In the future, will the only people listening to broadcast radio be those who can't afford satellite? The quality of broadcast radio has been on the decline, local formats are vanishing, satellite offers the listener the promise of whatever he wants, when he wants it. Will broadcast radio be a thing of the past?
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Satellite: The End of Broadcast Radio?
- Thread starter madlib
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Ed_Walker
Guest
Broadband: the end of satellite radio?
Who will need something in space?
Who will need something in space?
K
KMRichards
Guest
> In the future, will the only people listening to broadcast
> radio be those who can't afford satellite? The quality of
> broadcast radio has been on the decline, local formats are
> vanishing, satellite offers the listener the promise of
> whatever he wants, when he wants it. Will broadcast radio
> be a thing of the past?
Given how small the percentage of the nationwide population that listens to satellite radio (about three-tenths of one percent), it's going to be a long time before that question is a valid concern.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
> radio be those who can't afford satellite? The quality of
> broadcast radio has been on the decline, local formats are
> vanishing, satellite offers the listener the promise of
> whatever he wants, when he wants it. Will broadcast radio
> be a thing of the past?
Given how small the percentage of the nationwide population that listens to satellite radio (about three-tenths of one percent), it's going to be a long time before that question is a valid concern.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
> Given how small the percentage of the nationwide population
> that listens to satellite radio (about three-tenths of one
> percent), it's going to be a long time before that question
> is a valid concern.
Three percent, not three tenths of one percent. So it's ten times ahead of where you're tracking it, and only one of the digital choices for low-cost portable entertainment.
Still, broadcast radio remains the medium with the very lowest financial and convenience cost to its audience. Since the price of a station's license and plant simply adjusts to its revenue potential, broadcast radio can do quite nicely by appealing to whoever's left: people who are starting up the ladder, people whose daily circumstances place successor media out of reach, and people who require instant information while multitasking.
> that listens to satellite radio (about three-tenths of one
> percent), it's going to be a long time before that question
> is a valid concern.
Three percent, not three tenths of one percent. So it's ten times ahead of where you're tracking it, and only one of the digital choices for low-cost portable entertainment.
Still, broadcast radio remains the medium with the very lowest financial and convenience cost to its audience. Since the price of a station's license and plant simply adjusts to its revenue potential, broadcast radio can do quite nicely by appealing to whoever's left: people who are starting up the ladder, people whose daily circumstances place successor media out of reach, and people who require instant information while multitasking.
K
k9ez
Guest
If I see one more post about radio dying...
> In the future, will the only people listening to broadcast
> radio be those who can't afford satellite? The quality of
> broadcast radio has been on the decline, local formats are
> vanishing, satellite offers the listener the promise of
> whatever he wants, when he wants it. Will broadcast radio
> be a thing of the past?
>
I posted the following on the Denver board.....
GAG CHOKE COUGH.....
Lets see, how many years now have people been saying radio is dead......
When TV came, Radio was dead.
8 Tracks came, radio was dead.
When Cassettes came, radio was dead.
When Cable TV came, radio was dead.
When VCRs came, radio was dead.
When CDs came, radio was dead.
When MP3 players came, radio was dead.
See a theme here?
Technology has been changing yet radio remains. This is nothing new here.
Once a week there is a post about radio dying. Good grief. How many years have we heard that. Or for how many years have we heard RADIO SUCKS.
I dont know about you but our stations are doing a lot of local work.... remotes constantly, live broadcasts, local news covered, live mini concerts in our studios, LOCAL talk radio, etc. We are always looking for new ways to reach our local audience. We are always looking for creative ways to broadcast. If you folks arent, then it is YOU, not radio that will be a thing of the past.
I dont think that the quality of radio is declining. You have more choices on broadcast than ever before.
If you think that creativity is just playing the songs you want to play (ala college radio or JACK) then you have got another thing coming.
