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Re: regarding air talent

> klove stops for 2 minutes about every 20 minutes.


Twice per hour...about :20 & :50. Unless you want to count the "news" break.
 
Re: regarding air talent

> because what we had SUCKED WORSE!! and their spot breaks are
> ministry breaks!! at least they are still a CHRISTIAN
> christian station!! even if they do play awsome God 3 times
> a day and its a 17 year old song! again its better than what
> we had!!
>

Wasn't pastor whatever his names ministry breaks no different? even if you didn't agree with them..<P ID="signature">______________
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Program Director/Music Director
X Music Online
The X
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Re: regarding air talent

> > because what we had SUCKED WORSE!! and their spot breaks
> are
> > ministry breaks!! at least they are still a CHRISTIAN
> > christian station!! even if they do play awsome God 3
> times
> > a day and its a 17 year old song! again its better than
> what
> > we had!!
> >
>
> Wasn't pastor whatever his names ministry breaks no
> different? even if you didn't agree with them..
>

#1. i didnt just disagree with him. i use to go to his church..
#2. larrys spots were boring bland and usually made no sence whatsoever...klove is way diffrent. at least the djs have personality..and its not geared at one single church. its geared to the whole church..
<P ID="signature">______________
note to tvland...bring back wkrp!!!</P>
 
Re: regarding air talent

> > > because what we had SUCKED WORSE!! and their spot breaks
>
> > are
> > > ministry breaks!! at least they are still a CHRISTIAN
> > > christian station!! even if they do play awsome God 3
> > times
> > > a day and its a 17 year old song! again its better than
> > what
> > > we had!!
> > >
> >
> > Wasn't pastor whatever his names ministry breaks no
> > different? even if you didn't agree with them..
> >
>
> #1. i didnt just disagree with him. i use to go to his
> church..
> #2. larrys spots were boring bland and usually made no sence
> whatsoever...klove is way diffrent. at least the djs have
> personality..and its not geared at one single church. its
> geared to the whole church..
>

Tell us about this "personality" you speak of...because I sure don't hear it.
 
Re: regarding air talent

> Tell us about this "personality" you speak of...because I
> sure don't hear it.

Well, to be fair, this is something they're really pretty good at. What is it that you think is missing?
 
PLEASE DON'T GO THERE...

Seriously...

let's not start knocking the jocks.

It's pretty easy to sit here and start a thread of "so-and-so should do" with specifics, a lot harder to pull off a shift, consistently.

We can certainly discuss format without getting personal.

Thanks,

Elizabeth<P ID="signature">______________
RADIOELIZABETH
Pleasant, Passionate, Persuasive
www.radioelizabeth.com</P>
 
Re: PLEASE DON'T GO THERE...

>what makes them so special that you foam at the mouths when you hear about a new one coming to town? THEY SUCK!

Apparently SmashedCd hasn't heard it when they forcefully threatened to turn off stations after a 3-week pledge drive if they didn't hit 75% of the goal...

or

Calling a listener, on the air, a member of the Christian Taliban...

or

Them "crashing" concerts to promote themselves while not promoting the event on air.

or

Going into markets where a gentlemans agreement was forged to not compete with a local station, and conveniently getting amnesia.
 
Re: PLEASE DON'T GO THERE...

> >what makes them so special that you foam at the mouths when
> you hear about a new one coming to town? THEY SUCK!
>
> Apparently SmashedCd hasn't heard it when they forcefully
> threatened to turn off stations after a 3-week pledge drive
> if they didn't hit 75% of the goal...


i use to hear bob larson do that daily. after 12 years he finally went away.
>
> or
>
> Calling a listener, on the air, a member of the Christian
> Taliban...

i do not believe that happened. got proof?
>
> or
>
> Them "crashing" concerts to promote themselves while not
> promoting the event on air.

wheres the problem?

>
> or
>
> Going into markets where a gentlemans agreement was forged
> to not compete with a local station, and conveniently
> getting amnesia.

??????????????

ok guys i understand you dont like klove. i do. and so does my wife. and a friend of mines entire youth group also loves it. if you dont..just dont listen..please follow e's advise. i have recently.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
note to tvland...bring back wkrp!!!</P>
 
Re: regarding air talent

2 words. jon rivers...


> > > > because what we had SUCKED WORSE!! and their spot
> breaks
> >
> > > are
> > > > ministry breaks!! at least they are still a CHRISTIAN
> > > > christian station!! even if they do play awsome God 3
> > > times
> > > > a day and its a 17 year old song! again its better
> than
> > > what
> > > > we had!!
> > > >
> > >
> > > Wasn't pastor whatever his names ministry breaks no
> > > different? even if you didn't agree with them..
> > >
> >
> > #1. i didnt just disagree with him. i use to go to his
> > church..
> > #2. larrys spots were boring bland and usually made no
> sence
> > whatsoever...klove is way diffrent. at least the djs have
> > personality..and its not geared at one single church. its
> > geared to the whole church..
> >
>
> Tell us about this "personality" you speak of...because I
> sure don't hear it.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
note to tvland...bring back wkrp!!!</P>
 
Re: PLEASE DON'T GO THERE...

