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shooter and hank 3

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any stations on the fm dial anywhere in the country playing any of the new shooter or hank 3 stuff..i have both albums and i am about to wear them out already :) ..especially the hank 3..possibly the greatest country album in the past 20 years!! i can listen to dick in dixie over and over again!!! of course since he is give the establishment the big fu no one will probably touch it. like how the label is not curb its bruc...they dont eevn want to associate with him it seems..<P ID="signature">______________
note to the NAB..satellite radio..its worth paying for!!</P>
 
Curb's problem with Hank III is that Hank wants to be a punk rocker along with being a country honky tonker, so marketing him is a bit of a challenge for the label. The conflict Hank III has is that Curb will not release the rock stuff he's recorded and he's been very public about his displeasure with the label.

As for the big "f-u"...it's generally not a good idea to bite the hand that feeds you.


> any stations on the fm dial anywhere in the country playing
> any of the new shooter or hank 3 stuff..i have both albums
> and i am about to wear them out already :) ..especially the
> hank 3..possibly the greatest country album in the past 20
> years!! i can listen to dick in dixie over and over again!!!
> of course since he is give the establishment the big fu no
> one will probably touch it. like how the label is not curb
> its bruc...they dont eevn want to associate with him it
> seems..
>
 
really how are you (the industry) feeding him..you want play his records!! oh and hes not trying to be a punk rocker..assjack is a death metal band..hes also in superjoint ritual with phil from pantera..


> Curb's problem with Hank III is that Hank wants to be a punk
> rocker along with being a country honky tonker, so marketing
> him is a bit of a challenge for the label. The conflict
> Hank III has is that Curb will not release the rock stuff
> he's recorded and he's been very public about his
> displeasure with the label.
>
> As for the big "f-u"...it's generally not a good idea to
> bite the hand that feeds you.
>
>
> > any stations on the fm dial anywhere in the country
> playing
> > any of the new shooter or hank 3 stuff..i have both albums
>
> > and i am about to wear them out already :) ..especially
> the
> > hank 3..possibly the greatest country album in the past 20
>
> > years!! i can listen to dick in dixie over and over
> again!!!
> > of course since he is give the establishment the big fu no
>
> > one will probably touch it. like how the label is not curb
>
> > its bruc...they dont eevn want to associate with him it
> > seems..
> >
>
<P ID="signature">______________
note to the NAB..satellite radio..its worth paying for!!</P>
 
Hank III has a major record label deal and obviously enough people are buying his CDs to keep him fed. Oddly enough, there actually are artists out there that can earn a living without getting much radio airplay (and I actually go out and purchase CDs from some of them, so that's how I keep them fed). As for punk rock vs. death metal...is there really that much of a difference between the two, especially to the ears of most country listeners? To them its obnoxious noise. The point isn't to try stick the proper label on what Hank III is trying to do with his career...the point is that as an artist, he's so schizophrenic that he's a marketing nightmare for his record label.

For the record, I kind of like Hank III's music but I realize that most of our listeners don't. The few that do like him have likely already gotten their XM or Sirius radios by now, but they still listen to us for the things they can't get from XM or Sirius. I'm certainly not in favor of driving away 10 listeners for every Hank III fan we would make happy.


> really how are you (the industry) feeding him..you want play
> his records!! oh and hes not trying to be a punk
> rocker..assjack is a death metal band..hes also in
> superjoint ritual with phil from pantera..
>
>
> > Curb's problem with Hank III is that Hank wants to be a
> punk
> > rocker along with being a country honky tonker, so
> marketing
> > him is a bit of a challenge for the label. The conflict
> > Hank III has is that Curb will not release the rock stuff
> > he's recorded and he's been very public about his
> > displeasure with the label.
> >
> > As for the big "f-u"...it's generally not a good idea to
> > bite the hand that feeds you.
> >
> >
> > > any stations on the fm dial anywhere in the country
> > playing
> > > any of the new shooter or hank 3 stuff..i have both
> albums
> >
> > > and i am about to wear them out already :) ..especially
> > the
> > > hank 3..possibly the greatest country album in the past
> 20
> >
> > > years!! i can listen to dick in dixie over and over
> > again!!!
> > > of course since he is give the establishment the big fu
> no
> >
> > > one will probably touch it. like how the label is not
> curb
> >
> > > its bruc...they dont eevn want to associate with him it
> > > seems..
> > >
> >
>
 
My question is Shooter's new album came out today... I take it you already burning yourself out on it? and are you one of those willing to buy his collector's album as well as the cd.

