"Sangean Improves Upon Current HD Radio Tuner"

[PocketRadio]

"Sangean Improves Upon Current HD Radio Tuner"

"Based on customer feedback, Sangean created the HDT-1X with new features such... lock-in an analog signal in fringe coverage areas."

http://www.dealerscope.com/story/st...category=Consumer Electronics&section=Unknown

Here we go, again - wow, this "customer feedback" was from a handful of radio-geeks on a message board, after being prodded by a Sangean representative. What a smart feature, to be able to lock in analog-mode, in HD/IBOC fringe areas, so there is not constant switching between HD/IBOC and analog.

 

[clouseau]

Hey Look!! Pocketradio got his comments posted on a blog!!

"Sangean Improves Upon Current HD Radio Tuner"

"Based on customer feedback, Sangean created the HDT-1X with new features such... lock-in an analog signal in fringe coverage areas."

http://www.dealerscope.com/story/st...category=Consumer Electronics&section=Unknown

Here we go, again - wow, this "customer feedback" was from a handful of radio-geeks on a message board, after being prodded by a Sangean representative. What a smart feature, to be able to lock in analog-mode, in HD/IBOC fringe areas, so there is not constant switching between HD/IBOC and analog.

More linking to your own "material" elsewhere, eh?

Wonder what people think when they read your "stuff" for the first time?

Clouseau.

 

[SignalSeeker]

Hey Pocketradio,

Sangean has sold a lot of HDT-1 tuners. Not a couple. When a company takes the time to re-tool an existing product to satisfy even one customer. I for one will remain loyal to that company. That's what good business is all about. Go for it Sangean, I can't wait to buy my second product from you. When you come up with a portable I will buy my third.

 

[stevenNOLA]

Hey Pocketradio,

Sangean has sold a lot of HDT-1 tuners. Not a couple. When a company takes the time to re-tool an existing product to satisfy even one customer. I for one will remain loyal to that company. That's what good business is all about. Go for it Sangean, I can't wait to buy my second product from you. When you come up with a portable I will buy my third.

Who is your vendor of choice? I want one for the living room.

 

[R.F. Burns]

Hey Pocketradio,

Sangean has sold a lot of HDT-1 tuners. Not a couple. When a company takes the time to re-tool an existing product to satisfy even one customer. I for one will remain loyal to that company. That's what good business is all about. Go for it Sangean, I can't wait to buy my second product from you. When you come up with a portable I will buy my third.

Who is your vendor of choice? I want one for the living room.

I bought my HDT-1 from J&R last December and am awaiting my X version hopefull in a week or so. The HDT-1 an outstanding tuner in my opinion and I'd highly recomend it. You should know that while they are producing an X version which is a response to users requests, Sangean is working on a return program for their HDT-1 tuners to correct the clock issue and the high line out level issue. Sangean is doing this on their own. I believe the fixes will be done for free. I wish all companies were as consumer friendly as Sangean is.

 

[PocketRadio]

Hey Pocketradio,

Sangean has sold a lot of HDT-1 tuners. Not a couple. When a company takes the time to re-tool an existing product to satisfy even one customer. I for one will remain loyal to that company. That's what good business is all about. Go for it Sangean, I can't wait to buy my second product from you. When you come up with a portable I will buy my third.

Hey SignalSeeker,

That's good news for Sangean - they keep putting out defective HD radios, which forces the handful of radio-geeks to keep buying the latest HD radios. Will this latest Sangean have conditional access - if not, you can buy your fourth HD radio, then pay subscription fees for HD channel access to hear more lousy, censored terrestrial radio (your local little-league baseball games and undiscovered American Idol talent).

 

[SignalSeeker]

I bought my HDT-1 from JR music in New York City. They have a good price. Do a google search for the Sangean HDT-1 and you will find a ton of retailers.

As for the HDT-1X I think that the first people able to buy ones are the people that have been participating on the AVS board. Go to the AVS forum, sign in and you will see posts guiding you towards Sangeans web site. I think its a back door way into Sangean to make sure that the radio forum contributers get first shot, before it is sold to the general public.

 

[PocketRadio]

I think its a back door way into Sangean to make sure that the radio forum contributers get first shot, before it is sold to the general public.

But, the general public is totally apathetic towards HD Radio - Sangean is wasting time and money. And, Sony will make a fool of themselves, when their ugly, retro table-top HD radio does not sell, either. The more I read, especially on other boards, the more I realize that HD Radio will be a failure - there are major reception issues with table-top and in-dash HD, as I have seen some people just give up.

 

[stevenNOLA]

I bought my HDT-1 from JR music in New York City. They have a good price. Do a google search for the Sangean HDT-1 and you will find a ton of retailers.

