Seattle fm signals

[bobdavcav]

First of all, What's up with KUBE? Am I correct that they broadcast from the same tower as KJR? If so, why do I get KJR in full stereo and there is a little static on KUBE where a stereo signal is hard to get? Also, would anyone consider KBKS to have the best signal in the market? For a few years I thought so, they were big and they were loud. Now they've got a few bad spots around the house that I don't remember before, and the songs sound like they are at a slightly higher pitch than they should be.

 

[crainbebo]

Lots of CHR stations speed up and pitch up the songs 2%, and that's what KBKS is doing.

-crainbebo

 

[bobdavcav]

Any idea why?

 

[WDAE-FM101]

Changing the pitch on songs - makes them sound "livelier" and more appealing to the listener. BIll Tanner @Y-100 was a pioneer. There were times he pitched the music at 4%. I downloaded a patch for Winamp and I pitch my playlist at 1.67% - it really makes a big difference.

Tom S

 

[TowerLamp]

Any idea why?

Also increases your song count per hour. 2 to 3% can get you an extra tune per hour.

 

[notalent]

If you've noticed a few more bad spots around your house, chances are the interferance is coming from something you added to your house rather than the radio station. All manner of devices these days emit RF including computers, cell phones, wall wart power supplies, etc.

as for speeding up the songs, its a gimmick program directors use when they run out of actual programming ideas to try. lame. and it doesnt make room for one more song, it makes room for three more commercials!!

 

[bobdavcav]

Is this why KUBE doesn't come in the same way as KJR? That one has been that way forever though. It also might be when they turned down the audio processing it was just that much of a difference. Hmm.

 

[bossbill]

You need to write Clear Channel, tell them that you think KUBE should move to West Tiger Mountain. Have your friends all do this too. It would be a good thing.

 

[TexasTom]

Also increases your song count per hour. 2 to 3% can get you an extra tune per hour.

No, it doesn't.

Do the math -- if a station programs 48 minutes of music per hour, 3% of 48 minutes works out to an extra 1 minute and 26 seconds. That would be one short song.

 

[bobdavcav]

You need to write Clear Channel, tell them that you think KUBE should move to West Tiger Mountain. Have your friends all do this too. It would be a good thing.

Am I even correct that they're on the same tower? Would it help KJR as well? Since they operate at the same power and haat I just assumed they were on the same tower, but then it wouldn't make sense that one is clearer than the other around town, would it?

 

[IndigoCoyote]

If you mickey mouse the pitch 3.9% and then quick fade down and quick fade up and then find every way to shorten the song itself and while you are at it sell live spot reads over the intro to the next song instead of a regular spot you can increase the perception that you are playing more music than brand X. And technically you are. And your air staff will be wanting to eat bullets after about a month of this. At least the afternoon guy.

Not that I am bitter or anything.

 

[semoochie]

KUBE has been reclassified as a C0, so if they moved to West Tiger, it would be with less power than the other stations. Since they never went there, to begin with, I have to think that there's a spacing issue involved.

 

[bossbill]

They could recover their C status.

 

[scott salvatori]

Changing the pitch on songs - makes them sound "livelier" and more appealing to the listener. BIll Tanner @Y-100 was a pioneer. There were times he pitched the music at 4%. I downloaded a patch for Winamp and I pitch my playlist at 1.67% - it really makes a big difference.

Tom S

i say "horse droppings"! this stunt may work for the rapcrapurbanjivepop. but, it dont work for country. i got edumicated back in the 90's as to what KMPS, and the rest of the ilk does. speed up, and noise up the songs. one day, i matched up an alan jackson song off my CD, to what was playing on the radio. the radio version sped past the recorded version. also, the radio modifications are so loud, and maxed, you cant actually turn up the volume to feel the music, like you can with a CD/record version. this also taints the natural recorded sound of the instrumentation, and vocals, to a more busy pop sound.

music row magazine had a big multi page article on this back in the 90's. wish i woulda saved it for reference. this is the equivalent to putting MSG, and sugar in your corporate fast food, to make it more appealing to your taste buds, so you consume more crap.

i have been informing country radio listeners of this debacle for years. the more people i can educate and turn off the KPMS modified/manipulated crap, the better. i actually won a bet a few years ago, that the radio version of a trace adkins song would speed by my CD version. maybe its time for this ol' boy to buy a taylor swift, or rascal flat CD, and win some more bets, huh?

 

[Bongwater]

Changing the pitch on songs - makes them sound "livelier" and more appealing to the listener. BIll Tanner @Y-100 was a pioneer. There were times he pitched the music at 4%. I downloaded a patch for Winamp and I pitch my playlist at 1.67% - it really makes a big difference.

Tom S

i say "horse droppings"! this stunt may work for the rapcrapurbanjivepop. but, it dont work for country. i got edumicated back in the 90's as to what KMPS, and the rest of the ilk does. speed up, and noise up the songs. one day, i matched up an alan jackson song off my CD, to what was playing on the radio. the radio version sped past the recorded version. also, the radio modifications are so loud, and maxed, you cant actually turn up the volume to feel the music, like you can with a CD/record version. this also taints the natural recorded sound of the instrumentation, and vocals, to a more busy pop sound.

music row magazine had a big multi page article on this back in the 90's. wish i woulda saved it for reference. this is the equivalent to putting MSG, and sugar in your corporate fast food, to make it more appealing to your taste buds, so you consume more crap.

i have been informing country radio listeners of this debacle for years. the more people i can educate and turn off the KPMS modified/manipulated crap, the better. i actually won a bet a few years ago, that the radio version of a trace adkins song would speed by my CD version. maybe its time for this ol' boy to buy a taylor swift, or rascal flat CD, and win some more bets, huh?

Be warned, Taylor Swift on CD/vinyl sounds like Barry White next to the radio processed version.....

 

[AQH]

No, it doesn't.

Do the math -- if a station programs 48 minutes of music per hour, 3% of 48 minutes works out to an extra 1 minute and 26 seconds. That would be one short song.

An accurate mathematical assessment requires figuring out how long individual songs are within that 48 minutes.

 

[semoochie]

They could recover their C status.

Stations don't usually just throw away their Class C status. Another station, which I don't recall, applied to move to or increase power, on a frequency, that would interfere with KUBE and they were given the opportunity to improve their signal, to an actual Class C, but failed to do so.

 

[WDAE-FM101]

If KUBE moved to Tiger, it would need to broadcast at 30,000 watts @HAAT 707 (master antenna) with a C-0 classification
That would still provide better coverage than their current set-up on Cougar.

 

[notalent]

Signals from Cougar seem to do just fine in the ratings. No need to spend millions to move to Tiger for a extra few dozen listeners in Bucoda.

 

[bossbill]

They could recover their C status.

Stations don't usually just throw away their Class C status. Another station, which I don't recall, applied to move to or increase power, on a frequency, that would interfere with KUBE and they were given the opportunity to improve their signal, to an actual Class C, but failed to do so.

Yes, KANY filed for and received a CP to operate as a C0, and KUBE had the choice of adding elevation or moving to keep the C, or be downgraded at present location to C0. They chose door #3.

I was of the understanding that they could still move to West Tiger and regain their C, with some power restrictions to the east.