Should IBOC Rollout Be Stopped?

[calstymes]

Tom Wells proclaimed:

Nightime AM IBOC will put us in violation of international treaties.
It is one thing to break rule and law internal to the US, quite another to break ITU agreements and treaties with other nations.
If you read through Mr. Kahn's most recent postings on his site, it looks like there may be some brakes being applied legally.

Well thank goodness for small favors! Finally, somebody with a brain is sitting up and taking notice!

I am heartened that an increasing number find ibquity's disclosure incomplete, deficient or even misleading.

This heartens me as well, Tom. A year ago I said there were shenanigans going on within this company. I do hope that reason prevails here and that upon closer examination the number of people who are finding its disclosure to be incomplete, deficient and misleading continues on an upward trend.

 

[MasterTheseus]

Well, I have been away for a long time and finally caught up on this particular thread, a lot going on!

As a manufacturer I feel that my first duty is to dispel the beliefs that all the HD Radios are the same radio. There is a reason the BA is being discontinued, and our HD Component Tuners are selling almost as fast as we can make them.

A table radio, even the best I have heard, can not produce sound well enough for the average person to tell much us a difference between analog and digital radio. However, many high-end self proclaimed "audiophiles" are finding that with our component tuner, not only is it a remarkable analog tuner, but the HD with optical digital outputs performs to a level that many can not argue against.

If all radios were the same (or if all HD Radios were the same) then why are there $119 radios and $299 HD Radios? If they were all the same they should be the same price.

I think one of the most embarrassing remarks was one that thinks a company is different than a person. Just as most any company does, it will focus attention on the positive and as good as they can burry or draw attention away from the bad.

Sure more airport security will keep me safer, but it will also make me less productive and I won't be able to contribute as much to the GDP. This overall reduction devalues the American dollar and makes your HD Radios more expensive, but I am sure when they talked about more security they didn't talk about the overall economic negatives, did they?

A company, just like a person, and just like a government is here to ensure its survival. It is the primary instinct that drives us all. Ignore that fact to your peril.

And just take this to chew on, as an individual not representing a manufacturer but as a consumer. . I don't care that HD Radio makes it harder for you to hear radio. . I have my HD Radio, enjoy it and won't care until I can't listen to my HD Radio.

 

[Chuck]

And just take this to chew on, as an individual not representing a manufacturer but as a consumer. . I don't care that HD Radio makes it harder for you to hear radio. . I have my HD Radio, enjoy it and won't care until I can't listen to my HD Radio.

That's a little short-sighted, don'tcha think? Someday you may want your customers to be able to listen to one of those fine analog radios your company still makes. You might even have a few of them yourself. Are you ready to retire them?

Or is Sangean discontinuing its analog line?

 

[SUPERCASTER]

Nightime AM IBOC will put us in violation of international treaties.
It is one thing to break rule and law internal to the US, quite another to break ITU agreements and treaties with other nations.
If you read through Mr. Kahn's most recent postings on his site, it looks like there may be some brakes being applied legally.
I am heartened that an increasing number find ibquity's disclosure incomplete, deficient or even misleading.
A letter in a fairly recent issue of Radio World suggested something I mentioned months ago, going wideband on AM.
The writer suggested that if the FCC is permitting AM bandwidths of some 40-50khz, there is no justification for any restrictions
at all on upper end audio for analog signals.
In fact, ALL AM stations not running IBOC should immediately open up their audio passband to make the iBOCs sound even
more dull and lifeless by comparison.
As much as I still try to listen to 3 of the big AMs in Chicago 'GN, 'BBM, and 'LS, I am turning down/off and forgetting to come back
more and more since the audio is so muffled and muddy. I do not enjoy straining to distinguish what is being said above
ambient noise AND self-interference. I can listen for the traffic or some other information,
but cannot "listen" anymore without the "repellent effect" kicking in within 5-10 minutes.

Well said!

 

[SUPERCASTER]

MasterTheseus said:

If all radios were the same (or if all HD Radios were the same) then why are there $119 radios and $299 HD Radios? If they were all the same they should be the same price.

