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Saving AM Radio

There is no reason for there to ever be an "End of AM" date. We the people own the frequencies, and if they were worth anything at all for any other purpose, half the band would have been auctioned off by now. Since the (virtual) real estate (the bandwidth) is otherwise useless, who cares if the only occupants are increasingly a bunch of derelicts? In time, as I've said before, the band will shrink to the point that EVERYONE gets to be clear channel. At that point it essentially will be a a toy for hobbyists as much as anything, because by that date FM will be in the same health that AM is today. So, you could broadcast 100,000 watts of clear channel AM stereo from Chicago on 1240 and be heard from coast-to-coast, but hardly anyone would bother. If I'm still alive, and that guy or gal is broadcasting something compelling, I'll warm up my Philco and tune in.

My point is that AM can live in some form almost forever; there won't be any money in it. But there is no reason for the FCC to say, "okay, everyone out of the pool."
 
And lets not forget the many speakers of Native American languages!
Can you hear 660 AM at your place after dark? It makes it out here into the eastern San Gabriel valley surprisingly often. Such a trip, crashing head on into Native American tribal dance and drum circle music while scanning an urban radio dial.
 
I can sometimes pick up 660. I agree that it's very unusual and really stands out (likewise for Saul Levine's KMZT 1260; classical music is virtually unheard of on AM in this day and age, so it sticks out like a sore thumb).

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Can you hear 660 AM at your place after dark? It makes it out here into the eastern San Gabriel valley surprisingly often. Such a trip, crashing head on into Native American tribal dance and drum circle music while scanning an urban radio dial.
I heard 660 from AZ on several occasions at my home in Río Piedras, Puerto Rico before moving to SoCal. It was the easiest AZ station to log using a loop antenna to eliminate the NYC co-channel station. That is rather interesting… hearing a station in a native American language in Puerto Rico where statistics show about 2/3 or more of the population has indigenous Taino heritage in their bloodline.
 
Unfortunately, LPFM's can be that way. Just another on the list of reasons why I try to discourage anyone from starting one. For that matter, any agency or organization that relies on volunteers can become exactly what you described. That said; add in the artistic differences of volunteers who think their 'compensation' is they get to play radio their way, and it makes volunteer radio all that more disorganized and nasty. And for what? A radio station that plays a couple of city blocks?? Life is too short.

I was talking with my niece about that very subject the other day. She will be graduating from high school next year and was asking my opinion about the media business as a career. Before her asking, she was leaning toward pursuing an engineering degree. I told her my honest opinion was that traditional broadcasting was gradually being overshadowed by online and that eventually, traditional broadcasting would evolve into something else. What that is I have no idea. What I did say was that radio and TV has treated me well over the years, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone just starting a career path today, mainly because of the uncertainty of the future.
As for the future of AM, if you ask your niece, she would tell you that none of her peers have ever listened to AM radio or even know it exists. As much as those of us who love radio and grew up with it want to fight that reality, any intervention--or invention-- is far too late to capture anyone younger than Gen X, at best. AM will eventually go the way of Morse code and CB radio on its own. The government won't, or perhaps can't, euthanize the band, but sooner rather than later, the marketplace will do the job. Any energy and money broadcasters put into AM life support could be better spent keeping FM a relevant media option. It too is at risk.
 
Our regulatory system isn't built for any sort of "on day X, all remaining AM stations will have to shut down" sort of policy.

Analog TV full power stations were forced to shut down on a date certain by the FCC.

Who's to say a similar sunset date won't be applied to AM radio at some future point?

I do agree with all of your other comments regarding the current status of AM radio.
 
Analog TV full power stations were forced to shut down on a date certain by the FCC.
No, analog TV was shut down by an act of Congress. (Technically several acts, because they pushed back the date several times.)

Given the ... productivity ... in Congress, there's no reason to expect the status quo will change with respect to AM broadcasting.
 
Analog TV full power stations were forced to shut down on a date certain by the FCC.
That was a change in technology. Stations simply had to move to the newer system, not cease to operate.
Who's to say a similar sunset date won't be applied to AM radio at some future point?
This would be similar only if the FCC gave AM stations an alternative "new" band. But the industry would not accept a system that made all existing AM radios obsolete while requiring purchase of new ones for home and car use. The TV change was wanted by consumers. Such a change for AM is not.
 
Why all the obsession with saving AM? The formats people want and which are profitable will migrate to FM. Most AM stations are already ignored by group owners. No one under the age of a dinosaur will miss AM when it is gone. Few even think about it today. I have heard stories but recently I experienced first hand that younger listeners don't even know there is an AM band. I was driving my partner, her daughter and son in law to the city. The youngsters are a couple of about 30. When traffic was building I tuned in 1010 WINS for traffic reports. They were completely unaware of WINS, and I believe the AM band at large. We discussed the noise, signal quality and a bit about why AM will be gone in not too many years. There are simply too many choices on frequencies you can hear static free to bother with static on AM unless there is something you need. The last time I had the AM band on for anything other than curiosity, it was for traffic on WINS.
 
That was a change in technology. Stations simply had to move to the newer system, not cease to operate.