If radio was creative in the past, what makes you think it was creative? What is so different about todays radio compared to then? Ya ya ya, voice tracking can be a tad boring, but we are also a BUSINESS. If you have a station that is 24/7 satellite without much local input then it is YOU that is destin for the past.
> In the future, will the only people listening to broadcast
> radio be those who can't afford satellite? The quality of
> broadcast radio has been on the decline, local formats are
> vanishing, satellite offers the listener the promise of
> whatever he wants, when he wants it. Will broadcast radio
> be a thing of the past?
>
I posted the following on the Denver board.....
GAG CHOKE COUGH.....
Lets see, how many years now have people been saying radio is dead......
When TV came, Radio was dead.
8 Tracks came, radio was dead.
When Cassettes came, radio was dead.
When Cable TV came, radio was dead.
When VCRs came, radio was dead.
When CDs came, radio was dead.
When MP3 players came, radio was dead.
See a theme here?
Technology has been changing yet radio remains. This is nothing new here.
Once a week there is a post about radio dying. Good grief. How many years have we heard that. Or for how many years have we heard RADIO SUCKS.
I dont know about you but our stations are doing a lot of local work.... remotes constantly, live broadcasts, local news covered, live mini concerts in our studios, LOCAL talk radio, etc. We are always looking for new ways to reach our local audience. We are always looking for creative ways to broadcast. If you folks arent, then it is YOU, not radio that will be a thing of the past.
I dont think that the quality of radio is declining. You have more choices on broadcast than ever before.
If you think that creativity is just playing the songs you want to play (ala college radio or JACK) then you have got another thing coming.
If radio was creative in the past, what makes you think it was creative? What is so different about todays radio compared to then? Ya ya ya, voice tracking can be a tad boring, but we are also a BUSINESS. If you have a station that is 24/7 satellite without much local input then it is YOU that is destin for the past.
B
BigRadioFan
Guest
> In the future, will the only people listening to broadcast
> radio be those who can't afford satellite? The quality of
> broadcast radio has been on the decline, local formats are
> vanishing, satellite offers the listener the promise of
> whatever he wants, when he wants it. Will broadcast radio
> be a thing of the past?
Have you heard satellite radio? Voicetracking, nonstop jukeboxing, radio rebroadcasts, the same PSA's that air over and over and over and over, etc.
Highspeed wireless has already been invented and will allow true competition from EVERYONE. This will kill satellite because it's more about flash than substance.
Another example: Howard Stern. His first Sirius show was horrible.
> radio be those who can't afford satellite? The quality of
> broadcast radio has been on the decline, local formats are
> vanishing, satellite offers the listener the promise of
> whatever he wants, when he wants it. Will broadcast radio
> be a thing of the past?
Have you heard satellite radio? Voicetracking, nonstop jukeboxing, radio rebroadcasts, the same PSA's that air over and over and over and over, etc.
Highspeed wireless has already been invented and will allow true competition from EVERYONE. This will kill satellite because it's more about flash than substance.
Another example: Howard Stern. His first Sirius show was horrible.
K
k9ez
Guest
> > In the future, will the only people listening to broadcast
>
> > radio be those who can't afford satellite? The quality of
>
> > broadcast radio has been on the decline, local formats are
>
> > vanishing, satellite offers the listener the promise of
> > whatever he wants, when he wants it. Will broadcast radio
>
> > be a thing of the past?
>
> Have you heard satellite radio? Voicetracking, nonstop
> jukeboxing, radio rebroadcasts, the same PSA's that air over
> and over and over and over, etc.
>
> Highspeed wireless has already been invented and will allow
> true competition from EVERYONE. This will kill satellite
> because it's more about flash than substance.
>
> Another example: Howard Stern. His first Sirius show was
> horrible.
>
You are so right about sat radio. Talk about lack of creativity.
One problem with high speed wireless...it is not free like broadcast radio. And how will it be delivered to the consumer? Will I need a phone AND a radio? Do I need my laptop? Will I need a radio just for broadband?
One thing Sat radio and broadcast have over broadband.... it is not available everywhere like broadcast and sat radio.