As I said before the differences in HD radios are mostly cosmetics, peripherals, accessories, marketing and price markup.
iBiquity will not grant permission to manufacture HD radios without basically following their reference design and without using their authorized chipsets.
All HD radios are required by iBiquity to be basically the same to insure compatibility, monopoly, and control.
Try manufacturing an HD radio without iBiquity's design, approval and control.

 

[MasterTheseus]

And just take this to chew on, as an individual not representing a manufacturer but as a consumer. . I don't care that HD Radio makes it harder for you to hear radio. . I have my HD Radio, enjoy it and won't care until I can't listen to my HD Radio.

That's a little short-sighted, don'tcha think? Someday you may want your customers to be able to listen to one of those fine analog radios your company still makes. You might even have a few of them yourself. Are you ready to retire them?

Or is Sangean discontinuing its analog line?

As I mentioned, as an individual. Sangean as a company will make whatever radios the public demands.

 

[MasterTheseus]

MasterTheseus said:

If all radios were the same (or if all HD Radios were the same) then why are there $119 radios and $299 HD Radios? If they were all the same they should be the same price.

As I said before the differences in HD radios are mostly cosmetics, peripherals, accessories, marketing and price markup.
iBiquity will not grant permission to manufacture HD radios without basically following their reference design and without using their authorized chipsets.
All HD radios are required by iBiquity to be basically the same to insure compatibility, monopoly, and control.
Try manufacturing an HD radio without iBiquity's design, approval and control.

That is not completely accurate though. Although the HD software is the same and the module is mostly the same, the modules are made by different companies and have different performance specifications. The LG Innotek that we use is vastly superior to the other modules. Although similar in software and in the HD portion, EVERYTHING ELSE is different and is the reason why we have quite possibly the best selling HD Radios on the market.

 

[SUPERCASTER]

MasterTheseus said:

If all radios were the same (or if all HD Radios were the same) then why are there $119 radios and $299 HD Radios? If they were all the same they should be the same price.

As I said before the differences in HD radios are mostly cosmetics, peripherals, accessories, marketing and price markup.
iBiquity will not grant permission to manufacture HD radios without basically following their reference design and without using their authorized chipsets.
All HD radios are required by iBiquity to be basically the same to insure compatibility, monopoly, and control.
Try manufacturing an HD radio without iBiquity's design, approval and control.

That is not completely accurate though. Although the HD software is the same and the module is mostly the same, the modules are made by different companies and have different performance specifications. The LG Innotek that we use is vastly superior to the other modules. Although similar in software and in the HD portion, EVERYTHING ELSE is different and is the reason why we have quite possibly the best selling HD Radios on the market.

And all must be approved by iBiquity, and are severely limited by problematic HD radio technology.

The LG Innotek that we use is vastly superior to the other modules. Although similar in software and in the HD portion, EVERYTHING ELSE is different and is the reason why we have quite possibly the best selling HD Radios on the market.

Are you saying the HD radio performance might be virtually the same on Sangean HD radios but the analog might be a little better then with some HD radio competitors?

 

[Tom Wells]

What brand(s)/model(s) did you purchase?

One BA, one Radiosophy, one Accurian.

See Folks.....

Dumber than a box of hair, his real name is Rich Wood. Rich thinks he is God gift to the radio world. Only HE can have opinions and the rest of you need to follow what he says.

In the past he may have been a decent programmer. That was then. But it has been shown that he is being paid by a group to talk down HD Radio.

Richs experiences include listens to one or two stations in the Hartford, CT area, and bases all of his opinions on just that. He also visits one Best Buy to obtain all of the wealth of information he spews here.

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[EDIT-inflammatory]

Wow! A fine representative of civilization you make, and welcome to the board!
I read what you said before the moderator swept up your drivel.

It doesn't make any difference if you want to make personal attacks, bad engineering is still bad engineering.
And popping up like a 2nd grader to "squeal" on someone's identity reveals a lot about you.

ibiquity is spending money to promote their viewpoint, I see no problem with spending money to promote
the conservative opinion opposing HD radio.