And I agree with Keith, some can get some good music on, but most traditional (and current pop country) country listeners are not ready for eiter one unfortuneately (as I've heard Hank IIIs concerts are just like what he does, flip from rock to hardcore country and back.

RFLA
 
> My question is Shooter's new album came out today... I take
> it you already burning yourself out on it? and are you one
> of those willing to buy his collector's album as well as the
> cd.
>
> And I agree with Keith, some can get some good music on, but
> most traditional (and current pop country) country listeners
> are not ready for eiter one unfortuneately (as I've heard
> Hank IIIs concerts are just like what he does, flip from
> rock to hardcore country and back.
>
> RFLA
>
his concerts are set 1..hard core country..set 2..death metal with the assjack band. he just came to baton rouge id didnt get to go but i know people who did..they also saw crass canadian ragweed..i was told both bands were great
and yes i am playing the shooter cd over and over again..rotating it with the new hank 3..so i am listning to 2 cds over and over again..i also just got garage from ragweed... <P ID="signature">______________
note to the NAB..satellite radio..its worth paying for!!</P>
 
Pills I Took is been good for us at Lone Star 92.5 (Hank III) in College Station. We still are looking for a new Shooter single to play- Southern Comfort is going well right now for us, too.

By the way, if you spin III and Shooter, check out Jarrod Birmingham's new one "If You Don't Like Me" , also Norah Jones Little Willies project "Best of Both Possible Worlds"

Davery
 
Hank III didn't he have a Dad who tried to imitate his daddy and then go into a drunken rage and curse out the fans? But Hank III did have one hell of a grand-daddy, if I remember right.

Anyone remember his grand-daddy? I know it's hard, since it was 53 years ago, and his music is long forgotten, and his sound is drowned out by Garth wannabes, but he is the grand dad whose sound has yet to even be matched, let alone topped. Even really good country gold artists like Ray Price and Faron Young fell just a little short of old grand-dad's caliber. They tried to match him, did well, but fell short. Luckily Ray Price came up with his own sound. Poor Faron, well what Nashville did to him is tragic and should be saved for another day when his story can get more justice, today it's about Hank.

Luke the Drifter? Whodat? Luke? I have studied some great philosophers in my time. Nothing speaks to my soul more than listening to Luke the Drifter talk about the pain that resonates in the heart of regular people that feel real hurt. Maybe Toby Keith can carry that torch. DOn't hold your breath.

I'm sorry if I am speaking of someone the Nashville Pop establishment has forgotten about or never knew, but Hank III had a grand-daddy who could do more at 29 years old than most people could hope to do in their entire lives!

Imagine if Hank would have made it to old age! It's spectacular to think that all of his recordings came before 1 January 1953, and came before he was 29 and 3 months or so. He was mature beyond his years, and sang like he had 80 years of heartaches instead of just a few. He at times really sounded like an old man. However, I suppose the right amount of whiskey can add to the aging process. It takes years from your life, and life from your years. The lack of life is what inspired Hank, but unfortunately it went too far.

But I guess one must be realistic , Nashville, in the search for green would still have forgotten about him. Had he lived, he would have been rudely shoved to the side.

Again, I apologize for offending the Nashville-Pop apologists, I know its painful listening to the same 12 songs over and over again, and acting like you like them, and trying to promote them to the fans. I know it's hard to hear about artists of quality, when none of them are on the charts right now.

You know and I know that the charts are misleading. IT's the top songs that the gate-keepers let in the gate, it is not the best in Country music. There is a difference!
 
