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eyg2181

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this probably aint the right place for this but, i dont know what is...

well anyways...

what exactly is short wave?
and is it possible to get transmitters or a receiver now days?
and how far do the signals come from?
i noticed on an old am/fm radio, it also had a SW tuner as well, unfortunatly the radio didnt work...this was my one chance to see what SW is or hear shortwave radio.
 
Shortwave radios are still readily available at Radio Shack. Also, they are available on-line at various venues everywhere. You could probably get a good portable with AM, FM, Longwave and Shortwave with various options (BFO, RDS, FM Stereo et.al.) for less than $200. Once you get a chance to listen to shortwave, you'll truly enjoy it. No internet feed, just good 'ol "wireless". I've been a big SW fan since I was 9 years old when I heard the BBC World Service for the first time in 1969. Thanks to my SW hobby, I also became a ham radio operator (K1XRB), a broadcast engineer and a FM station owner. Hope you have a chance to try out shortwave. It is really "kewl"!

73,

Peter Q. George (K1XRB)
Whitman, Massachusetts
 
>>what exactly is short wave?<<

Another form of radio transmission, like AM & FM

>>and is it possible to get transmitters or a receiver now days?<<

Yes, you can get them very easily and as cheaply as $15-$20.

>>and how far do the signals come from?<<

From here in New Jersey I've picked up stations transmitting from Australia on a radio I paid $40 for with no special or external antenna.
 
eyg2181 said:
what exactly is short wave?

I'll contact you off-line; there are many, many online resources dedicated to shortwave listening.

A good place to start: http://www.dxing.com/

Also: there's an annual gathering of shortwave enthusiasts up near Lansdale; check out http://www.swlfest.com.

I run an e-list that discusses shortwave programming -- check out http://www.hard-core-dx.com/mailman/listinfo/swprograms

There are two good books -- my first recommendation would be "Passport to World Band Radio", which has a website at http://www.passband.com. Also the World Radio TV Handbook, http://www.wrth.com/.

There are also listener organizations -- check out http://www.naswa.net

I'll try to contact you off-line.

Richard Cuff / Allentown, PA
Co-chair, Winter SWL Fest.

Most of the major shortwave
 
I don't think anyone addressed what "shortwave" is. Here's a beginner primer.

The radio spectrum, from about 300Kc (or Khz) to 510Kc is considered Longwave. In the States, it was referred to as the "Marine Band". That is, the length of the waveform from the antenna, and the space between positive and negative pulses, get longer as the frequency goes down. It was used for many years for Marine Navigation and Beacons.

American commercial "AM" band, 530-1700Kc, is Medium Wave (as it is called exactly that in Europe). Older radios will call it "Standard Broadcast".

From 1710Kc (1.71Mc or MHz) to 26Mc (ish) is considered international "shortwave" because the wavelength is small. BUT, in these frequencies, some really cool stuff happens.

Just like you can pick up many AM stations from many states away at night (clear channels), shortwave uses the same physics to bounce signals from the ground (daytime radio reception - groundwave) to the ionishpere, then back down (Skywave). Skywave in the shortwave bands works both day AND night, depending on the frequency, or Meter Length. The Meter determines the length of the antenna needed to transmit efficiently.

And poor weather conditions will bring in distant signals even on a few watts, like the CB Band (27Mc). They usually call that "skip", as the signal bounces from earth to clouds/ionisphere back to your receiving antenna. Although some may point out (correctly) that many of the low watt CB stations have , well, "help".

How did I do oldtimers?
 
amfmsw said:
How did I do oldtimers?

Pretty good! The "bad weather" conditions you speak of apply especially to FM DX -- due to tropospheric anomalies and also to a phenomenon called "E-skip". E-skip is most common in June and July. A couple years ago, I caught a Panama City, FL FM station in Allentown on a Saturday morning...and a Nebraska FM station where WHYY would normally be on another day.

In SW, the ability to receive stations from other continents does indeed vary by frequency, and that variability is due to a combination of seasonal factors and where the sun is in its (roughly) 11-year sunspot cycle. Solar flares similar magnetic phenomena can result in unique opportunities to hear various parts of the world.

Unfortunately, the phenomena discussed around the boards with respect to MP3 players, webcasts, and satellite radio apply to SW, but in much greater intensity. While SW is widely used to reach listeners in Africa and Asia, SW listening has fallen off rapidly in Europe, North America, Australia and Japan.

SW also appeals to an older, male demographic -- the typical shortwave listener is probably 55-65. I'm at the bottom end of that range, thankfully!

