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Separation of media and state?

MattParker said:
That would include what radio can learn from businesses and industries that are successful, and from those that have failed. Right now radio is following a well-trod path of businesses that aren't around any more.

Could I suggest that you are trying to paint a picture of American business with one brush, a big wide brush that covers over all the blemishes that even a master carpenter sometimes leaves in what is constructed.

A big part of the business world indeed works in self-sustaining market conditions where Capitalism mixed with Darwinian concepts gives us a robust standard of living.

Our civilization and our power of government has tried to give commercial broadcasting that kind of playground in which to work.

And even hard-core conservatives who bow to the picture of Ronald Reagan hanging in their entryway every morning on their way to work have to come face to face with the concept that some useful and desired activities that our people like and consider part of their lifestyle can not function as stand alone economic organisms.

Disney demonstrated that an amusement park can work as a business. I have never heard a group of business people who were standing in line for the opportunity to operate something on the order of our state and national park systems.

Pharmaceutical companies love to bring us rock-star prescription drugs. But even then that system works only if the government gives them a big subsidy called the Patent Law. The common day-to-day ailments that kill people daily in the third-world go unchallenged because the free-enterprise system will not reward the industry for coming up with an economical drug to overcome these low grade plagues. We are beholden to Jimmy Carter for bringing together charitable groups to conquer the Guinea Worm in Africa. Today we watch at Bill and Melinda Gates and people like Warren Buffett put up charitable money and talk governments into matching grants to solve similar problems. Capitalist based free-enterprise business looks at these things and says, "Nice project but we have no business model that can do that. Here, we will write you a small check from our Charitable Account. Go knock yourself out."

Free enterprise has not figured out how to wrap their arms around Ethanol.... at least not yet.

So maybe in the world of providing audio and video content of certain types for a certain targeted audiences will always need government funding. It also needs for government to be a good and proper parent and make sure Public Broadcasting is meeting the needs of the target audiences, not just the audience that will write a check at pledge time.

Some day maybe the young, not-yet-steady-on-it's-feet airline industry will be able to provide passenger service in small and medium travel markets without a Federal subsidy.

At a lecture last night I learned that some state colleges and universities no long receive state funding. How is that for progress, friends of Ayn Rand.
 
Walt Disney knew his "real world" audience and was committed to Total Quality Management (before the term was coined) and to customer satisfaction. That's Uncle Walt, not necessarily the people running things today.

The airline industry used to be steady on its feet, until Jimmy Carter deregulated it. Broadcasting was a lot steadier, too, before Al Gore deregulated it. I see no reason to provide schedule air service to small towns when no purpose is served other than ego boosting. In most of these small towns, you can drive to a real airport in about the same time it takes to go to the local airport, catch a commuter flight and make a connection. And not every small town needs a community radio station to feed the ego of those who want to play radio but to which the "real world" audience does not listen.

Public broadcasting has had 40 plus years of being nurtured by the taxpayers and it has been a successful endeavor. Public radio can stand on its own. Why do you fans of public radio have such a problem with acknowledging that public radio creates a good product and is successful in drawing an audience? In the recent downturn, a lot of enterprises have seen their revenue drop a lot more than 15 per cent. If public radio can't deal with a short-term, short-fall, then they really have serious problems.

I am somewhat skeptical of this lecture you mention, certainly in the absence of any details about the content or the source. I do recall that when Reagan wanted to charge in-state students tuition to the University of California system, there was a hue and cry suggesting the end of civilization as we know it. Now public radio is asked to tighten its collective belt and we are hearing similar whaling and gnashing of teeth. Sometimes elite, artsy, intellectual types can be such babies.
 
MattParker said:
Why do you fans of public radio have such a problem with acknowledging that public radio creates a good product and is successful in drawing an audience?

The issue isn't drawing an audience. It's getting them to pay for it. You yourself are a freeloader. That's how easy it is.

If the goal was to wean them off taxpayer money, then phase it out over time. Not just cut them off cold turkey. But it's clearly a political point they want to make.
 
TheBigA said:
If the goal was to wean them off taxpayer money, then phase it out over time. Not just cut them off cold turkey. But it's clearly a political point they want to make.

I don't disagree with that. The only thing I'd point out is that from everything public radio advocates say, federal funding is a very small portion of their budget. Why bother phasing it out?
 
Don C said:
The only thing I'd point out is that from everything public radio advocates say, federal funding is a very small portion of their budget. Why bother phasing it out?

That's public radio. Also being cut is TV. TV is a different thing.
 
TheBigA said:
You yourself are a freeloader.

Really? And how do you know that? Would you care to see my collection of coffee mugs, t-shirts and tote bags?

It seems to me public radio wants to make it a political point. They need an enemy to rally donors.
 
TheBigA said:
That's public radio. Also being cut is TV. TV is a different thing.

Are you telling me that the folks who put Sesame Street on the TV can't stand on their own? Seriously? Have you ever seen the merchandising they do? It's Disney level market penetration.

And before you say the local stations are the ones that would suffer, like I've been saying, let up on the fundraising rules and if they survive, great. If they don't, the people who watched their programming without paying can only blame themselves.

You really seem to think these people are entitled to my money. They're not.
 
Don C said:
Are you telling me that the folks who put Sesame Street on the TV can't stand on their own?

All that money goes to Children's Television Workshop, that produces the show. No money is shared with stations. Then again, they get the show for free.

Don C said:
You really seem to think these people are entitled to my money. They're not.

Your representatives think they're entitled to your money, and they've been giving it to them for 43 years. Have a problem? Write your Senator.
 
TheBigA said:
Doesn't change the fact that they have been entitled to this money.

NO THEY ARE NOT

Just because someone passed a law 40 years ago, doesn't mean they have any right to money earned by someone else.

And telling people to call their representative? Guess what? People are. And CPB is about to hear that voice loud and clear. You can either start thinking of good ways to pick up the slack, or sit and demonize people who are sick of paying for something that they shouldn't be.
 
Pubcasters are no less entitled to the CPB money than I am entitled to unemployment insurance. I realize that probably won't convince you of anything because you probably oppose that program too.
 
PTBoardOp94 said:
Pubcasters are no less entitled to the CPB money than I am entitled to unemployment insurance. I realize that probably won't convince you of anything because you probably oppose that program too.

The difference is unemployment insurance is insurance. Your employer pays premiums. Since those premiums are part of the total cost of an employee, it can be argued that indirectly those premiums come out of your pocket. Notice how employers come up with ways to deny workers unemployment insurance benefits, to keep their premiums down. So, don't assume you are entitled to it.
 
MattParker said:
The difference is unemployment insurance is insurance. Your employer pays premiums. Since those premiums are part of the total cost of an employee, it can be argued that indirectly those premiums come out of your pocket. Notice how employers come up with ways to deny workers unemployment insurance benefits, to keep their premiums down. So, don't assume you are entitled to it.

And all this time I thought that money just came from thin air! You're telling me that someone had to actually work for that money?

Of course anyone who has ever been denied unemployment because they didn't work at a place long enough could have told us that. But never mind that. Everyone should just get free money. Give everyone enough to buy a 50,000 watt blowtorch the day they turn 18. That should keep everyone happy, right?
 
Don C said:
Just because someone passed a law 40 years ago, doesn't mean they have any right to money earned by someone else.

Actually, the home mortgage deduction is an entitlement that a lot of people think is sacred. But it's not.
 
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