Hank III's grand-daddy took a lot of flak from country traditionalists for introducing an electric instrument...the steel guitar...to what was at the time an acoustic format.

I finally got the chance to listen to Hank III's new album...and I'm quite positive that a concept album about endlessly getting drunk and stoned isn't going to appeal to the typical country radio listener, especially the soccer mom driving around her kids in the minivan. I don't think she wants to hear singers on the radio talking about popping pills.

Anyway, if Hank III is actually doing the things he's singing about on his new album, he's well on his way to an early grave just like his grand-daddy.

By the way, you haven't offended me...but I do think you have to keep in mind that a lot of country programmers have a great deal of knowledge of and respect for country music's traditions...but they also have a job and that job is getting ratings. Decry Nashville's search for green all you want, but if the station I work for decides to stop playing Kenny Chesney or Tim McGraw in favor of Hank III or Shooter Jennings, then a year from now I'd likely be working at a grocery store or something after receiving my pink slip.


> Hank III didn't he have a Dad who tried to imitate his daddy
> and then go into a drunken rage and curse out the fans? But
> Hank III did have one hell of a grand-daddy, if I remember
> right.
>
> Anyone remember his grand-daddy? I know it's hard, since it
> was 53 years ago, and his music is long forgotten, and his
> sound is drowned out by Garth wannabes, but he is the grand
> dad whose sound has yet to even be matched, let alone
> topped. Even really good country gold artists like Ray Price
> and Faron Young fell just a little short of old grand-dad's
> caliber. They tried to match him, did well, but fell short.
> Luckily Ray Price came up with his own sound. Poor Faron,
> well what Nashville did to him is tragic and should be saved
> for another day when his story can get more justice, today
> it's about Hank.
>
> Luke the Drifter? Whodat? Luke? I have studied some great
> philosophers in my time. Nothing speaks to my soul more than
> listening to Luke the Drifter talk about the pain that
> resonates in the heart of regular people that feel real
> hurt. Maybe Toby Keith can carry that torch. DOn't hold your
> breath.
>
> I'm sorry if I am speaking of someone the Nashville Pop
> establishment has forgotten about or never knew, but Hank
> III had a grand-daddy who could do more at 29 years old than
> most people could hope to do in their entire lives!
>
> Imagine if Hank would have made it to old age! It's
> spectacular to think that all of his recordings came before
> 1 January 1953, and came before he was 29 and 3 months or
> so. He was mature beyond his years, and sang like he had 80
> years of heartaches instead of just a few. He at times
> really sounded like an old man. However, I suppose the right
> amount of whiskey can add to the aging process. It takes
> years from your life, and life from your years. The lack of
> life is what inspired Hank, but unfortunately it went too
> far.
>
> But I guess one must be realistic , Nashville, in the search
> for green would still have forgotten about him. Had he
> lived, he would have been rudely shoved to the side.
>
> Again, I apologize for offending the Nashville-Pop
> apologists, I know its painful listening to the same 12
> songs over and over again, and acting like you like them,
> and trying to promote them to the fans. I know it's hard to
> hear about artists of quality, when none of them are on the
> charts right now.
>
> You know and I know that the charts are misleading. IT's the
> top songs that the gate-keepers let in the gate, it is not
> the best in Country music. There is a difference!
>
 
> > Anyone remember his grand-daddy? I know it's hard, since
> it
> > was 53 years ago, and his music is long forgotten, and his
>
> > sound is drowned out by Garth wannabes, but he is the
> grand
> > dad whose sound has yet to even be matched, let alone
> > topped.

What is surprising if his music is forgotten, Why is it that a lot of today's pop country stars look to Sr. and Jr as influences (or at least claim to).. Usually saying Sr.'s name more often.