As for the HDT-1X I think that the first people able to buy ones are the people that have been participating on the AVS board. Go to the AVS forum, sign in and you will see posts guiding you towards Sangeans web site. I think its a back door way into Sangean to make sure that the radio forum contributers get first shot, before it is sold to the general public.

I buy tons of stuff online and know of alot of good discount online retailers but since there are literally millions of online retailers, there is a good chance I may have overlooked a good one. I'll look up JR Music. Thanks

 

[Mike Walker]

Keep saying Sangean's HD tuners are "defective", without a shread of evidence to back it up. I'm telling Master Thesus at Sangean about your posting that publically. Would I LOVE to see a lawsuit!

Words have meaning. Define the "defect"! Merely being what it claims to be, a radio capable of receiving digital audio on FM and AM (called "HD", IBOC, or whatever) doesn't exactly qualify! This tuner is EXACTLY what it claims to be, and performs EXACTLY AS CLAIMED! If you can't prove otherwise, you're on pretty damn shaky ground. You're no longer blindly striking out at a technology, but at a SPECIFIC PRODUCT, from a SPECIFIC MANUFACTURER, making a claim that it is "DEFECTIVE". I'm no lawyer, but that seems pretty clearly a "put up or shut up" case to me, should anyone care to persue it. Of course, that is if the claim was made by someone ANYONE, ANYWHERE would take seriously!

 

[radiopilot]

Keep saying Sangean's HD tuners are "defective", without a shread of evidence to back it up. I'm telling Master Thesus at Sangean about your posting that publically. Would I LOVE to see a lawsuit!

Words have meaning. Define the "defect"! Merely being what it claims to be, a radio capable of receiving digital audio on FM and AM (called "HD", IBOC, or whatever) doesn't exactly qualify! This tuner is EXACTLY what it claims to be, and performs EXACTLY AS CLAIMED! If you can't prove otherwise, you're on pretty damn shaky ground. You're no longer blindly striking out at a technology, but at a SPECIFIC PRODUCT, from a SPECIFIC MANUFACTURER, making a claim that it is "DEFECTIVE". I'm no lawyer, but that seems pretty clearly a "put up or shut up" case to me, should anyone care to persue it. Of course, that is if the claim was made by someone ANYONE, ANYWHERE would take seriously!

There are plenty of users that say Sangean's HDT-1 are defective which is WHY the HDT-1X is being made. Duhh...

Radiopilot

 

[Mike Walker]

State the nature of the "defect". Specifically, what does Sangean claim the tuner does that it does not.

Chevrolet will no doubt introduce a 2008 Impala this fall. Does that mean the 2007 model was "defective"?

 

[PhilJSmith67]

Yeah, c'mon here. In the entire history of TVs, radios, cameras, computers, mobile phones, shavers, extension ladders, medical x-ray machines, etc., there have always been "spinoff models" that often varied by just one digit in the model number, for which new models may or may not have added features but have also addressed (mis)design issues or annoyances in prior models.

I bought a Blaupunkt Alaska AM/FM/CD player in 1998, and bought the "upgrade" Alaska-II a couple years later which added a few features while addressing some annoyances in the prior model. Both receivers performed up to spec. I had no complaints with Blaupunkt for releasing the upgrade. If the equipment performs to its own specifications, it's not defective.

 

[SUPERCASTER]

State the nature of the "defect". Specifically, what does Sangean claim the tuner does that it does not.

Chevrolet will no doubt introduce a 2008 Impala this fall. Does that mean the 2007 model was "defective"?

If the HDT-1 or 2007 Chevy was recalled for not meeting standards, manufacturers claims, needed modification for proper operation, or had safety issues it would be defective. It seems the HDT-1 radios might need to be shipped to the factory for mods. This might be considered a recall to correct factory defects. If the radio (or the 2007 Chevy) has factory defects, then it is defective.

The problem with HD radio is that the whole IBOC system is defective, does not meet claims, and causes interference to licensed analog AM/FM facilities and radios. Therefore it is not compatible as was represented, and therefore the entire system is defective.

 

[PhilJSmith67]

The problem with HD radio is that the whole IBOC system is defective, does not meet claims, and causes interference to licensed analog AM/FM facilities and radios. Therefore it is not compatible as was represented, and therefore the entire system is defective.

This should not be a difficult concept to grasp. Sangean isn't releasing a new receiver to eliminate these alleged defects in the design of the HD Radio transmission or reception system. The original receiver is performing up to specifications.