>
> > radio be those who can't afford satellite? The quality of
>
> > broadcast radio has been on the decline, local formats are
>
> > vanishing, satellite offers the listener the promise of
> > whatever he wants, when he wants it. Will broadcast radio
>
> > be a thing of the past?
>
> Have you heard satellite radio? Voicetracking, nonstop
> jukeboxing, radio rebroadcasts, the same PSA's that air over
> and over and over and over, etc.
>
> Highspeed wireless has already been invented and will allow
> true competition from EVERYONE. This will kill satellite
> because it's more about flash than substance.
>
> Another example: Howard Stern. His first Sirius show was
> horrible.
>
You are so right about sat radio. Talk about lack of creativity.
One problem with high speed wireless...it is not free like broadcast radio. And how will it be delivered to the consumer? Will I need a phone AND a radio? Do I need my laptop? Will I need a radio just for broadband?
One thing Sat radio and broadcast have over broadband.... it is not available everywhere like broadcast and sat radio.
> > > In the future, will the only people listening to
> broadcast
> >
> > > radio be those who can't afford satellite? The quality
> of
> >
> > > broadcast radio has been on the decline, local formats
> are
> >
> > > vanishing, satellite offers the listener the promise of
> > > whatever he wants, when he wants it. Will broadcast
> radio
> >
> > > be a thing of the past?
> >
> > Have you heard satellite radio? Voicetracking, nonstop
> > jukeboxing, radio rebroadcasts, the same PSA's that air
> over
> > and over and over and over, etc.
> >
> > Highspeed wireless has already been invented and will
> allow
> > true competition from EVERYONE. This will kill satellite
> > because it's more about flash than substance.
> >
> > Another example: Howard Stern. His first Sirius show was
> > horrible.
> >
>
> You are so right about sat radio. Talk about lack of
> creativity.
>
> One problem with high speed wireless...it is not free like
> broadcast radio. And how will it be delivered to the
> consumer? Will I need a phone AND a radio? Do I need my
> laptop? Will I need a radio just for broadband?
>
> One thing Sat radio and broadcast have over broadband.... it
> is not available everywhere like broadcast and sat radio.
>
The Internet Radio is here already, there are units you can buy now, infact Europe has been selling and using these units for some time, works via WiFi and or regular connection to the internet and then hooks up to your stereo... here is one such unit:
http://radio.about.com/cs/latestradionews/a/aa010804a.htm
It won't be long before you can recieve the streams on your cell phone and soon the true portability of a boom box or walkman style unit is next using the WiFi system.
> broadcast
> >
> > > radio be those who can't afford satellite? The quality
> of
> >
> > > broadcast radio has been on the decline, local formats
> are
> >
> > > vanishing, satellite offers the listener the promise of
> > > whatever he wants, when he wants it. Will broadcast
> radio
> >
> > > be a thing of the past?
> >
> > Have you heard satellite radio? Voicetracking, nonstop
> > jukeboxing, radio rebroadcasts, the same PSA's that air
> over
> > and over and over and over, etc.
> >
> > Highspeed wireless has already been invented and will
> allow
> > true competition from EVERYONE. This will kill satellite
> > because it's more about flash than substance.
> >
> > Another example: Howard Stern. His first Sirius show was
> > horrible.
> >
>
> You are so right about sat radio. Talk about lack of
> creativity.
>
> One problem with high speed wireless...it is not free like
> broadcast radio. And how will it be delivered to the
> consumer? Will I need a phone AND a radio? Do I need my
> laptop? Will I need a radio just for broadband?
>
> One thing Sat radio and broadcast have over broadband.... it
> is not available everywhere like broadcast and sat radio.
>
The Internet Radio is here already, there are units you can buy now, infact Europe has been selling and using these units for some time, works via WiFi and or regular connection to the internet and then hooks up to your stereo... here is one such unit:
http://radio.about.com/cs/latestradionews/a/aa010804a.htm
It won't be long before you can recieve the streams on your cell phone and soon the true portability of a boom box or walkman style unit is next using the WiFi system.