> > Luke the Drifter? Whodat? Luke? I have studied some great
> > philosophers in my time. Nothing speaks to my soul more
> than
> > listening to Luke the Drifter talk about the pain that
> > resonates in the heart of regular people that feel real
> > hurt. Maybe Toby Keith can carry that torch. DOn't hold
> your
> > breath.
> >

I give you that old Hank knew pain..even though some of it was his own making, He did what all the great writers seem to do.. don't imagine it but instead live it...write it..sing it....

Toby Keith, when he first came out, was a average country artist..plain and simple... The image I think is what made Keith... Be patrioitc to the core.. talk to the blue collar with songs of bars and patriotic themes... yep got a great formula that at times is starting to get old for some of us. Talk about a artist who's trying hard to focus on a demo it seems.

Truthfully the Honky Tonk lifestyle writing that Hank was famous for isn't really being done by anyone... Maybe some from the Texas scene like Kevin Fowler (who had a top 40 I beleive it was with "not drinkin' anymore") could follow in the ideals.. not the lifestyle but at least the ideals.


> > Again, I apologize for offending the Nashville-Pop
> > apologists, I know its painful listening to the same 12
> > songs over and over again, and acting like you like them,
> > and trying to promote them to the fans. I know it's hard
> to
> > hear about artists of quality, when none of them are on
> the
> > charts right now.

They do try to push those artists..definitely not like a Tim Mcgraw or a Kenny Chesney, but a lot of times it's between country MDs who find that it's almost difficult to put something like a Hank III in rotation with a decision even where do I stick it in the rotation without at least half of the audience calling What was that, and to get that off ... and maybe the very few who would call with support (depending upon market and their taste for alt. country).

I find CMT,GAC,and sat radio and the like would probably be the best places to introduce listeners to Hank III and Shooter (they are not competeing for the dollar in a market with another station down the hall or across town that will take your listeners.. They get PAID (READ MONEY MAKING) no matter what, so they can take chances... Wanna pay x amount per person in an area? Then a station could play whatever new song came out and not have to worry about the dime (Like CMT and GAC do charging cable cos. for having the stations or get paid per subscriber like XM or Sirius)

... I find their listeners (alt country) are the ones who are either looking for something different in country or came to country from alternative looking for a alternative... I am a music fan of classic, contemporary and a lot of the Texas scene.. maybe why a Hank III or Shooter is a good background style cd for me personally, not something I would maybe want to hear working in the yard, or on a construction crew (for example)...


> I finally got the chance to listen to Hank III's new
> album...and I'm quite positive that a concept album about
> endlessly getting drunk and stoned isn't going to appeal to
> the typical country radio listener, especially the soccer
> mom driving around her kids in the minivan. I don't think
> she wants to hear singers on the radio talking about popping
> pills.

I heard it on CMT (Hank III new cd), from what I heard, very traditional country sound from granddad's era ..But I agree with Keith.. talk about every stereotype that country has been trying to get away from presented in a album. great album for the listeners who like traditional 50's style song like that (Like I do personally ).. But fact is most classic country stations shy away from this kind of country sound (staying with a more polished 60s and later sound).. You think a modern country station is gonna try something this traditional (that even classic country stays away from minus maybe Hank Sr.)? If Hank III polished it up a little more in a style of Alan Jackson, I may say yeah it could possibly see airtime more often but in it's current style nope (don't hate it, just general populance don't like change, and a few of the newer country fans hate yesterday's twang)...


> By the way, you haven't offended me...but I do think you
> have to keep in mind that a lot of country programmers have
> a great deal of knowledge of and respect for country music's
> traditions...but they also have a job and that job is
> getting ratings.

Depending upon the MD/PD, you will be surprised at the kind of music library and tastes that they have (a few I know are heavy classic country as well as current country, even digging up tracks I didn't know existed)... But unlike a party where it's a few friends that usually have like tastes.. think having to take the listening tastes of many people, a lot of them you will never know but who do spend money at the advertiser who pays the stations bills... and that's why country plays the Garth wannabe's as you call them...