Richard in Allentown, PA

http://intlradio.blogspot.com
 
eyg2181 said:
this probably aint the right place for this but, i dont know what is...

well anyways...

what exactly is short wave?
and is it possible to get transmitters or a receiver now days?
and how far do the signals come from?
i noticed on an old am/fm radio, it also had a SW tuner as well, unfortunatly the radio didnt work...this was my one chance to see what SW is or hear shortwave radio.

A really good place to go is Google Groups and search on, "rec.radio.shortwave" - many smart and helpful people...
 
"700WLW"...now there's an icon... one station that hopefully never loses the Reds contract...

It would be interesting if someday the FCC allowed the restart of the 500KW MW transmitter for a Saturday night test...just to see how well it propagates...

Richard Cuff / Allentown, PA USA
 
Huhhuhhh.....this brought an immediate smile to my face.

Got my first SW radio when I was only eight, a Radio Shack (actually at that time "Realistic") DX-360 circa 1992, or 1993. All analogue tuned. Ran off six AA batteries and your so-called "S-metre" was little more than a red LED, the intensity of which would change with the signal strength! (Kind of primitive.......)

First real encounter with SW listening was hearing WWV for the first time on 10000kHz, during the broad daylight, not really knowing what it was or even what it was used for.

Used to get quite a kick out of trying to find the BBC and Voice of America at nights.....but the VOA was easily identified by its dramatic orchestral "Yankee Doodle" signoff at about 1900 Pacific (which would be 2200 in Washington DC.)

Got a Grundig Yacht Boy 400 a few years ago, because the DX360 has long since passed on. Now it seems the big thing for me is SSB, especially trying to DX some of the NOAA weather stations (the ones with the "robotic" voice of Perfect Paul) as well as the Armed Forces Radio stations.

Which has gotten me wondering why AFRS couldn't broadcast in the higher-fidelity AM mode instead of SSB!!
 
amfmsw said:
I don't think anyone addressed what "shortwave" is. Here's a beginner primer.

The radio spectrum, from about 300Kc (or Khz) to 510Kc is considered Longwave. In the States, it was referred to as the "Marine Band". That is, the length of the waveform from the antenna, and the space between positive and negative pulses, get longer as the frequency goes down. It was used for many years for Marine Navigation and Beacons.

American commercial "AM" band, 530-1700Kc, is Medium Wave (as it is called exactly that in Europe). Older radios will call it "Standard Broadcast".

From 1710Kc (1.71Mc or MHz) to 26Mc (ish) is considered international "shortwave" because the wavelength is small. BUT, in these frequencies, some really cool stuff happens.

Just like you can pick up many AM stations from many states away at night (clear channels), shortwave uses the same physics to bounce signals from the ground (daytime radio reception - groundwave) to the ionishpere, then back down (Skywave). Skywave in the shortwave bands works both day AND night, depending on the frequency, or Meter Length. The Meter determines the length of the antenna needed to transmit efficiently.

And poor weather conditions will bring in distant signals even on a few watts, like the CB Band (27Mc). They usually call that "skip", as the signal bounces from earth to clouds/ionisphere back to your receiving antenna. Although some may point out (correctly) that many of the low watt CB stations have , well, "help".

How did I do oldtimers?

Close....30 to 300 kHz is LF or Low Freq (the 160to 190kHz license free band users are called "lowfers")...300 to 3000kHz is called Medium Freq or MF; primarily the 500kHz freq was used by marine in the low end as an international emergency channelwith beacons, etc below 500kHz for marine and sometimes aircraft use..the 2-3 MHz range was used by AM then SSB marine users but that has gone away for the most part...the 3000 kHz, or 3MHz, to 30 MHz is HF or High Frequency....also called shortwave (goes back to when the HF range was considered the upper usable range of radio in the 20s)...
 
rdcuffpa1 said:
"700WLW"...now there's an icon... one station that hopefully never loses the Reds contract...

It would be interesting if someday the FCC allowed the restart of the 500KW MW transmitter for a Saturday night test...just to see how well it propagates...

Richard Cuff / Allentown, PA USA

Well, IF it was in working condition, that would be nice...but's not and never will be again...I walked through the cabinets a couple of years ago...impressive even nowadays...
 
Which has gotten me wondering why AFRS couldn't broadcast in the higher-fidelity AM mode instead of SSB!![/quote]

They can if want to, but no. AFRTS (or AFN nowadays) cease AM mode broadcasting on 10/30/88 in favor of satellite broadcasting. They said their lame excuse for this change is that AFRTS was substandard service with a "very limited audience", for which I find that to be a substandard load of B.S.! AFRTS had a very big audience! Now fast-forward to 13 years later. Many of the other great overseas broadcasters (BBC, Radio Norway, SRI, RBI to name a few) are gone, thanks to new tecnology (Internet, HD Radio and DRM).
 
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