L
LeeSmith
Guest
K9:
Are you the K9EZ listed at QRZ.com? I ask because I'm VE4ANC.
73 de
Lee
Are you the K9EZ listed at QRZ.com? I ask because I'm VE4ANC.
73 de
Lee
K
k9ez
Guest
> K9:
>
> Are you the K9EZ listed at QRZ.com? I ask because I'm
> VE4ANC.
>
> 73 de
> Lee
>
--.- . ...
:-D
>
> Are you the K9EZ listed at QRZ.com? I ask because I'm
> VE4ANC.
>
> 73 de
> Lee
>
--.- . ...
:-D
R
radiodial
Guest
Re: If I see one more post about radio dying...
> Lets see, how many years now have people been saying radio
> is dead......
>
Radio itself will not die, but as a source for music, it is quickly dying. And there is no stopping it because the consumer now has control of their own music selection.
> Lets see, how many years now have people been saying radio
> is dead......
>
Radio itself will not die, but as a source for music, it is quickly dying. And there is no stopping it because the consumer now has control of their own music selection.
L
LeeSmith
Guest
Due to the close spacing between letters and the wrong glasses at the moment, confirm QES? If so, that's another area of mine ... been flying commercially for 33 years now as well as broadcasting.
Lee
> --.- . ...
>
> :-D
>
Lee
> --.- . ...
>
> :-D
>
K
k9ez
Guest
You know...If I only had a brain....
I MEANT -.-- as in "Y" bet it makes sense now!
(going to crawl in my hole now.)
> Due to the close spacing between letters and the wrong
> glasses at the moment, confirm QES? If so, that's another
> area of mine ... been flying commercially for 33 years now
> as well as broadcasting.
>
> Lee
>
> > --.- . ...
> >
> > :-D
> >
>
I MEANT -.-- as in "Y" bet it makes sense now!
(going to crawl in my hole now.)
> Due to the close spacing between letters and the wrong
> glasses at the moment, confirm QES? If so, that's another
> area of mine ... been flying commercially for 33 years now
> as well as broadcasting.
>
> Lee
>
> > --.- . ...
> >
> > :-D
> >
>
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954
Guest
Re: If I see one more post about radio dying...
> Lets see, how many years now have people been saying radio
> is dead......
>
> When TV came, Radio was dead.
> 8 Tracks came, radio was dead.
> When Cassettes came, radio was dead.
> When Cable TV came, radio was dead.
> When VCRs came, radio was dead.
> When CDs came, radio was dead.
> When MP3 players came, radio was dead.
>
> See a theme here?
When talkies (movies with sound) came, radio was dead.
When FM came, radio was dead.
When Top 40 came, radio was dead.
When the British invasion came, radio was dead.
Remember that radio and TV were supposed to kill newspapers -- and that TV and cable and VCRs and DVDs were supposed to kill movies.
And so it goes, down in 954.
<P ID="signature">______________
Prairie Home Companion Coming To Miami in Feb!
South Florida Radio Pages</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by 954 on 01/11/06 03:14 AM.</FONT></P>
> Lets see, how many years now have people been saying radio
> is dead......
>
> When TV came, Radio was dead.
> 8 Tracks came, radio was dead.
> When Cassettes came, radio was dead.
> When Cable TV came, radio was dead.
> When VCRs came, radio was dead.
> When CDs came, radio was dead.
> When MP3 players came, radio was dead.
>
> See a theme here?
When talkies (movies with sound) came, radio was dead.
When FM came, radio was dead.
When Top 40 came, radio was dead.
When the British invasion came, radio was dead.
Remember that radio and TV were supposed to kill newspapers -- and that TV and cable and VCRs and DVDs were supposed to kill movies.
And so it goes, down in 954.
<P ID="signature">______________
Prairie Home Companion Coming To Miami in Feb!
