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"Satellite in Trouble as HD Grows"

The article said satillite digital radio passed 11 million subscribers, and Sirius and XM cover the entire nation. HD Radio is not projected to have 11 million radios sold for many, many years, and are limited to city grade coverage.
So why are broadcasters ridiculing XM and Sirius?
 
SUPERCASTER said:
The article said satillite digital radio passed 11 million subscribers, and Sirius and XM cover the entire nation. HD Radio is not projected to have 11 million radios sold for many, many years, and are limited to city grade coverage.
So why are broadcasters ridiculing XM and Sirius?
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Because it took 5 years to get to 11 million, and ther are 1,000,000,000 radios out in America.
 
David wrote: "Because it took 5 years to get to 11 million, and ther are 1,000,000,000 radios out in America."

This is more reason, why HD Radio will fail - sales of analog radios (e.g., Amazom.com) far outpaces the sale of HD radios, and there is no way HD Radio will be able to antiquate that many analog radios. With terrestrial radio just being a pasttime activity (e.g., listening to/from work and errands), very few people are going to replace their analog radios with HD radios, if analog broadcasting is ever turn off - stations are in a pickle, because of the sheer number of analog radios that would have to be replaced with digital radios (plus, digital radios are way too expensive, and will never be as cheap as analog radios).
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
(plus, digital radios are way too expensive, and will never be as cheap as analog radios).
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Prove that they will never be as cheap. Of course you can't, so I guess it's another desparate rant. Say, could you give us another Amazon report?: We enjoy them so much around here!
 
"Prove that they will never be as cheap. Of course you can't, so I guess it's another desparate rant. Say, could you give us another Amazon report?: We enjoy them so much around here!"

The HD radios require a digital to analog processor/converter and there is no way they could ever be, as cheap as, analog radios - the public doesn't care enought about lousy AM/FM radio to buy digital receivers - analog AM/FM radios are very basic/simple to construct.
 
The I-BLOC digital radio must digitize the entire 10.7 MHz IF via A/D convertor, then feed that into DSP for decoding...

Going to expensive for a while on that one...
 
audiophile. said:
The I-BLOC digital radio must digitize the entire 10.7 MHz IF via A/D convertor, then feed that into DSP for decoding...

Going to expensive for a while on that one...
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I assume you mean IBOC, and DSP gets cheaper by the day. Look at satellite radios...you can get them for next to nothing nowadays.
 
Satellite Radio charges a monthly fee, but HD Radio gets their fees up-front from the outrageous prices of its HD radios.
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
Satellite Radio charges a monthly fee, but HD Radio gets their fees up-front from the outrageous prices of its HD radios.
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No, satellite gets perpetual fees, while HD radio get it once.

Pay $200 and listen free forever, or pay a minimum of $50 for a radio and then pay $12 a month FOREVER. Plus, the cost of radios are coming down, much like it did after Satellite radio came around.

Yeah, your logic is stunning.

Say No to monthly payments.
 
IBOCRocks said:
audiophile. said:
The I-BLOC digital radio must digitize the entire 10.7 MHz IF via A/D convertor, then feed that into DSP for decoding...

Going to expensive for a while on that one...
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I assume you mean IBOC, and DSP gets cheaper by the day. Look at satellite radios...you can get them for next to nothing nowadays.
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The satellite radios are heavily subsidized by XM and Sirius. Unless he HD station promoters plan to do the same, then the radios will remain at a premium over analog radios. There are just more components in them.

Although DSP is getting more affordable, a better analogy is the cost of memory for your computer. It used to be very expensive. Now it is relatively cheap when measured in processing power. You can buy a half-gigabyte for what 64 k used to cost. If you've shopped for any recently, you will notice that the price of a memory strip has bottomed out and been steady for a long time. You do get more memory for the same price, but the actual strip still costs about the same. Chipmakers tend to do things that way. They're into selling "units" not just procesing power. You may get more horsepower, but the individual manufactured unit still costs about the same.
 
The satellite radios are heavily subsidized by XM and Sirius. Unless he HD station promoters plan to do the same, then the radios will remain at a premium over analog radios. There are just more components in them.
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This is true. Look at the subscriber costs for XM and Sirus. Almost $100 ea. I'm sure most of that is for the radio subsidy...
 
IBOCRocks wrote: "No, satellite gets perpetual fees, while HD radio get it once.Pay $200 and listen free forever, or pay a minimum of $50 for a radio and then pay $12 a month FOREVER. Plus, the cost of radios are coming down, much like it did after Satellite radio came around.Yeah, your logic is stunning.Say No to monthly payments."