This would be similar only if the FCC gave AM stations an alternative "new" band. But the industry would not accept a system that made all existing AM radios obsolete while requiring purchase of new ones for home and car use. The TV change was wanted by consumers. Such a change for AM is not.
I am not sure I agree with the "simple" characterization.

TV stations had to spend significant money upgrading equipment or would otherwise face license revocation. Many have changed their digital television RF channel multiple times since transitioning (often not by choice).

Over the air reception became far more difficult once analog went away. Indoor antennas are largely useless 20+ miles from the transmitter site in many instances now. TV stations fielded numerous complaints from viewers. The ABC station in Philly is probably the most notorious example.

Did consumers want upgraded picture quality? You bet! Did they want free OTA reception to become a major pain in the neck? Doubtful.

Now, do I think it is likely the feds in the next decade or two will force all AM stations off the air? No, I do not. Reason being - there is no good alternative use for that RF spectrum.
 
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Why all the obsession with saving AM?
Two words: nanny state. Some people are obsessed with every single soul in the United States knowing when every single severe weather event, hazmat spill or other potentially adverse situation is occurring, no matter how far they may be from it or how remote the possibility is that they will be at all affected by it. And somehow, it's the government's responsibility to do all that, and in order for that to happen, the government will tell a private industry what it must include in their motor vehicles, whether the citizens buying the vehicles want that item or not. Ridiculous. Let AM's demise continue at its current pace.
 
Why all the obsession with saving AM? The formats people want and which are profitable will migrate to FM. Most AM stations are already ignored by group owners. No one under the age of a dinosaur will miss AM when it is gone. Few even think about it today. I have heard stories but recently I experienced first hand that younger listeners don't even know there is an AM band. I was driving my partner, her daughter and son in law to the city. The youngsters are a couple of about 30. When traffic was building I tuned in 1010 WINS for traffic reports. They were completely unaware of WINS, and I believe the AM band at large. We discussed the noise, signal quality and a bit about why AM will be gone in not too many years. There are simply too many choices on frequencies you can hear static free to bother with static on AM unless there is something you need. The last time I had the AM band on for anything other than curiosity, it was for traffic on WINS.
Why didn't you tune to WINS at 92.3 FM? Just curious.
 
Analog TV full power stations were forced to shut down on a date certain by the FCC.

Who's to say a similar sunset date won't be applied to AM radio at some future point?

I do agree with all of your other comments regarding the current status of AM radio.
True, but OTA TV was still economically viable at that time. Most AM's today are not, with the few exceptions (for now) that we all know about. That's the difference.
 
Two words: nanny state. Some people are obsessed with every single soul in the United States knowing when every single severe weather event, hazmat spill or other potentially adverse situation is occurring, no matter how far they may be from it or how remote the possibility is that they will be at all affected by it. And somehow, it's the government's responsibility to do all that, and in order for that to happen, the government will tell a private industry what it must include in their motor vehicles, whether the citizens buying the vehicles want that item or not. Ridiculous. Let AM's demise continue at its current pace.
It's not exactly "nanny state" to tell manufacturers that if they are going to make a radio they have to make a whole radio. It's no more "nanny state" than seat belts or turn signals. It doesn't cost anything to include AM and nobody is even saying it has to work well.
 
Over the air reception became far more difficult once analog went away. Indoor antennas are largely useless 20+ miles from the transmitter site in many instances now. TV stations fielded numerous complaints from viewers. The ABC station in Philly is probably the most notorious example.
I don't like having to pay so much for just broadcast channels (the ones from the analog era, not the subchannels), public access, whatever they did to WGN America and a news channel. But when I try to pick up channels not on my cable system with indoor antennas, I get varying degrees of interference. Sometimes the signal is almost perfect on some channels. But all of these are UHF. I've never gotten VHF.

When I tried to get an outdoor antenna installed, I was told that could be done. But what if my distance from the transmitter and all the trees meant it didn't work for the channels I can't get now? Then send it back, I was told. How? I just told you I can't install it myself. Also, what happens if there is weather damage? Who's going to fix it?

And that was when Best Buy would actually install it.

I still have a link to a thread on this site with advice if it gets to the point where I can't use cable. There is a site warning people that if they want to record the content, that may be made difficult or impossible for those who have cable.
 
It's not exactly "nanny state" to tell manufacturers that if they are going to make a radio they have to make a whole radio. It's no more "nanny state" than seat belts or turn signals. It doesn't cost anything to include AM and nobody is even saying it has to work well.
It's not the place of the Federal Gummint to require auto manufacturers to include any kind of radio. Radio is not safety equipment; it is an entertainment device. Period. If someone wants radio in the car, and one isn't included (I have bought a few cars like that, and I'm old enough to remember when even an AM radio was not standard equipment from the dealer in many cases), they can do what we've done for decades and have an aftermarket unit installed. Or just use a cellphone.
 
Or just use a cellphone.
Don't have one. There's a flip phone in the trunk in case I need to make a call. Don't know what I would do if I received a call. I am told the phone can receive texts. Don't know what would happen if I got one. Would I somehow know I was getting it if the phone was up front?
 
Don't have one. There's a flip phone in the trunk in case I need to make a call.<...>
Wow...you sure that device is functional "just in case?"

Learning how a device works in an urgent (or emergency) situation is probably the *worst* time to do so.

...just a thought...
 


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