Wow...is Audiofile a "person without sin" as Jesus described? There's more rocks being thrown here than Ernest T. Bass ever thought of heaving.

Seriously folks, these seem to be allegations and, lacking ethical substantiation, unworthy of further comment.

If audiofile has documentation, he/she should share it...otherwise we should pray for the folks at K-Love. They are people who Jesus died for too.

Matt Smith
Moderator
 
Re: PLEASE DON'T GO THERE...

Hold on, I was careful to never name a specific person (or even company for that matter). My point was to let SmashedCd know there is two sides the story and there are different perspectives.

I could spill the beans, so to speak, but based on the moderator's comments maybe I gave too much information already. Sorry.
 
Re: PLEASE DON'T GO THERE...

> > >what makes them so special that you foam at the mouths
> when
> > you hear about a new one coming to town? THEY SUCK!
> >
> > Apparently SmashedCd hasn't heard it when they forcefully
> > threatened to turn off stations after a 3-week pledge
> drive
> > if they didn't hit 75% of the goal...
>
>
> i use to hear bob larson do that daily. after 12 years he
> finally went away.
> >
> > or
> >
> > Calling a listener, on the air, a member of the Christian
> > Taliban...
>
> i do not believe that happened. got proof?
> >
> > or
> >
> > Them "crashing" concerts to promote themselves while not
> > promoting the event on air.
>
> wheres the problem?
>
> >
> > or
> >
> > Going into markets where a gentlemans agreement was forged
>
> > to not compete with a local station, and conveniently
> > getting amnesia.
>
> ??????????????
>
> ok guys i understand you dont like klove. i do. and so does
> my wife. and a friend of mines entire youth group also loves
> it. if you dont..just dont listen..please follow e's advise.
> i have recently.
> >
> Ok everybody, I live in a market where there are two Local Fm Religous Stations, I work for one of them. We are smallest FM, and receive less money than the others. I will give K-Love credit for one thing, they have helped the Christian Radio Industry in one way , and that is to spread the music, they have made it cool to listen to Christian Music. They have taken into many areas of this country where persons had no idea hoe Christian Music sounded and has changed over the years. They have also helped my Christian Artits and Labels to promote the music. I don't always agree with their means of their pledge drives and know plenty of stations that have lost pledge money to them along with listeners. But remember if the listeners like what they had then they would have stayed with their local. Some of the markets sure did not provide much deversity in their music program. I know persons who work for K-Love and beleive me I have heard the stories, but you know it comes down to this , they have to live with what they do, God is the one that Judges not us. So Local Christian Stations what can we do to make ourselves better and what can we do yo survive in a K-Love World (because they are going nowhere and they are only going to become stronger. So lets sped our energy on how the locals can survive. God Bless Everyone in Christian Broadcasting!
 
To second that I agree with Elizabeth also.
(I am finally back but there are so many posts ..........Unbelievable chattering going on :) )


I agree with Elizabeth!
>
> Professionally done voicetracking CAN serve the community
> very well! Certainly much better than a 100% nationwide
> feed. Vt'ers can cover weather events, regional news
> stories, community interest programming (blood drives,
> benefit fundraisers, concerts, etc.) Many Voicetrackers are
> available on short notice to recut breaks if a situation
> arises (example: amber alert, traffic jam, etc). Usually
> there is enough local staff to simply cut to special
> programming if the tracker is not available.
>
> Anyway, my point is: 100% satellite stations fed from
> thousands of miles away may provided a decent music format
> that is enjoyed by the listening public (that, in itself, is
> not public service). However, they give NOTHING back to the
> community from which their support comes from. It's like
> telling the community: keep sending the donation check while
> we ignore you...
>
>
>
>
> > Audiofile wrote:
> > "satellite...they don't serve there communities at all"
> >
> >
> > smashedcd wrote:
> > "well a station that is VTed won't either"
> >
> >
> > Disagree. There is no reason a station cannot serve their
> > community even with Voice Tracks. VT Talent has access to
> > every single source a citizen does, and if necessary can
> > travel. (Great way to get the local flavor of your market)
>
> >
> > While travel isn't possible for every Tracker, there are
> > certainly other ways to get and stay plugged in to the
> city.
> > It's no different than working IN town in many cases (like
>
> > jocks working 60 hours a week and never having any time to
>
> > take your kids to the metropark).
> >
> > There are plenty of live jocks who don't know squat about
> > their own communities. It has to do with being CONNECTED
> to
> > your listener.
> >
> > Local radio is great. For weather, traffic, and interviews
>
> > with the town gossip..., but you can get a hometown feel
> > whether you are VTed or not. And programmers can certainly
>
> > plug into a stop set any info breaks necessary for certain
>
> > drive times.
> >
> > What you might be missing are phoners. But not many jocks
> > can pull those off well to begin with, so I doubt it's a
> > compelling enough reason.
> >
> > And events, yes... you must have a presence and promotion.
>
> > Grassroots can grow the station like nothing else around
> at
> > times. But that is not always AIR TALENT.
> >
> > And... as an air talent, if local is your priority when
> > prepping for a break then that is a pretty boring shift.
> > Main Street is not what is on your listener's mind most of
>
> > the time. Sometimes, yes...but certainly not every quarter
>
> > hour.
> >
> > I LOVE my LOCAL LIVE shift. I am absolutely FOR local,
> live
> > radio. Again, just in case you missed it... I AM FOR LOCAL
>
> > LIVE RADIO WHENEVER POSSIBLE.
> >
> > But I am more for GOOD RADIO...and there are some
> situations
> > when in order to have the best, most professional sound, a
>
> > station needs to remote their talent or their feed.
> >
> > Satellite and Tracking may sound like an "evil" end to the
>
> > live jock. But seriously, especially with this
> format...it's
> > a beautiful thing. Imagine being able to program quality
> > talent and save $ while reaching more listeners because
> the
> > station is up to par and not just staffed with anyone in
> > town who doesn't even really care, let alone know, about
> > broadcasting.
> >
> > College radio is great for the newbies...Christian radio
> > ought to be staffed with the pros. Sometimes, that
> > means...outsourcing the talent & programming.
> >
> >
> > e
> >
>
 
