Secondary PBS affiliates

[e-dawg]

Can someone give me a list of seconardy PBS affiliates?

I.E.

New York City - WNET 13 (Main), WLIW 21 (Secondary), WNJN 52 (Secondary), WNYE 25 (Secondary)
Los Angeles - KCET 28 (Main), KLCS 58 (Secondary), KVCR 24 (Secondary), KOCE 50 (Secondary)
Chicago - WTTW 11 (Main), WYCC 20 (Secondary), WYIN 56 (Secondary).
etc.

 

[KML0224]

Boston/Worcester:

WGBH-DT Boston - main
WGBX-DT Boston - secondary
WENH-DT Durham, NH - secondary
WEKW-DT Keene, NH - secondary

 

[only1moore]

Heres some more:

Milwaukee: WMVS (Primary), WMVT (Secondary)
Atlanta: WGTV (Primary), WPBA (Secondary, but primary within Atlanta)
Tampa: WEDU (Primary), WUSF (Secondary)
Seattle-Tacoma: KCTS (Primary), KBTC (Secondary)
Minneapolis-St. Paul: KTCA (Primary), WTCI (Secondary)
Miami: WPBT (Primary), WLRN (Secondary)
Nashville: WNPT (Primary), WCTE (Secondary)
New Orleans: WYES (Primary), WLAE (Secondary)
Spokane: KSPS (Primary), KCDT (Secondary), KWSU (Secondary)
Paducah-Harrisburg-Cape Giradeau: WSIU (Primary in Southern Illinois), KET (Primary for Kentucky)
Quad Cities: WQPT (Primary), KQIN (Secondary)
Omaha: KYNE (Primary), KBIN (Secondary)
Mobile-Pensacola: WAIQ (Primary in Alabama), WSRE (Primary in Florida)
Denver: KRMA (Primary), KBDI (Secondary)
El Paso: KCOS (Primary), KRWG (Secondary)
Burlington-Plattsburgh: WETK (Primary for Vermont), WCFE (Primary for New York)
Charlotte: WTVI (Primary), WUNG (Secondary), WNSC (Secondary)
Indianapolis: WFYI (Primary), WTIU (Secondary), WIPB (Secondary)

 

[RyanHoward]

Philadelphia-WHYY 12(Main), WNJT 52(Secondary)
Pittsburgh-WQED 13(Main), WQEX 16(Secondary, sort of; they're mostly home shopping now)
Indianapolis-WFYI 20(Main), WTIU 30(Secondary, from Bloomington)
Miami-WPBT 2(Main), WLRN 17(Secondary)
Washington, DC-WETA 26(Main), WHUT 32(Secondary)
Louisville-WKPC 15(Main), WKMJ 68(Secondary)
Denver-KRMA 6(main), KBDI 12(Secondary)
Tampa-St. Petersburg-WEDU 3(Main), WUSF 16(Secondary)
San Francisco-KQED 9(Main), KRCB 22(Secondary), KTEH 54(Secondary, from San Jose), KCSM 60(Secondary)
Milwaukee-WMVS 10(Main), WMVT 36(Secondary)

 

[mescutia]

Boston/Worcester:

WGBH-DT Boston - main
WGBX-DT Boston - secondary
WENH-DT Durham, NH - secondary
WEKW-DT Keene, NH - secondary

Actually, WENH and WEKW function as the same station, NHPTV. And I doubt NHPTV is really considered a "secondary" affiliate in the same way WLIW and the other stations e-dawg mentioned are, particularly since not all of NHPTV's stations are in the Boston-Manchester DMA.

Also, try telling New Hampshire residents that WGBH is their main PBS affiliate. That's like telling them that WCVB is their main ABC affiliate, not WMUR. Okay, you might convince people right on the MA border, but that's about it.

 

[BRNout]

Philadelphia-WHYY 12(Main), WNJT 52(Secondary)

And add WLVT 39 as a secondary for the Philadelphia market.

Actually, WENH and WEKW function as the same station, NHPTV. And I doubt NHPTV is really considered a "secondary" affiliate in the same way WLIW and the other stations e-dawg mentioned are, particularly since not all of NHPTV's stations are in the Boston-Manchester DMA.