But, to entertain an analogy... Is Chevrolet required to replace your 2007 Impala because you are not getting 24mpg city/29mpg highway? You say you're only getting 22mpg? Perhaps gas combustion technology is defective. And, since the Impala runs on gasoline, then the Impala must of course be classified as defective. Wow. Perhaps this is the real reason GM will manufacture a 2008 model.

 

[SUPERCASTER]

The problem with HD radio is that the whole IBOC system is defective, does not meet claims, and causes interference to licensed analog AM/FM facilities and radios. Therefore it is not compatible as was represented, and therefore the entire system is defective.

This should not be a difficult concept to grasp. Sangean isn't releasing a new receiver to eliminate these alleged defects in the design of the HD Radio transmission or reception system. The original receiver is performing up to specifications.

But, to entertain an analogy... Is Chevrolet required to replace your 2007 Impala because you are not getting 24mpg city/29mpg highway? You say you're only getting 22mpg? Perhaps gas combustion technology is defective. And, since the Impala runs on gasoline, then the Impala must of course be classified as defective. Wow. Perhaps this is the real reason GM will manufacture a 2008 model.

Your posting about Sangean and Chevy have nothing whatever to do with what you quoted.
To quote you:

This should not be a difficult concept to grasp.

 

[PhilJSmith67]

State the nature of the "defect". Specifically, what does Sangean claim the tuner does that it does not.

Chevrolet will no doubt introduce a 2008 Impala this fall. Does that mean the 2007 model was "defective"?

If the HDT-1 or 2007 Chevy was recalled for not meeting standards, manufacturers claims, needed modification for proper operation, or had safety issues it would be defective. It seems the HDT-1 radios might need to be shipped to the factory for mods. This might be considered a recall to correct factory defects. If the radio (or the 2007 Chevy) has factory defects, then it is defective.

The problem with HD radio is that the whole IBOC system is defective, does not meet claims, and causes interference to licensed analog AM/FM facilities and radios. Therefore it is not compatible as was represented, and therefore the entire system is defective.

I'll restore context by including not only your post, but the post you replied to.

You responded to Mike's comment to supply the nature of the defect with Sangean's HDT-1 receiver, which is the topic of this entire thread.

I am stating that, regardless of claims that HD Radio is a defective technology, the Sangean receiver is not defective because it performs up to its published specifications. By today's standards, many people would argue that AM Radio (analog or digital) is "defective" but that does not automatically imply that all receivers capable of tuning the AM band are defective.

 

[PocketRadio]

I am stating that, regardless of claims that HD Radio is a defective technology, the Sangean receiver is not defective because it performs up to its published specifications.

Sangean HDT-1 HD Radio Component Tuner

Douglas W. Conmy (Nashua, NH United States):

"I had a couple of problems with the product, one which made it unusable for my use and I returned the unit. The first, fatal problem is that the power supply has a low frequency hum. I purchased the tuner for a home office, and will sometimes work without any music. I contacted the manufacturer hoping that it may have been a manufacturing problem, but they indicated that I should at least not hear the noise from "across the room". Even when the tuner is off, it draws power for its clock and continues to hum..."

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/cu...ort_by=+OverallRating&s=electronics&x=10&y=12

 

[R.F. Burns]

I am stating that, regardless of claims that HD Radio is a defective technology, the Sangean receiver is not defective because it performs up to its published specifications.

Sangean HDT-1 HD Radio Component Tuner

Douglas W. Conmy (Nashua, NH United States):

"I had a couple of problems with the product, one which made it unusable for my use and I returned the unit. The first, fatal problem is that the power supply has a low frequency hum. I purchased the tuner for a home office, and will sometimes work without any music. I contacted the manufacturer hoping that it may have been a manufacturing problem, but they indicated that I should at least not hear the noise from "across the room". Even when the tuner is off, it draws power for its clock and continues to hum..."

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/cu...ort_by=+OverallRating&s=electronics&x=10&y=12

Wow, you've really convinced me now. Some consumer has either a bad tuner or faulty cables. I say let's shut down the entire broadcast service until we discover what is wrong with his radio. C'mon, you have to do better then this. Why, when I bought my car I had to send it back a few times due to manufacturing defects. Funny, they wouldn't remove every other car on the road because of it and my pickets went nowhere.

 

[Mike Walker]

Anyone who's ever plugged component a into component b has eventually experienced hum caused by a ground loop. That doesn't signify a defect.

The "problem" Sangean is correcting is that the output of the tuner is "too hot". This 'defect', when mated with a properly designed amplifier (one which won't overload) actually results in a BETTER signal to noise ratio. The "fixed" tuner will have lower output, which means the amplifier will need to be turned up higher, which will result in more noise. Will this noise be audible? Probably not...but still in theory at least, the "defective" HDT-1 will result in superior noise performance compared to the "fixed" one.