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Short Attention Span TV

I notice that NBC heavily edits shows like America's Got Talent and Hollywood Game Night. They're reality shows or game shows, yet the producers edit them like crazy. Nothing can happen in real time. Everything's chopped up so it happens much faster.

For instance, we see an act taking with Nick Cannon in the wings, about to go on stage in AGT. But then in an instant, they're already at center stage. Are we too impatient to watch them walk out? The judges talk but they're words are edited down to single sentences. You KNOW Howard Stern doesn't really talk in single sentences. Then he wants to go up and hug a child who just finished his act. But in an instant, he's on stage hugging the child.

Same with Game Night. Jane Lynch calls two celebrities to come up and do a quiz. But in an instant they're standing next to her. You see a celebrity make a joke and the person next to them has their hands on their lap. Then the camera cuts to their reaction but their hands are at their sides. Obviously, the producers just cut out one or two seconds between the two takes.

BTW, there's a three second rule for all takes on AGT. Everytime the camera looks at something, it can only last for one, two or three seconds. That's it. After three seconds, there has to be another take. Even if someone is crying we can't stay with them for more than 3 seconds. Even if a woman is at the bottom of a pool trying to get out of handcuffs and a straight jacket, we can only see her for three seconds at a time, max. Then the camera has to cut to something else.

This is crazy. Real time has to be edited? Real emotion is too boring? Am I too old fashioned to think a good host and a good show doesn't need to be so heavily edited? And are we so easily bored that we can't watch a single take more than three seconds. If they go to four seconds, we'll change the channel?

I even look at today's kids shows and see how much more noisy and frantic and fast they are, even for young viewers. But younsters are not savvy viewers. Today's three-year old is really no different than three-year olds from decades ago, when we thought the slowly moving, gentle Mr. Rogers was just fine. Even cartoons like Bugs Bunny, while sometimes noisy and even violent, weren't as frantic as today's Sponge Bob is. But kids are basically the same. They haven't had time to get sophisticated enough to want faster reality. They're still learning to talk and think at real time.

Are the producers simply doing what they think is cool, what they think we want? Do they really think they'll get more viewers if they keep turning up the speed and the editing, to the point where they even have to edit real time? OK, maybe the old days of a single camera take of Perry Mason talking to a client for several minutes is too long. But do camera takes have to be shortened to a maximum of three seconds?
 
Gregg said:
Are the producers simply doing what they think is cool, what they think we want? Do they really think they'll get more viewers if they keep turning up the speed and the editing, to the point where they even have to edit real time?

Let me get something straight: Those of us who work in broadcasting don't do what we do for ourselves. It's a job, like any other job. The reason why TV shows move quickly is because the audience has little patience for dead air. We can see it in the ratings and in the tests we do with live audiences.

MTV began the concept of quick cuts in TV shows. Based on the style of editing and use of music, NBC sought a TV show they called "MTV Cops." We now know the show as Miami Vice.

It's been 30 years of quick cuts on TV. Twenty years ago, a producer came up with the "flying camera." It began once again in music videos, but it's now a technique you see in all live music shows, including America Idol. It's a camera on a crane that swoops in front of the stage to make a still shot become more active.

Real time is boring. Real time is filled with dead air. Dead air is death to ratings. People watch TV to escape real life and real time. As I said, it's nothing new, and the audience has been conditioned to this style of editing for more than a generation.
 
TheBigA said:
MTV began the concept of quick cuts in TV shows.

I'd give most of the credit to The Monkees and Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In. Both of them used quick cuts many years before MTV. MTV just made it more mainstream.

IIRC, Ernie Kovacs used them on occasion as well. And that was in the late '50s and early '60s.
 
You're not going to like the way they do auditions with judges. American Idol and X-Factor both came to our market. Each show's recording occurred in two phases. There was a mass audition session for the producers at a large venue. Two months later, the call-backs returned for an audition in front of the judges in a loft space, edited to make it look like both auditions took place at the same time.

Real time production takes a lot longer than an hour.
 
ansky212 said:
They need to do quick cuts to allow for more commercial time. That's the real reason.

Films are produced the same way, and they don't have commercials. Try watching some "action/adventure" shows from the 50s and early 60s (77 Sunset Strip, Surfside 6, etc.) on one of the retro TV channels. They seem very slow, and move at a snail's pace. Then check out a late 60s-70s shows (Hawaii Five-0, Streets of San Francisco) - they are definitely faster paced - and this was before MTV became a big influence. In fact, the opening themes of these two shows were notable for their fast cuts.

Finally, compare those to some current action show like the new Hawaii Five-0. I've often wondered if you transplorted a typical TV viewer from the 1950s to today and made him watch a current action movie - if they'd even be able to follow it, or just get dizzy.

It's not just the MTV influence - it's video games, computers, and all the other technologies that divide our attention these days. As for short attention spans....uh...what were we talking about again?
 
I think shows like "Laugh-In" perfected the technique. I recall the oldest "Burns and Allen" radio shows were like "Laugh-In." No plot, throw away jokes and it was fast.

In these shows Gracie and George weren't married. They were married in real life but not on their show. Then George changed the format to a sitcom husband and wife theme.

But you'd often see Gracie turn and tell a joke for no reason. And the rest of the cast would do that. They had "Glendale" jokes similar to "Downtown Burbank" on "Laugh-In."

I think commercials and editing do contribute because now TV writers know they are constantly editing shows they may write an "A-Plot" with a solid 15 minutes and the "B-plot" will be a throw-a-way editable rest of the show.

Records have gone in the reverse. Remember when a radio hit had to be under 3 minutes ("American Pie" not-with-standing). I love old music from the 30s and 40s and the times were often under 2 minutes. Except jazz records or swing sound which would have 1 minutes of vocals and 4 or 5 minutes of music.
 
This has got to be one of the silliest threads I have ever seen on these boards. The OP thinks that watching people slowly amble out on stage makes for quality television? No, there are people who actually make a living preventing these sort of things from ever showing up on TV. They're called editors.

Sheesh.
 
No, not amble out. Walk briskly out. The most popular game shows don't edit real time, Wheel of Fortune, Family Feud, Jeopardy. When the announcer on Price Is Right says "Jenny Smith, c'mon down!" we actually see an excited Jenny Smith leave her seat, get a few hugs and high fives, as she briskly walks down to Contestants' Row. They don't edit her so she's suddenly in Contestants' Row.

Think of your favorite shows. They don't have three second take rules. If something interesting or dramatic or emotional is happening, the editors don't have go to another take every three seconds. That's too fast. Some takes should be fast, some should be slow. If someone is crying because they've been chosen to move onto the next round of AGT, we shouldn't be limited to only three seconds of their tears. If someone is about to shoot an apple off his girlfriend's head, we should watch the tension build as he aims. Again, a three second rule is crazy.
 
Gregg said:
Think of your favorite shows. They don't have three second take rules.

Sorry but my favorite shows aren't game shows. The production values for a daily show are different for a weekly. Daytime TV vs Prime Time. Lots of differences. The bigger the money, the higher the production values.

Consider that three seconds after they name a winner, we'll forget who won. None of it matters.
 
Wheel Of Fortune is heavily edited. But unless you were a game show geek, you wouldn't know that. Invariably, entire turns are edited out (three consecutive consonant misses or lose a turn spins) as well as some of Pat's final spins.
 
The Price is Right was produced live-to-tape when Bob Barker was hosting, but since Drew Carey took over, I've noticed that they've edit the opening of the show when people make it down to Contestants' Row.

Even every now and then, you'll hear the disclaimer at the end of certain game shows that an episode "was edited for broadcast".
 
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