Also, try telling New Hampshire residents that WGBH is their main PBS affiliate. That's like telling them that WCVB is their main ABC affiliate, not WMUR. Okay, you might convince people right on the MA border, but that's about it.

Agreed 100% on the WENH issue. It would be primary for New Hampshire residents. Southern NH is an odd portion of the Boston/Manchester DMA (the actual name) where WENH would be considered primary PBS and WMUR is psychologically the primary affiliate for ABC throughout the state. Even on the MA border, WMUR is considered tops - unless you're on the Massachusetts side of that border.

 

[KML0224]

You guys are right. Sorry about all of that. I wasn't thinking straight. You don't have this type of deal in Hartford/New Haven, since PBS in Springfield, MA, although close to Hartford, is a different market.

 

[DToTheJ]

New York City - WNET 13 (Main), WLIW 21 (Secondary), WNJN 52 (Secondary), WNYE 25 (Secondary)

Actually, you could add WNJN/50 to the list (WNJT is 52 in Camden, which could be added to the Philly DMA). I also could take WNYE/25 off the list, since they pretty much don't function as a legitimate PBS outlet anymore these days (they are now known as "NYCTV" or something)... And if you really want to split hairs, add Bridgeport's CPTV (WEDW/49) as a tertiary PBS affiliate in the New York DMA.

 

[Louis_009]

Tallahassee Florida/Thomasville Georgia WFSU-TV 11 and WABW-TV 14 (Pelham Ga) Albany GPB

 

[Bill_W]

Philadelphia-WHYY 12(Main), WNJT 52(Secondary)
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And add WLVT 39 as a secondary for the Philadelphia market.




Wouldn't the secondary NJN station in a majority of the Philly market be WNJS-23 out of Camden?

 

[azumanga]

Quad Cities: WQPT (Primary), KQIN (Secondary)
Omaha: KYNE (Primary), KBIN (Secondary)

Tallahassee Florida/Thomasville Georgia WFSU-TV 11 and WABW-TV 14 (Pelham Ga) Albany GPB

In these cases, the Iowa and Georgia stations would be primary for viewers in those states, as they are part of state-wide PBS networks.

 

[FreddyE1977]

how about WGTE in Toledo and WBGU in Bowling Green, OH? That is pretty much the same market, I think.

WQED/WQEX was a fine example at one time. Now however WQEX runs all home shopping, save for a small slice of QED programs needed to fulfill their public service and E/I requirements.

 

[BRNout]

Wouldn't the secondary NJN station in a majority of the Philly market be WNJS-23 out of Camden?

You know Bill, you're probably right about that. Because NJN is the same all over, I didn't give that a thought when I read that posting. I guess it depends. When I lived in Devon, over the air it was the Trenton signal that was strongest but from Malvern it was the Camden signal. However, our cable system offered neither - only WHYY and WLVT.

Breaking down a 'primary' and 'secondary' PBS in a given market can be pretty complicated. Not only in the case of the New Hampshire example above, but - for example - in the Chicago DMA, the northwest Indiana portion is primarily served by WYIN (Lakeshore PBS), not WTTW. Any market that crosses state lines may well have the same dilemma.

I wonder how that is being addressed in this chapter of cable's continuing assault on OTA stations.

 

[ShawnHill1]

Wouldn't the secondary NJN station in a majority of the Philly market be WNJS-23 out of Camden?

You know Bill, you're probably right about that. Because NJN is the same all over, I didn't give that a thought when I read that posting. I guess it depends. When I lived in Devon, over the air it was the Trenton signal that was strongest but from Malvern it was the Camden signal. However, our cable system offered neither - only WHYY and WLVT.

Breaking down a 'primary' and 'secondary' PBS in a given market can be pretty complicated. Not only in the case of the New Hampshire example above, but - for example - in the Chicago DMA, the northwest Indiana portion is primarily served by WYIN (Lakeshore PBS), not WTTW. Any market that crosses state lines may well have the same dilemma.

I wonder how that is being addressed in this chapter of cable's continuing assault on OTA stations.

