Walkman days, it would strike awe worldwide.

I think it's actually pretty awesome that the Sangean HDR-1 (yes I opened mine already) is about 90% empty by volume. The guts of this receiver is hardly larger than the old Walkman WM-F11 case. Oh sure it would draw a lot more power, but these primitive chipsets will give way to power-efficient implementations (they always do in every type of device), and that is beside the point, anyway.
 
HD radio is just offering 'three' home tuners to the buying public, where are the variety and HIGH quality HD tuners as expected to get the true FM enthusiast motivated into buying these products and toss or otherwise mothball their REAL high quality tuners?


A lot of you negative people just don't get it. What Sangean did was break the barrier. They put a high quality tuner, with a very good front end in a plastic case. They added HD to the tuner and it sounds great. They took all of those board mounted components and incorporated the circuitry in a really sensitive IC and it works great. Why is it so hard to believe that good circuitry can not be engineered into an integrated circuit?

The analog FM is great on this tuner. It does the two most important things. Good sensitivity, and excellent selectivity. Sorry if they are not filling the cabinet with components, but it works, and works well. I know because I purchased one a couple months ago and I get analog stations 60 and 100 miles away. I do a direct comparison with my best tuners, and the Sangean equals them in sensitivity. Who cares what the inside of the box looks like, it works well!

As for HD, I guess ibiquity is responsible for this. They took that signal and decoded a digital signal from it. Digital is simple. You either get it or you don't. Just like your CD player. If the ones and zeros are presented they are played. I payed over $400.00 for my first CD player, a couple months later they were selling them for $ 200.00. Now they are combined with a DVD player and you can pick one up for $ 29.00. Now, Audiophiles will tell you that their Marble based, vibration resistant, 19 times over sampled CD player that cost $ 900.00 is a better machine. The fact is that in double blind tests, audiophile ears could not tell the difference between the $ 900.00, sixty pound table weight or the $ 29.00 Sanyo.

My point is digital is digital, and if the signal is present and following the rules set up by the inventer. The signal produced will be a mirror image of the original, or the intended. Its digital!

To prove that Sangean is following the rules, check it in this report saying that the Sangean tuner is being used for reference work, because it meets the Ibiquity standard.

http://www.rwonline.com/pages/s.0049/t.4029.html
 
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