I debunk bad technologies for free, maybe others are similarly moved to volunteer.
Identify YOURself, if you expect to be taken seriously, dtaboh can at least be counted on for objectivity and honesty.

 

[MasterTheseus]

MasterTheseus said:

If all radios were the same (or if all HD Radios were the same) then why are there $119 radios and $299 HD Radios? If they were all the same they should be the same price.

As I said before the differences in HD radios are mostly cosmetics, peripherals, accessories, marketing and price markup.
iBiquity will not grant permission to manufacture HD radios without basically following their reference design and without using their authorized chipsets.
All HD radios are required by iBiquity to be basically the same to insure compatibility, monopoly, and control.
Try manufacturing an HD radio without iBiquity's design, approval and control.

That is not completely accurate though. Although the HD software is the same and the module is mostly the same, the modules are made by different companies and have different performance specifications. The LG Innotek that we use is vastly superior to the other modules. Although similar in software and in the HD portion, EVERYTHING ELSE is different and is the reason why we have quite possibly the best selling HD Radios on the market.

And all must be approved by iBiquity, and are severely limited by problematic HD radio technology.

The LG Innotek that we use is vastly superior to the other modules. Although similar in software and in the HD portion, EVERYTHING ELSE is different and is the reason why we have quite possibly the best selling HD Radios on the market.

Are you saying the HD radio performance might be virtually the same on Sangean HD radios but the analog might be a little better then with some HD radio competitors?

Not just the analog, but the HD portion too and not just a little better, but a lot better (of course I am biased). The components that pull in and give you better Analog reception and sensativity will also give you better HD reception. The audio output levels, the deimphasis and EQ settings, THD and all this are more determined by the manufacturer than by HD portion.

 

[Chuck]

See Folks.....

Dumber than a box of hair, his real name is Rich Wood. Rich thinks he is God gift to the radio world. Only HE can have opinions and the rest of you need to follow what he says.

In the past he may have been a decent programmer. That was then. But it has been shown that he is being paid by a group to talk down HD Radio.

Richs experiences include listens to one or two stations in the Hartford, CT area, and bases all of his opinions on just that. He also visits one Best Buy to obtain all of the wealth of information he spews here.

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[EDIT-inflammatory]

Ya know, I don't really care if "Dumber" is Rich or not. Rich and I have sparred both for and against each other’s opinions on newsgroups for at least seven or eight years - maybe longer. What I have discovered is that he has a lot to say from an experienced and educated point of view. Even if you don't agree with him all the time, you might LEARN something from him. His messages usually show a good understanding of the problem and he is bluntly honest with his answers. If you don’t like the message, don’t shoot the messenger.

If Dumber turns out to be Rich, then that’s great. I’d welcome either of them to this discussion. Whoever he is, I enjoy Dumber's assessments of the situation, and I would do so even if I didn't usually agree with him. Call it an intellectual exercise if you like. Keep in mind that this is a news group and that’s what they are all about. As someone said, "It's not much fun having a battle of wits with an unarmed combatant."

 

[SUPERCASTER]

MasterTheseus said:

If all radios were the same (or if all HD Radios were the same) then why are there $119 radios and $299 HD Radios? If they were all the same they should be the same price.

As I said before the differences in HD radios are mostly cosmetics, peripherals, accessories, marketing and price markup.
iBiquity will not grant permission to manufacture HD radios without basically following their reference design and without using their authorized chipsets.
All HD radios are required by iBiquity to be basically the same to insure compatibility, monopoly, and control.
Try manufacturing an HD radio without iBiquity's design, approval and control.

That is not completely accurate though. Although the HD software is the same and the module is mostly the same, the modules are made by different companies and have different performance specifications. The LG Innotek that we use is vastly superior to the other modules. Although similar in software and in the HD portion, EVERYTHING ELSE is different and is the reason why we have quite possibly the best selling HD Radios on the market.

And all must be approved by iBiquity, and are severely limited by problematic HD radio technology.

The LG Innotek that we use is vastly superior to the other modules. Although similar in software and in the HD portion, EVERYTHING ELSE is different and is the reason why we have quite possibly the best selling HD Radios on the market.