Which is kind of a tricky situation for us here in Southern California. KCET has the most marketwide coverage of any of the four PBS affiliates here, as far north as Bakersfield and as far south as northern San Diego County. KOCE and KLCS also have very significant coverage as well, although most parts of the northern edge can't recieve KOCE either cable or over-the-air. KVCR is only available marketwide via DirecTV and Dish Network, and on cable in areas east of State Route 57 (Pomona Valley in L.A. County, northern Orange County). Until a few years, it used on cable in Southeastern L.A. County (Long Beach, Signal Hill, Lakewood, Hawaiian Gardens) and some parts of northern and central Orange County (like old the Century/Adelphia system in Anaheim for example). KVCR, at least in San Bernardino-Riverside, is the primary PBS station, while KCET is more or less the secondary station, even if it's in the same market.

 

[Robnoxious]

KCET has the most marketwide coverage of any of the four PBS affiliates here, as far north as Bakersfield and as far south as northern San Diego County.

While this was once very much true, Bakersfield currently treats KVPT Fresno as their main PBS affliate making KCET secondary. K18HD-D currently relays the KVPT signal over the air into Bakersfield proper. Bakersfield once had the fine distinction of being one of the largest markets that didn't have a access to a PBS station over the air. It had been that way for years and years.

 

[mleach]

Washington, DC-WETA 26(Main), WHUT 32(Secondary)

In the DC market there is also Northern Virginia's WNVT/WNVC ( though little PBS is on them ), Maryland Public TV and Front Royal, VA's WVPY ( actually Satunton-Harrisonburg's WVPT )..all of which I believe are available on one or both of the DBS services ( Direct TV and Dish Network ) and I don't think they are blocked so even those in downtown Washington can get them.

Also in the West Virginia part of the DC DMA many viewers can pick up West Virginia Public TV as well...but only on the local WV cable systems and if you are lucky..OTA.

 

[Garrett]

Wasn't WGBY in Spingfield at one time part of WGBH? So that would have made them a second seconday at one time?

 

[james32746]

Orlando

WMFE (main), WDSC (secondary), WBCC (secondary)

 

[azumanga]

In the DC market there is also Northern Virginia's WNVT/WNVC ( though little PBS is on them )

I don't think they're PBS members anymore -- today they are known as "MHz", an ethnic programming service.

 

[kenrayc]

Wouldn't the secondary NJN station in a majority of the Philly market be WNJS-23 out of Camden?

You know Bill, you're probably right about that. Because NJN is the same all over, I didn't give that a thought when I read that posting. I guess it depends. When I lived in Devon, over the air it was the Trenton signal that was strongest but from Malvern it was the Camden signal. However, our cable system offered neither - only WHYY and WLVT.

Breaking down a 'primary' and 'secondary' PBS in a given market can be pretty complicated. Not only in the case of the New Hampshire example above, but - for example - in the Chicago DMA, the northwest Indiana portion is primarily served by WYIN (Lakeshore PBS), not WTTW. Any market that crosses state lines may well have the same dilemma.

I wonder how that is being addressed in this chapter of cable's continuing assault on OTA stations.

Which is kind of a tricky situation for us here in Southern California. KCET has the most marketwide coverage of any of the four PBS affiliates here, as far north as Bakersfield and as far south as northern San Diego County. KOCE and KLCS also have very significant coverage as well, although most parts of the northern edge can't recieve KOCE either cable or over-the-air. KVCR is only available marketwide via DirecTV and Dish Network, and on cable in areas east of State Route 57 (Pomona Valley in L.A. County, northern Orange County). Until a few years, it used on cable in Southeastern L.A. County (Long Beach, Signal Hill, Lakewood, Hawaiian Gardens) and some parts of northern and central Orange County (like old the Century/Adelphia system in Anaheim for example). KVCR, at least in San Bernardino-Riverside, is the primary PBS station, while KCET is more or less the secondary station, even if it's in the same market.

Wouldn't KOCE be considered a primary PBS station for Anaheim/ Orange County and KCET secondary.

In the SF bay area KTEH is Primary in San Jose, and KQED is Primary in San Francisco where the secondary are reversed.