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Shortwave on a regular radio?

Just had some all-too-rare free time this afternoon here in Thornville, Ohio, and was flipping around the dial on a Sharp radio I guess you could have called a boom box back in the day. Has a dial for a tuner. Anyway, from about 1300 and up I was hearing stations I've never heard before on any other radio transmitting mostly religious programs. I recognized Brother Stair's voice on a loud signal up in the mid 1600s and again tucked between locals WCLT (1430/Newark, Ohio) and WBNS (1460/Columbus). There was another talker in the mid 1300s, and yet another religious voice down around 685 or 690, not far to the left of WLW.
The reason I'm stumped is I've NEVER heard any of these stations on any other radios in this area. None of the frequencies where these programs came in match any stations nearby, or at least any that should come in well here. Is it possible I'm catching shortwave broadcasts on a regular radio?
I will try to get this on video and upload it at some point, whether that's today or in the near future.
Any input is appreciated!
 
This happened to me a while ago when I was picking up WEWN on a regular AM radio. An explanation was posted here:
http://www.wtfda.info/showthread.php?3777-WEWN-Shortwave-Heard-on-AM&p=10418#post10418

Basically your radio is picking up the harmonics of the shortwave signal. Since shortwave uses the same amplitude modulation method as AM radio you are able to hear the signal. You'll notice that the tuning knob is much more sensitive (you have to be more precise) when picking up these shortwave stations because there is a multiplier effect. If your area is like mine there are really strong religious stations on shortwave during the day. For me WEWN, WWRB and WWCR are the most common ones to create harmonics.
 
I remember some of my radios doing that.....

Some that have old style analog tuning, and maybe with less-expensively-made "innards", put out a whistle along with the shortwave signal.

Not totally sure, but mine occurred prior to the days of WEWN/WWRB/WWCR---I wanna say that I was getting VOA.

Oh yeah---it's been a long time since it's happened with me, but I think that if I held onto the built-in antenna rod, the SW signal would belt out; leave it alone, and it's not there....

cd
 
Spunker, I'm curious if these harmonics are location specific? By that I mean, do they occur more often in a certain location than others. I'd get these harmonics, on certain radios, at my mother's place, in Brockville, Ontario, but do not have these problems where I live, 10/15 miles north of Brockville. Does house wiring play a role perhaps?

BTW, I used to full around with things, like wrapping the ferrite bar antenna of my old Pioneer receiver, with aluminium foil...and the entire AM band would be filled with SW stations. Why would it do that? :D

~BG
 
Cheap radios like Sharps are notorious for overloading and these are in reality, images of shortwave broadcasters rather than harmonics (I'm sure there is a mathematical equation that works).
 
borderblaster said:
Cheap radios like Sharps are notorious for overloading and these are in reality, images of shortwave broadcasters rather than harmonics (I'm sure there is a mathematical equation that works).

Images?
 
BTW, I used to full around with things, like wrapping the ferrite bar antenna of my old Pioneer receiver, with aluminium foil...and the entire AM band would be filled with SW stations. Why would it do that?

We lived in a camper while building our house. If I wanted to hear shortwave an the AM band, I would just turn on my Sony portable inside that metal encasement and start scanning. It was crazy. :D I would hold the radio out the front door and the AM band would return to normal. It didn't affect the table radio that was hooked up to a camper outlet, though.

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Years ago the FCC granted a license to a small station in Dallas, GA on 1500 kHz. Needless to say, the station always had signal problems - sitting right on 750/WSB's harmonic ::).
 
Thanks for the input guys. I plan to try later tonight as well and see if these signals still are coming through after nightfall (which actually was less than an hour ago). One thing I noticed when I was just out taking a walk ... a house about 200 yards from here has what looks like a CB tower out in their backyard. It's got to be among the tallest points in the village considering it's on top of a hill. Wonder if that has anything to do with it?
 
Digital readout radios have notoriously been worse than analog readout radios with anything involving intermodulation, blanketing, images, and harmonic images, unless they are near top of the line communications receivers designed to take care of all those problems. The harmonic images are caused by the oscillator harmonics, which can be above or below the tuned SW freqeuncy. Just figure out the oscillator frequency, find 2 times, three times, take the IF frequency and subtract or add from the fundamental frequency.
 
Some radios get it and some don't. The worst one for me is an old Llyods receiver from the late 80s/early 90s. Its actually a lot harder to notice at night since the band is full of skywave stations. But during the day it gets many images from the big religious shortwave stations. They seem to be the ones that send the most power my way, with around 70dbuV signals during the day when I tune them on my Tecsun. There is a steel roof on the house, not sure if that has any effect.
 
borderblaster said:
That's what they are called, obviously not visual. a harmonic is a multiple of the fundamental frequency (2 times 700kHz is 1400 kHz).

This post will be longer than I'd like, but I don't think the terminology can be adequately explained any other way...

"Superheterodyne circuit": Edwin Armstrong's invention, which is used in nearly every radio.