Are you saying the HD radio performance might be virtually the same on Sangean HD radios but the analog might be a little better then with some HD radio competitors?

Not just the analog, but the HD portion too and not just a little better, but a lot better (of course I am biased). The components that pull in and give you better Analog reception and sensativity will also give you better HD reception. The audio output levels, the deimphasis and EQ settings, THD and all this are more determined by the manufacturer than by HD portion.

Show me how there could be such a dramatic improvement in Sangean HD and analog reception just by modularizing the existing iBiquity 1181 reference design and chipsets?

Aren't other manufacturers using the very same LG HD radio modules and chipsets?

Doesn't iBiquity control the use of the logo and term HD Radio, and the design and compliance of all HD Radio's?

LG Innotek, a licensed iBiquity Digital Corporation partner, announced today that it has released two HD Radio module designs for tabletop and home HD Radio receivers. Both the TMHA-H001T and TMHA-H501T module designs were certified as compliant with iBiquity Digital Corporation’s 1181 Reference Design

LG Innotek’s modules utilize existing HD Radio chipsets in a flexible, cost-optimized hardware design that is supported by standardized software drivers and simplified production testing equipment.

Link:
http://edageek.com/2006/09/27/lg-innotek-1181-hd-radio/

 

[MasterTheseus]

MasterTheseus said:

If all radios were the same (or if all HD Radios were the same) then why are there $119 radios and $299 HD Radios? If they were all the same they should be the same price.

As I said before the differences in HD radios are mostly cosmetics, peripherals, accessories, marketing and price markup.
iBiquity will not grant permission to manufacture HD radios without basically following their reference design and without using their authorized chipsets.
All HD radios are required by iBiquity to be basically the same to insure compatibility, monopoly, and control.
Try manufacturing an HD radio without iBiquity's design, approval and control.

That is not completely accurate though. Although the HD software is the same and the module is mostly the same, the modules are made by different companies and have different performance specifications. The LG Innotek that we use is vastly superior to the other modules. Although similar in software and in the HD portion, EVERYTHING ELSE is different and is the reason why we have quite possibly the best selling HD Radios on the market.

And all must be approved by iBiquity, and are severely limited by problematic HD radio technology.

The LG Innotek that we use is vastly superior to the other modules. Although similar in software and in the HD portion, EVERYTHING ELSE is different and is the reason why we have quite possibly the best selling HD Radios on the market.

Are you saying the HD radio performance might be virtually the same on Sangean HD radios but the analog might be a little better then with some HD radio competitors?

Not just the analog, but the HD portion too and not just a little better, but a lot better (of course I am biased). The components that pull in and give you better Analog reception and sensativity will also give you better HD reception. The audio output levels, the deimphasis and EQ settings, THD and all this are more determined by the manufacturer than by HD portion.

Show me how there could be such a dramatic improvement in Sangean HD and analog reception just by modularizing the existing iBiquity 1181 reference design and chipsets?

Aren't other manufacturers using the very same LG HD radio modules and chipsets?

Doesn't iBiquity control the use of the logo and term HD Radio, and the design and compliance of all HD Radio's?

LG Innotek, a licensed iBiquity Digital Corporation partner, announced today that it has released two HD Radio module designs for tabletop and home HD Radio receivers. Both the TMHA-H001T and TMHA-H501T module designs were certified as compliant with iBiquity Digital Corporation’s 1181 Reference Design

LG Innotek’s modules utilize existing HD Radio chipsets in a flexible, cost-optimized hardware design that is supported by standardized software drivers and simplified production testing equipment.

Link:
http://edageek.com/2006/09/27/lg-innotek-1181-hd-radio/

I would love to SHOW you, but we are not in the business of trading secrets about how we make our radios better. All I can do is reccomend you try out the HDT-1X and see for yourself. It has the function and capability to turn off HD Radio so you can use the tuner as an analog only tuner. . . Plug it in, turn HD off and play with it. You will likely find that it makes an exceptional tuner in analog, as well as HD.