BTW, Wanna hear a program that may be sort of to your liking? try the BBC country music programs of Nick Barraclough and Bob Harris (Nick mixes nashville pop with bluegrass and alt country, Bob is more alt country all the way)... Oh and it's national and it's played in the UK cause every radio there has a yearly Tax on it that is used to support the BBC (no advertisers to worry about).. But is a program I try to catch when I can (it's weekly)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/barraclough/playlist.shtml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/bobharriscountry/playlist.shtml


Something to consider... making and taking a alt country program to NPR or PRI if you are looking to expand the format's boundries (like Bluegrass enjoys on some NPR stations)


RFLA
 
I actually think before I write these things, and then think again before I press delete or erase. Things just have a way of making it on here I guess. But then again, if I shutup, then there is one less person holding out for the day when the Nashville-Pop industry finally takes stock in itself and can become Country Music again, and holding out for the day when musicians, DJs and listeners alike honor their music. It may be a goal unreachable in this lifetime, but it would be good to have quality Country Music on the Billboard Charts again.

Not honoring the artists of the past is like someone having to miss their mother's funeral for a business trip. These are the people who made Nashville. However, when Buck Owens dies, you can't even hear one song from him in its entirety on the Nashville Pop stations. They are afraid they will lose a little of that green if they took the time to actually honor the music or the artform.

It works on soul stations, they do 'old school' all the time. Then there's classic rock and oldies stations. Rock n' Roll is aptly honored. With Country music, even the classic country stations are afraid to play any song that might have an ounce of fiddle or steel guitar, they are no better than the pop stations that play the new songs. What is the aversion to the fiddle, steel guitar, and dobro about?

Why does the Country Music industry hate Country Music and why do they do their best to sound like anything but Country? Hard rock is available in every market, why can't some of these artists try for rock stations if they want to play rock? The Kentucky Headbangers from the 90's might still be around if they would have tried to get on rock stations, instead of polluting Country airwaves with awful versions of a Don Gibson song. Soft rock already plays Shania, Faith Hill, Lone Star, and Little Texas. Why not just go into adult AC and save Country Music the trouble?

Give to soft rock what is soft rock and to hard rock what is hard rock, so that Country stations can play Country music again.
 
Honoring the music vs. honoring the listeners

Let me examine this quote from you: "...if I shutup, then there is one less person holding out for the day when the Nashville-Pop industry finally takes stock in itself and can become Country Music again, and holding out for the day when musicians, DJs and listeners alike honor their music." (the emphasis on "listeners" is mine).

There's the crux of your problem...honoring the music is a problem when our listeners are wanting to hear Kenny Chesney, Tim McGraw, Toby Keith, Keith Urban, Rascal Flatts, etc. They're certainly not clamoring for Hank III or Shooter Jennings. Keep in mind, this is a radio board, not a country music board and our number one priority is to take care of our listeners...it's not to educate them. Your problem is far beyond the scope of country radio, it goes clear to the Nashville music machine which is something we have very little control over. If we in radio try to honor the music by replacing Kenny Chesney with Hank III or Tim McGraw with Shooter Jennings, then our listeners are going to migrate to those stations (we have several around us) playing Chesney or McGraw and then I'm out of a job. Country music doesn't pay my salary, our advertisers do. The biggest thing that I've learned in my 20 years of working in country radio is that if you come in with an artistic mindset, then you're going to be bitterly disappointed in how the business works because most of your listeners don't share that same mindset (the moment I accepted that is when my radio career started taking off). Trust me, there are piles of CDs sitting on my desk that I'd love to play on the air because I love the music, but I also know that it is stuff that most our listeners aren't going to like. There are country radio PDs and MDs out there that have a great deal of affection for the traditions of country music (myself included) while there are others that really don't care, but the common demoninator of both is that they have a job and that job is to get ratings. If you don't get ratings, you're not doing your job and you'll get fired. It's that simple.

By the way, what's interesting about your quote above is that you could've made it in 1962, and it would've been as valid then as it is now. It reminds me of what Chet Atkins said when critics accused him of abandoning country music traditions because of his pop-sounding productions. Chet said simply "my job is to sell records", and he certainly did.