In this circuit, most of the signal processing is done at an "intermediate frequency" -- usually 455KHz in an AM radio. (usually 10.7MHz for FM)

The incoming signals are mixed with a "dead air" signal from a "local oscillator". The results of the mixing process are the sum of the two frequencies, and their difference. The frequency of the local oscillator signal is adjusted so the difference is always 455. For example:


Station frequency local oscillator sum difference
WTMJ 620 1075 1695 455
WNOV 860 1315 2175 455
WOKY 920 1375 2295 455
WISN 1130 1585 2715 455
WEMP 1250 1705 2955 455
WZUU 1290 1745 3035 455
WRIT 1340 1795 3135 455

(yes, I realize these are old calls. I'm too lazy to look up the new ones...)

The advantage of Armstrong's circuit is that you only have to tune one circuit -- the local oscillator -- to change stations. Previously, you had to adjust 3-4-5 different circuits every time you changed stations. The downside is that certain combinations make it possible to receive stations you aren't tuned to -- and that's what's being discussed here.

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Images:
Note above that when you tune to WTMJ, you mix the WTMJ signal on 620 with a dead-air signal on 1075. The difference between the two is 455, the "intermediate frequency" signal you want.

But what happens if there is, along with the WTMJ signal on 620, another signal on 1530. The signal on 1530 also mixes with the dead air signal on 1075. You get the sum (1530+1075=2605), and you get the difference. (1530-1075=455)

Yep, there's that magic 455 again. Your intermediate frequency circuits can't tell the difference between the 455 obtained from 620-1075, and the 455 obtained from 1530-1075. You'll hear both stations. (or, maybe more relevant to this discussion, if WTMJ is off the air, you'll hear the 1530 station even though your radio is tuned to 620)

Better radios contain a "preselector" circuit, to keep 1530 from getting to the mixer when you're tuned to 620. This costs money, so some radios omit it and others use the cheapest preselector possible.

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Local Oscillator Harmonics:
We're assuming above that the "dead air" signal from the local oscillator is "pure" -- is only on the desired frequency. In fact, no oscillator is perfect. It generates some signal on multiples of the desired frequency -- harmonics. The 2nd harmonic is twice the desired frequency; 3rd harmonic is 3 times; 4th harmonic is 4 times; etc...

(I suppose you could technically call the desired frequency the "first harmonic", but in fact the term "fundamental" is used)

So let's say we're still tuned to WTMJ. Again, the local oscillator is on 1075 -- but because it's not perfect -- it has harmonics -- the local oscillator is also on 1075*2=2150, 1075*3=3225, 1075*4=4300, 1075*5=5375, etc... Harmonics usually get weaker with increasing "order". (the 4th harmonic is weaker than the 3rd, which is weaker than the 2nd, which is weaker than the fundamental, etc.. Usually you can ignore anything past the 4th, except with REALLY CHEAP radios...)

Let's consider that second harmonic on 2150. Let's say that, along with WTMJ on 620, there's a powerful expanded-band station on 1700. It mixes with the second harmonic of the local oscillator. You get the sum (1700+2150=3850), and you get the difference. (1700-2150=450, again you can ignore the minus sign)

450 isn't exactly 455, but it's close enough. You'll hear a distorted version of the expanded-band station along with WTMJ. (or again, if WTMJ is off you'll hear the expanded-band station at 615 on your dial, a frequency that's supposed to be empty)

Again, a decent preselector should prevent this, but many radios "cheap out" on this circuit. Also, better-quality local oscillators have weaker harmonics and so are less susceptible to this. Digitally-tuned radios are more likely to have local oscillator harmonics, because of the way the local oscillator's frequency is controlled.

This issue often causes reception of 6MHz shortwave broadcasts on receivers tuned to the upper part of the expanded band.
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Spurious responses:
This is a generic term for any situation where a receiver, tuned to a given frequency, receives a signal that is not actually being transmitted on that frequency. It includes images and local oscillator harmonics. There are other things that can go wrong in a receiver to cause these as well.
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Transmitter faults
It's relatively rare for spurious signals to be the result of problems at the transmitter. But it does happen:
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Harmonics:
Harmonics can also happen at the transmitter. All transmitters radiate some harmonics. The FCC requires (73.44) that harmonics be at least 80dB weaker* than the main signal. Sometimes, filters fail and stations temporarily fail to meet this standard.

Again, transmitter harmonics happen at multiples of the station's frequency. If a station is broadcasting on 1350, its harmonics will be on 1350*2=2700, 1350*3=4050, 1350*4=5400, etc...

Given the poor state of maintenance of many small AM stations, it's surprising this doesn't happen very often... but I chose 1350 for a reason, if you have a shortwave receiver handy you might check these multiples.....

* in most cases. Lower attenuations may be permissible at lower-powered stations.

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Spurious emissions:
This is a generic term for when a transmitter transmits on frequencies other than the one it's designed to transmit on. It includes harmonics -- and any other situation where you hear a transmitter on a frequency it isn't trying to use.

For example... last night on my way home from work, one of the local FM stations was coming in not only on its "real" frequency, but 0.4MHz either side of that frequency.

It can be very difficult to tell the difference between a spurious emission (transmitter fault) and spurious response. (receiver fault) I'm pretty sure last night's issue was a transmitter fault, as I was not hearing the same fault on another station of the same power and at the same site. (and I travel that route every day & had never heard the "faulty" station off-frequency before)
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OK, I think I'm out of letters now :)
 
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