 

[dumber than a box of hair]

See Folks.....

Dumber than a box of hair, his real name is Rich Wood. Rich thinks he is God gift to the radio world. Only HE can have opinions and the rest of you need to follow what he says.

In the past he may have been a decent programmer. That was then. But it has been shown that he is being paid by a group to talk down HD Radio.

Richs experiences include listens to one or two stations in the Hartford, CT area, and bases all of his opinions on just that. He also visits one Best Buy to obtain all of the wealth of information he spews here.

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[EDIT-inflammatory]

1) I am not Rich Wood.

2) It's painfully obvious that Rich Wood has forgotten more than you know about the radio business.

3) Attacking Rich Wood using your so-called facts says a whole lot more about you than it does about him.

4) Being a cheerleader for a defective technology doesn't make all those defects magically disappear.

5) You claim Rich Wood is being paid to denigrate HD Radio. Show us the proof...right here and now. We're waiting. Let's also hope Rich Wood is reading this, so he can sue you for slander when you can't produce the proof.

 

[SUPERCASTER]

MasterTheseus said:

If all radios were the same (or if all HD Radios were the same) then why are there $119 radios and $299 HD Radios? If they were all the same they should be the same price.

As I said before the differences in HD radios are mostly cosmetics, peripherals, accessories, marketing and price markup.
iBiquity will not grant permission to manufacture HD radios without basically following their reference design and without using their authorized chipsets.
All HD radios are required by iBiquity to be basically the same to insure compatibility, monopoly, and control.
Try manufacturing an HD radio without iBiquity's design, approval and control.

That is not completely accurate though. Although the HD software is the same and the module is mostly the same, the modules are made by different companies and have different performance specifications. The LG Innotek that we use is vastly superior to the other modules. Although similar in software and in the HD portion, EVERYTHING ELSE is different and is the reason why we have quite possibly the best selling HD Radios on the market.

And all must be approved by iBiquity, and are severely limited by problematic HD radio technology.

The LG Innotek that we use is vastly superior to the other modules. Although similar in software and in the HD portion, EVERYTHING ELSE is different and is the reason why we have quite possibly the best selling HD Radios on the market.

Are you saying the HD radio performance might be virtually the same on Sangean HD radios but the analog might be a little better then with some HD radio competitors?

Not just the analog, but the HD portion too and not just a little better, but a lot better (of course I am biased). The components that pull in and give you better Analog reception and sensativity will also give you better HD reception. The audio output levels, the deimphasis and EQ settings, THD and all this are more determined by the manufacturer than by HD portion.

Show me how there could be such a dramatic improvement in Sangean HD and analog reception just by modularizing the existing iBiquity 1181 reference design and chipsets?

Aren't other manufacturers using the very same LG HD radio modules and chipsets?

Doesn't iBiquity control the use of the logo and term HD Radio, and the design and compliance of all HD Radio's?

LG Innotek, a licensed iBiquity Digital Corporation partner, announced today that it has released two HD Radio module designs for tabletop and home HD Radio receivers. Both the TMHA-H001T and TMHA-H501T module designs were certified as compliant with iBiquity Digital Corporation’s 1181 Reference Design

LG Innotek’s modules utilize existing HD Radio chipsets in a flexible, cost-optimized hardware design that is supported by standardized software drivers and simplified production testing equipment.

Link:
http://edageek.com/2006/09/27/lg-innotek-1181-hd-radio/

I would love to SHOW you, but we are not in the business of trading secrets about how we make our radios better. All I can do is reccomend you try out the HDT-1X and see for yourself. It has the function and capability to turn off HD Radio so you can use the tuner as an analog only tuner. . . Plug it in, turn HD off and play with it. You will likely find that it makes an exceptional tuner in analog, as well as HD.

All my existing radios and tuners worked fine until HD radio added adjacent channel jamming, interference and noise and (according to R F Burns and others) HD radio broke all my radios. Since there are now many better alternatives for getting news, music and entertainment, instantly and on demand, why would I bother replacing all my radios that HD broke?
You are peddling a dead horse, unless HD radio disappears and all my radios become "un-broken" and are restored to their former pristine high fidelity glory.

