Should ABC move Kimmel and Nightline back to their original slots?

[Y2kTheNewOldies]

Fox keeps politics in one place: FNC.

Just turn on the radio. No liberals allowed.

True and in recent years Fox has gotten some of their O&O's like KTVU San Francisco to expand their 10pm newscasts to run at 11pm to compete against other O&O's in the DMA8 market.
I don't see Fox considering putting their national Late Night show for now though given the recent shifts to having an 11pm newscast in some cities for their O&O's though.

 

[Y2kTheNewOldies]

Definitely. I wonder how much of this is because of antiquated way ratings are collected in small markets. NBC won't get ratings data from the Paducah-Gape Girardeau market until several weeks after the fact due to the use of diaries. For the most part, networks can't wait weeks to decide if a programming tweak was successful, since they have nearly instant data from the metered large markets.

In Big cities theres been a push to have their late night and prime time shows on their apps so the networks can get a more accurate picture who their viewers are and the emphasis to compete against Netflix, Hulu, Youtube and others for viewers are at play here.

Although Kimmel and Colbert are also fighting for youtube views too as ratings ploy though.

 

[Don CT]

I remember reading once where Carson was quoted as saying that he didn't get too political on either side because he could risk losing half his audience. Even Leno and Letterman (until his later years) didn't go too extreme. And although I really don't watch much of the current late night shows I can see where Fallon is the least political.

Fallon is also going after the younger crowd who don't really care about politics. He is more out to talk to pop stars.

 

[CTListener]

Fallon is also going after the younger crowd who don't really care about politics. He is more out to talk to pop stars.

... who are getting increasingly political. Of course, Kimmel can always set ground rules for interviews and have his staff tell guests before they head out to the set "No politics."

 

[AbrahamJSimpson]

Yes it would hurt the host egos by moving them to a later slot (noone wants to tell people there shows is at 1am) but the average age that is watching Colbert on TV is 61, that is the catheter and walk in bathtub demo, not really desirable for the networks. There are local affiliates that want to push back the late night talkers back, many of Hearst ABC's affiliates have hour long news and many of those are number 1 in just the 1030 half hour.

Ego, shmego. It's about the bucks, and pretty much nothing but the bucks (and that's not a criticism). Moving Kimmel to midnight (the original premise of the thread) makes no financial sense. Sure, it would likely bruise the ego, but the reason for not doing it is about ad money.

If Colbert wasn't delivering well enough for CBS, he'd be gone. Eventually at least. Average age is an interesting stat, but merely one bullet point among many. I haven't seen many a walk-in tub spot on Colbert when I tune in, so whoever from that age bracket is watching is offset by those on the other side of "average." And there's enough of those, particularly after his adjustments in content, to keep CBS happy.

 

[Don CT]

Ego, shmego. It's about the bucks, and pretty much nothing but the bucks (and that's not a criticism). Moving Kimmel to midnight (the original premise of the thread) makes no financial sense. Sure, it would likely bruise the ego, but the reason for not doing it is about ad money.

If Colbert wasn't delivering well enough for CBS, he'd be gone. Eventually at least. Average age is an interesting stat, but merely one bullet point among many. I haven't seen many a walk-in tub spot on Colbert when I tune in, so whoever from that age bracket is watching is offset by those on the other side of "average." And there's enough of those, particularly after his adjustments in content, to keep CBS happy.

I remember the talk of moving Corden to 11:35 after Colbert was fired. Trump went all 'dementia president' and it saved Colbert's show.

The question is what happens when Trump is gone in 2 years. Will Colbert still be a ratings hit?

 

[TheBigA]

The question is what happens when Trump is gone in 2 years. Will Colbert still be a ratings hit?

He was a hit on Comedy Channel when Obama was in office.

 

[CTListener]

My dad is 97 and he catches Colbert's opening monologue every night, providing he's still awake. A Nielsen meter on his TV would worry CBS greatly!

 

[Don CT]

He was a hit on Comedy Channel when Obama was in office.

That was also Colbert playing a fictional character.

 

[Y2kTheNewOldies]

Not "next" Hollywood - Vancouver (and other Canadian cities) have been another 'Hollywood' for a couple of decades, already. I've told this story before - over a decade ago, I was watching an episode of "The X Files" set in San Francisco. Naturally, they had the typical brief establishing shots of cable cars going uphill, Coit Tower, or whatever. Then the scene on "Fisherman's Wharf" - looking very authentic...docks, boats, etc...but then the camera pans to the south to what should be Telegraph Hill, which is filled with attached houses and apartment buildings. But the buildings were gone, and in their place was a huge grove of evergreen trees. Vancouver...

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/08/22/news-13-reasons-why-filming-continues-this-week-in-vallejo/


http://www.visitvallejo.com/film-office/13-reasons-why-film-locations-in-vallejo-ca

Yes Theres been talks that Vallejo, CA which is a 1 hour drive from San Francisco and Sacramento and a 15 minute drive from Napa Valley has been used as a filming location for Norcal and yes its done to get around the filming regulations in San Francisco, Oakland and Berkeley.