> "i noticed neither of you said anything about when its a
> major 50000 member church that owns the station. it may be
> local. but very biased!!"

I think a church being involved with a radio station is a disaster waiting to happen. Pastors are so driven by what the flock thinks that programming music can be an up and down situation (based on whether someone complains or likes a song). Oh and don't let me forget the jealousy that takes place from the Pastor concerning other Pastor's in the area. The pastor must have a show on the air whether it's produced well, interesting or anyone else cares to hear it. Underwriting is based on who the church and pastor likes and if it is a generous pastor, he wants to give all the airtime away free to all of his business friends. Let me add also that the station can be a great way to generate money for the church during those dry times just by dipping in the station account and giving the church a BIG donation. There is no hope of success for the station with this going on, and it does go on. Bad Bad! There is no value put on most church stations - just a trophy for the church.The call for excellence disappears in most cases. There may be some exceptions but if so, let me know. So far, I haven't witnessed any. I have some personal experience here I am relating.
 
Re: Voice Tracking

The average listener, for the most part, doesn't know if a show is being voice tracked or not. Surprising how many do not realize they are listening to a satellite show. Today's FM DJ is far less animated with way less personality than their former AM Top 40 DJ's were in the 50's and 60's. Anyone from that time has fond memories of their favorite local jocks at their favorite Top 40 station. So in contrast to then, today with this more bland style of presentation that is what makes up FM today it is easier to get away with VT. That's not a slam on today's jocks, the style has changed from personality radio of the 50's and 60's to a more vanilla presentation. My guess is, today's listeners wouldn't like hearing the jocks of by gone years. Way too much personality than they'd probably want today. It's a different world now than it was back in the late 1950's and 1960's when radio was different, just as TV was different. Leave It to Beaver, Bonanza, Ed Sullivan, were top rated shows then. They get shown today on cable, but the networks are not producing shows that remotely resemble these shows as today's target demo audience would not watch them.

I've asked kids in our church's youth group to name the DJ's on the local CCM station. These kids to listen to the station and know the music and the artists, but couldn't name any of the jocks. That's why stations can get away with VT. The demo listeners they are targeting don't care about that stuff.

Also with today's technology, and the ability for the Voice tracker to have local id's, etc in their voice, the average listener just doesn't notice. Even if you are airing a network show from a satellite, the DJ has local calls and frequencies they use plus there are local avails and places even to place local weather/traffic. Our local CCM station, WXHL, is completely VTracked. Most folks do not realize it. They are blessed with the music and what the on air person says (they don't realize the person may be 3000 miles away). My guess is Voice tracking is a less expensive way to do a program today than having a stable full of live local talent with all the various personnell issues, etc that you have with local talent. That's why the stations go to the trouble of doing VT and satellite programming. The all important bottom line.

The new technology is changing radio again, just as magnetic tape on reel to reel changed radio in the 1950's and later on carts in the 1960's and 70's changed radio back again. Look at it this way, the voice tracked and satellite programmed local terrestial radio station is a bit more personalized with local info (traffic/weather/ possibly some local news/ local spots, etc, than it's XM counterpart.

Do I long for the "good ole days" to come back in radio, sure I do, because radio was far more fun and exciting for both the listener and the broadcaster, but I also realize time never goes backward and the new technology will drive what radio will become in the future especially if it brings a cost savings. That is what is referred to as progress. It's the same in industry. For example, Mechanical Engineers used to use slide rules and drew all their very detailed drawings by hand and then used a complicated system to copy that made what was called blue prints that weren't as clear as the original back in the 1960's. Today, they use a CAD CAM computer that can be programmed so it draws excellent drawings much quicker than an engineer could do by hand and then sends perfect copies anywhere in the world instantly via the internet. Companies don't need as many engineers as they used to, as the new technology drives what happenes, especially if it saves them money.

The only Earthly thing you can count on is that there will be constant change. Radio will continue to change, just as any industry must change with the times or become obsolute and then go out of business.
 
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