South Florida Radio Pages</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by 954 on 01/11/06 03:14 AM.</FONT></P>
K
KMRichards
Guest
> > Given how small the percentage of the nationwide
> population
> > that listens to satellite radio (about three-tenths of one
>
> > percent), it's going to be a long time before that
> question
> > is a valid concern.
>
> Three percent, not three tenths of one percent. So it's ten
> times ahead of where you're tracking it, and only one of the
> digital choices for low-cost portable entertainment.
I misread my data. Happens. Still, the total number of satellite subscribers nationwide is lower than the number of people who listen to radio in the New York City market alone.
In fact, the top 14 radio markets in the U.S. each have a higher population than the total number of XM and Sirius listeners. To me, that indicates that it will be a long time before satellite even starts showing in the ratings.
> Still, broadcast radio remains the medium with the very
> lowest financial and convenience cost to its audience.
> Since the price of a station's license and plant simply
> adjusts to its revenue potential, broadcast radio can do
> quite nicely by appealing to whoever's left: people who are
> starting up the ladder, people whose daily circumstances
> place successor media out of reach, and people who require
> instant information while multitasking.
Right now, that "whoever's left" is a pretty big piece of the pie. I will be interested to see at what point the satellite radio subscriber growth numbers start to level off. If it happens before they get even 20% of the population to sign up, they have a problem. If they hit that mark without slowing down appreciably, then (and only then) terrestrial radio will need to take notice.
I also note that neither XM or Sirius have adjusted their numbers to take into account the number of former subscribers. I wonder what percentage of their total that is ...<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
> population
> > that listens to satellite radio (about three-tenths of one
>
> > percent), it's going to be a long time before that
> question
> > is a valid concern.
>
> Three percent, not three tenths of one percent. So it's ten
> times ahead of where you're tracking it, and only one of the
> digital choices for low-cost portable entertainment.
I misread my data. Happens. Still, the total number of satellite subscribers nationwide is lower than the number of people who listen to radio in the New York City market alone.
In fact, the top 14 radio markets in the U.S. each have a higher population than the total number of XM and Sirius listeners. To me, that indicates that it will be a long time before satellite even starts showing in the ratings.
> Still, broadcast radio remains the medium with the very
> lowest financial and convenience cost to its audience.
> Since the price of a station's license and plant simply
> adjusts to its revenue potential, broadcast radio can do
> quite nicely by appealing to whoever's left: people who are
> starting up the ladder, people whose daily circumstances
> place successor media out of reach, and people who require
> instant information while multitasking.
Right now, that "whoever's left" is a pretty big piece of the pie. I will be interested to see at what point the satellite radio subscriber growth numbers start to level off. If it happens before they get even 20% of the population to sign up, they have a problem. If they hit that mark without slowing down appreciably, then (and only then) terrestrial radio will need to take notice.
I also note that neither XM or Sirius have adjusted their numbers to take into account the number of former subscribers. I wonder what percentage of their total that is ...<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
Re: Broadband: the end of satellite radio?
> Who will need something in space?
One slight modification...
WIRELESS broadband: the end of satellite radio. A much more efficient way of distributing content in populated areas, and coming to a cell tower near you sooner than you may suspect.
> Who will need something in space?
One slight modification...
WIRELESS broadband: the end of satellite radio. A much more efficient way of distributing content in populated areas, and coming to a cell tower near you sooner than you may suspect.
L
LeeSmith
Guest
Hi Hi ... pretty funny. I thought it was my eyes.
Lee
Lee
9
954
Guest
WIRELESS broadband?
> WIRELESS broadband: the end of satellite radio. A much more
> efficient way of distributing content in populated areas,
> and coming to a cell tower near you sooner than you may
> suspect.
Sounds good.
Will the receiver be a PC, a set-top box, or something yet unnamed?
Will it be inexpensive to buy?
Will there be subscription fees or will it be ad supported or both?
Will they be licensed like stations or have exclusive agreements with municipalities, like cable?