> I actually think before I write these things, and then think
> again before I press delete or erase. Things just have a
> way of making it on here I guess. But then again, if I
> shutup, then there is one less person holding out for the
> day when the Nashville-Pop industry finally takes stock in
> itself and can become Country Music again, and holding out
> for the day when musicians, DJs and listeners alike honor
> their music. It may be a goal unreachable in this lifetime,
> but it would be good to have quality Country Music on the
> Billboard Charts again.
>
> Not honoring the artists of the past is like someone having
> to miss their mother's funeral for a business trip. These
> are the people who made Nashville. However, when Buck Owens
> dies, you can't even hear one song from him in its entirety
> on the Nashville Pop stations. They are afraid they will
> lose a little of that green if they took the time to
> actually honor the music or the artform.
>
> It works on soul stations, they do 'old school' all the
> time. Then there's classic rock and oldies stations. Rock n'
> Roll is aptly honored. With Country music, even the classic
> country stations are afraid to play any song that might have
> an ounce of fiddle or steel guitar, they are no better than
> the pop stations that play the new songs. What is the
> aversion to the fiddle, steel guitar, and dobro about?
>
> Why does the Country Music industry hate Country Music and
> why do they do their best to sound like anything but
> Country? Hard rock is available in every market, why can't
> some of these artists try for rock stations if they want to
> play rock? The Kentucky Headbangers from the 90's might
> still be around if they would have tried to get on rock
> stations, instead of polluting Country airwaves with awful
> versions of a Don Gibson song. Soft rock already plays
> Shania, Faith Hill, Lone Star, and Little Texas. Why not
> just go into adult AC and save Country Music the trouble?
>
> Give to soft rock what is soft rock and to hard rock what is
> hard rock, so that Country stations can play Country music
> again.
>
 
since i started this topic i have found hank 3 on fm radio..thanks to new country 99.1 kxkc lafayyete, la for adding the new single. and in return i have found a new country station that i can listen to. it seems to be diffrent than the other new country station in town. my wifes remark of..that doesnt sound pop to me also tells me it sounds diffrent. she doent like kxkc btw ;D its too country ;)
 
..and you said new country was hokey :p That's what I've said in numerous places all along... if you do it in a style that introduces new elements to a listener but keep them in familiar territory, they are more accepting of change than full on pop-country... or at least that's my opinion for our general area in Louisiana/Texas/Miss or so.Keith could do better in ideas on east coast ideas for examples......The "other" new country station in town has a bad habit of rerunning songs that are sometimes burnt on people, whereas I find the station you talk of smashed has a habit of being a little more open...But being in market 103 (Lafayette) makes it a little easier to MD than 83 (Baton Rouge) or 47 (New Orleans pre Katrina) for more tastes...
 
guess you are right. smaller the market..better the station :) can you catch k106??? 105.7?? try it one night . see if you can pick it up. i have no problem geting it here. its 100,000 watts..buts its a 400 foot stick ..
 
I can catch it on skip only as it's 100 miles from my location and is between a standards station (on 105.5) and a local urban (105.9).. I usually have better luck with Natchez and US 96.3 from Jackson than 105.7...But yep found smaller towns are better when it comes for more variety due to the fact that choices are less. But the station you mentioned (KXKC) has always had a thing for new music.I find it's not the number in the ratings (in size of town) but attitudes in radio in the market as sometimes you have a market like Shreveport,La. which is pretty much corporate cookie cutter even with it being lower than Lafayette in the overall size of the market .RFLA
 
I heard a certain Shooter song via "politically UN-correct" Gretchen 99.9 (an HD2 station put out by Florida'sWKIS). Good song but i thought, will broadcast country radio play it; ARE they playing it? Their concern might be the title:put the O Back in Country...do they think the title alone will offend people ? offend advertisers? (the HD2 station is ad-free)http://www.shooterjennings.com/flash/(I think I also heard a song on Gretchen that had a--hole in the lyrics. There's another one prob not heardon broadcast country stations!)
 
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