Vallejo, CA is uses

https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/09/07/bumblebee-film-to-transforms-vallejo-into-movie-set/

http://www.visitvallejo.com/film-office/solano-county-feature-film-history


If you hear that a film, TV show or Youtube show took place in Oakland, San Francisco, Napa, or Berkeley Chances are that some scenes were done in Vallejo to avoid certain zoning/filming regulations in other parts of Northern California.

 

[CTListener]

That was also Colbert playing a fictional character.

Yes, his over-the-top conservative character was much like Archie Bunker's over-the-top bigot. He was going for laughs from liberals, not conservatives, although there may have been some on the right who found him funny, too.

 

[TheBigA]

Yes, his over-the-top conservative character was much like Archie Bunker's over-the-top bigot. He was going for laughs from liberals, not conservatives, although there may have been some on the right who found him funny, too.

Or playing to millennials who find both sides to be ridiculous

 

[bobjim45]

If Colbert wasn't delivering well enough for CBS, he'd be gone. Eventually at least. Average age is an interesting stat, but merely one bullet point among many. I haven't seen many a walk-in tub spot on Colbert when I tune in, so whoever from that age bracket is watching is offset by those on the other side of "average." And there's enough of those, particularly after his adjustments in content, to keep CBS happy.

Almost all of Kimmel's and Colbert's ratings gains are coming people 50+, an age group that's not desirable by the networks, they want to target the 18-49 demo. In the demo Jimmy Fallon is ahead of Colbert and Kimmel.

The networks spend a lot of money on these shows, they will be hard pressed to get rid of them but, if politics turns off younger people as the ratings suggest, network executives will tell host to tone it down.

 

[bobjim45]

Yes I know...I was responding to the comment that a company had trouble getting talent from NY or LA to go to Orlando. Yet they have no trouble going to Vancouver or other foreign locations.

I think the difference is that they only have to stay for a few weeks in Vancouver then they go back to LA or wherever. Atlanta is a great place, but if you ask TV anchors and network executives to where they want to work and live, many will say New York is better. That's why over the past several years CNN has been shifting the talent and executives to New York. CNN news production will probably stay in Atlanta for a long time so they don't have to pay NY union rates.

 

[TheBigA]

Atlanta is a great place, but if you ask TV anchors and network executives to where they want to work and live, many will say New York is better. That's why over the past several years CNN has been shifting the talent and executives to New York.

Companies don't ask employees where they want to live. I have worked in NYC and lots of other places. A lot of people who work for media companies in NYC actually live in many other places. I'm surprised how many live in Pennsylvania to escape high taxes in NJ and NY. Others live and commute from Connecticut.

The real reason CNN shifted some anchor positions to NY was because they built expensive new studios in the Time Warner Building. The ones at CNN Center were 20 years old. But a chunk of CNN airtime originates in neither Atlanta nor NY, but Washington DC. That's where Wolf Blitzer is.

But as I said earlier, The Weather Channel is based in Atlanta, and their anchors seem satisfied with living there.

 

[bobjim45]

Companies don't ask employees where they want to live. I have worked in NYC and lots of other places. A lot of people who work for media companies in NYC actually live in many other places. I'm surprised how many live in Pennsylvania to escape high taxes in NJ and NY. Others live and commute from Connecticut.

The real reason CNN shifted some anchor positions to NY was because they built expensive new studios in the Time Warner Building. The ones at CNN Center were 20 years old. But a chunk of CNN airtime originates in neither Atlanta nor NY, but Washington DC. That's where Wolf Blitzer is.

But as I said earlier, The Weather Channel is based in Atlanta, and their anchors seem satisfied with living there.

Most if not all of CNN major executives are in New York, all of CNN's major talent is in based DC or New York, it has been shifting out of Atlanta for years. It has nothing to do with sets, before Jeff Zucker was hired CNN spent alot of money to rebuild CNN's Atlanta's Studios. When Jeff Zucker was hired he moved all of CNN's weekday anchors to New York and HLN's programs moved into that space.

https://www.newscaststudio.com/2012/01/03/cnn-moves-election-center-to-atlanta/

https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/hln-taking-over-cnns-atlanta-studio/231314

 

[CTListener]

Companies don't ask employees where they want to live. I have worked in NYC and lots of other places. A lot of people who work for media companies in NYC actually live in many other places. I'm surprised how many live in Pennsylvania to escape high taxes in NJ and NY. Others live and commute from Connecticut.

Nobody lives in Connecticut to escape high taxes!

 

[bobjim45]

Mainly the reason why CNN has been moving to NY is that talent pool is much greater.

 

[davideduardo]

Mainly the reason why CNN has been moving to NY is that talent pool is much greater.

Since the shows that have moved to NY are principally the commentary spaces and the news based ones that feature studio interviews, it is logical to pick NY or DC as that is where the newsmakers are. They certainly are not in Atlanta.

 

[anotherguyTN]

I remember the talk of moving Corden to 11:35 after Colbert was fired. Trump went all 'dementia president' and it saved Colbert's show.

The question is what happens when Trump is gone in 2 years. Will Colbert still be a ratings hit?

Make that IF Trump is gone. He still has his hard core supporters who think he can do no wrong, and if the Democrats don't come up with a better choice than Clinton for 2020 he may be back in for another term, unless he gets impeached, which may not happen if the Republicans are still in control. For me 2020 still looks like another year for None of the Above.