Will Clear Channel and/or Comcast own them all?
Will it be more of the same junk or will we have niche programming?
73s from 954<P ID="signature">______________
Prairie Home Companion Coming To Miami in Feb!
South Florida Radio Pages</P>
> WIRELESS broadband: the end of satellite radio. A much more
> efficient way of distributing content in populated areas,
> and coming to a cell tower near you sooner than you may
> suspect.
Sounds good.
Will the receiver be a PC, a set-top box, or something yet unnamed?
Will it be inexpensive to buy?
Will there be subscription fees or will it be ad supported or both?
Will they be licensed like stations or have exclusive agreements with municipalities, like cable?
Will Clear Channel and/or Comcast own them all?
Will it be more of the same junk or will we have niche programming?
73s from 954<P ID="signature">______________
Prairie Home Companion Coming To Miami in Feb!
South Florida Radio Pages</P>
> I misread my data. Happens. Still, the total number of
> satellite subscribers nationwide is lower than the number of
> people who listen to radio in the New York City market
> alone.
Except that a satellite customer is an actual, paying customer. Not someone who merely sees the billboard: someone who actually checks into the motel. And does so again the next month. Commercial radio's customers are the entities in the groups' Accounts Receivable files. Not some multiple of self-selected Arbitron diarists. Based on how few return these diaries absolutely blank, we can easily demonstrate that everyone must be listening. And if folks were really flying through presets to escape stop sets, those weekly diaries would surely say so. (There's gotta be a better way, and those who advertise on direct response media such as Google have found it.)
So, are there as many as a million paying customers of terrestrial commercial radio, 80 years into the industry's existence?
> satellite subscribers nationwide is lower than the number of
> people who listen to radio in the New York City market
> alone.
Except that a satellite customer is an actual, paying customer. Not someone who merely sees the billboard: someone who actually checks into the motel. And does so again the next month. Commercial radio's customers are the entities in the groups' Accounts Receivable files. Not some multiple of self-selected Arbitron diarists. Based on how few return these diaries absolutely blank, we can easily demonstrate that everyone must be listening. And if folks were really flying through presets to escape stop sets, those weekly diaries would surely say so. (There's gotta be a better way, and those who advertise on direct response media such as Google have found it.)
So, are there as many as a million paying customers of terrestrial commercial radio, 80 years into the industry's existence?
CC already has its fingers in the pie
The future is as close as your local cell phone store.
> Will the receiver be a PC, a set-top box, or something yet
> unnamed?
It will be your "personal digital multipurpose device", upgraded from your cell phone.
> Will it be inexpensive to buy?
Only $49.95 if you switch to OUR cell service! Two year commitment required.
> Will there be subscription fees or will it be ad supported
> or both?
How about 435 Clear Channels of commercial free "music" for a measley $7.00 per month? Cheaper than satellite.
> Will they be licensed like stations or have exclusive
> agreements with municipalities, like cable?
We don't need no stinking licenses.
> Will Clear Channel and/or Comcast own them all?
Ummmmmm. Not in the beginning, at least.
> Will it be more of the same junk or will we have niche
> programming?
With 435 channels, they'll have to have some niche content, right?
The future is as close as your local cell phone store.
> Will the receiver be a PC, a set-top box, or something yet
> unnamed?
It will be your "personal digital multipurpose device", upgraded from your cell phone.
> Will it be inexpensive to buy?
Only $49.95 if you switch to OUR cell service! Two year commitment required.
> Will there be subscription fees or will it be ad supported
> or both?
How about 435 Clear Channels of commercial free "music" for a measley $7.00 per month? Cheaper than satellite.
> Will they be licensed like stations or have exclusive
> agreements with municipalities, like cable?
We don't need no stinking licenses.
> Will Clear Channel and/or Comcast own them all?
Ummmmmm. Not in the beginning, at least.
> Will it be more of the same junk or will we have niche
> programming?
With 435 channels, they'll have to have some niche content, right?
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