That is exactly, as I said - you are twisting words, just like Edurado. No, you pay $300 for an HD Radio and get to listen to garbage terrestrial radio, forever, At least with Satellite Radio, one gets a large variety, unlike just local channels, with HD Radio. I'de much rather spend $50 for a nice Satellite Radio boom-box, then pay $15/month, than pay iBiquity one-cent of my money for their outrageously priced HD radios. Clear Channel is already looking into advertising on the HD channels - with the hundreds of millions spent on HD Radio, so far, and with nothing to show for it, there will be no other choice - like everything else, it is bound to happen.
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
IBOCRocks wrote: "No, satellite gets perpetual fees, while HD radio get it once.Pay $200 and listen free forever, or pay a minimum of $50 for a radio and then pay $12 a month FOREVER. Plus, the cost of radios are coming down, much like it did after Satellite radio came around.Yeah, your logic is stunning.Say No to monthly payments."

That is exactly, as I said - you are twisting words, just like Edurado. No, you pay $300 for an HD Radio and get to listen to garbage terrestrial radio, forever, At least with Satellite Radio, one gets a large variety, unlike just local channels, with HD Radio. I'de much rather spend $50 for a nice Satellite Radio boom-box, then pay $15/month, than pay iBiquity one-cent of my money for their outrageously priced HD radios. Clear Channel is already looking into advertising on the HD channels - with the hundreds of millions spent on HD Radio, so far, and with nothing to show for it, there will be no other choice - like everything else, it is bound to happen.
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Wow! TWO OTHER PEOPLE show the flaws in your logic, and you STILL keep going.

You are an interesting fellow, to be sure. You still haven't answered the burning question:

If terrestrial radio is garbage, and satellite and streaming radio are certainly going to take off, why are you here fighing IBOC? Seems to me that you're doing just as we've thought - fighting for the sake of fighting. Says volumes about your character.

Or better yet, why are you not answering that question?
 
DavidEduardo said:
Because it took 5 years to get to 11 million, and ther are 1,000,000,000 radios out in America.
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Satellite radio is the fastest-growing technological advance since the introduction of radio itself. A very wise person told me this ... wait a minute.... are you the same David Eduardo ?

Small world!

You ARE the same Davee who maintains that the sale of 3 million IPods, 14 million satellite radios, hundreds of millions of MP3 downloads, and the complete collapse of CD sales ...

... has not diminished radio listenership one iota!

Aren't you?
 
zumahans said:
DavidEduardo said:
Because it took 5 years to get to 11 million, and ther are 1,000,000,000 radios out in America.
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Satellite radio is the fastest-growing technological advance since the introduction of radio itself. A very wise person told me this ... wait a minute.... are you the same David Eduardo ?

Small world!

You ARE the same Davee who maintains that the sale of 3 million IPods, 14 million satellite radios, hundreds of millions of MP3 downloads, and the complete collapse of CD sales ...

... has not diminished radio listenership one iota!

Aren't you?
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Hmmm...are you flamebaiting because you don't like David?

hmmm....
 
IBOCRocks said:
If terrestrial radio is garbage, and satellite and streaming radio are certainly going to take off, why are you here fighing IBOC? Seems to me that you're doing just as we've thought - fighting for the sake of fighting. Says volumes about your character.

Or better yet, why are you not answering that question?
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First, there are 14 million paid XM/Sirius accounts, so a lot more than two people are voting with their pocketbooks.

May I pose your question to you: if terrestial radio is so wonderful, and XM/Sirius is such garbage, why do you post here pimping IBOC?
 
zumahans said:
IBOCRocks said:
If terrestrial radio is garbage, and satellite and streaming radio are certainly going to take off, why are you here fighing IBOC? Seems to me that you're doing just as we've thought - fighting for the sake of fighting. Says volumes about your character.

Or better yet, why are you not answering that question?
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First, there are 14 million paid XM/Sirius accounts, so a lot more than two people are voting with their pocketbooks.

May I pose your question to you: if terrestial radio is so wonderful, and XM/Sirius is such garbage, why do you post here pimping IBOC?
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Hmm. Seeing as these are your first posts here. May I suggest you read a bit more.

I am not here pimping IBOC. I am here correcting inaccurate information posted by a certain person. A person who likes to make claims without backing them up. The bigger question is why SayNo is fighting against IBOC when he seems to hate terrestrial radio, which seems to be the only thing in danger of being affected by it, at least according to him.

As for your 14 million...they won't do much good if XM/Siri keep losing money. Add to the fact that projections show that Sat radio subscriptions have slowed considerably, and you have a service that pretty much is what it is. It's not the "radio killer" that the fanboi's were predicting it would be.
 
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