You are dodging the fact that all HD radios are basically the same, and use the same components and design for HD reception, as I have proven.

If HD radio goes away all my existing radios will perform great just as before HD radio and I would have no need to buy new radios.

 

[rwagoner]

All my existing radios and tuners worked fine until HD radio added adjacent channel jamming, interference and noise and (according to R F Burns and others) HD radio broke all my radios. Since there are now many better alternatives for getting news, music and entertainment, instantly and on demand, why would I bother replacing all my radios that HD broke?
You are peddling a dead horse, unless HD radio disappears and all my radios become "un-broken" and are restored to their former pristine high fidelity glory.

You are dodging the fact that all HD radios are basically the same, and use the same components and design for HD reception, as I have proven.

If HD radio goes away all my existing radios will perform great just as before HD radio and I would have no need to buy new radios.

This is exactly the type of post I called attention to back on July 27th.

ALL of your radios are broken. Hmm. My radios must be much better than yours. Mine work fine.

Carver TX-11b
Marantz 2215B
GE Superadio III
Various other analog radios.

SOME pick up SOME hash on AM. Most handle it fine. No change on FM that I have noticed.

I wanted rational discussion when I came here. These posts are not rational. Make blanket statements that ALL your radios are broken and you lose your credibility.

Have fun preaching to the choir. You pushed away someone on the fence ... and pushed me TOWARD supporting HD.

Have fun,

Richard

 

[MasterTheseus]

All my existing radios and tuners worked fine until HD radio added adjacent channel jamming, interference and noise and (according to R F Burns and others) HD radio broke all my radios. Since there are now many better alternatives for getting news, music and entertainment, instantly and on demand, why would I bother replacing all my radios that HD broke?
You are peddling a dead horse, unless HD radio disappears and all my radios become "un-broken" and are restored to their former pristine high fidelity glory.

You are dodging the fact that all HD radios are basically the same, and use the same components and design for HD reception, as I have proven.

If HD radio goes away all my existing radios will perform great just as before HD radio and I would have no need to buy new radios.

I am sorry, I was not aware that I was dodging! I was under the impression that I was answeing your questions. What is it you would like from me?

 

[vsa]

All my existing radios and tuners worked fine until HD radio added adjacent channel jamming, interference and noise and (according to R F Burns and others) HD radio broke all my radios. Since there are now many better alternatives for getting news, music and entertainment, instantly and on demand, why would I bother replacing all my radios that HD broke?
You are peddling a dead horse, unless HD radio disappears and all my radios become "un-broken" and are restored to their former pristine high fidelity glory.

You are dodging the fact that all HD radios are basically the same, and use the same components and design for HD reception, as I have proven.

If HD radio goes away all my existing radios will perform great just as before HD radio and I would have no need to buy new radios.

This is exactly the type of post I called attention to back on July 27th.

ALL of your radios are broken. Hmm. My radios must be much better than yours. Mine work fine.

Carver TX-11b
Marantz 2215B
GE Superadio III
Various other analog radios.

SOME pick up SOME hash on AM. Most handle it fine. No change on FM that I have noticed.

I wanted rational discussion when I came here. These posts are not rational. Make blanket statements that ALL your radios are broken and you lose your credibility.

Have fun preaching to the choir. You pushed away someone on the fence ... and pushed me TOWARD supporting HD.

Have fun,

Richard

Oh please Richard. Please, please, please, at least get back on the HD fence. We are all so desperately trying to defeat HD radio at all costs simply because we are jealous of a technology that will revolutionize the future of radio. We are willing to lie, cheat and do whatever needs to be done to diminish the obvious future success of HD radio. Your opinion of it will be the deciding factor!

There. Do you like that better?

Hey, I don't care if you buy out the whole city of all HD radios on sale. Be my guest. At best, HD radio is a curiosity for radio geeks who enjoy listening to radio the hard way. The public continues to regard HD radio with a yawn at best and laughter at worst. That is the unfortunate truth for broadcast radio licensees who have invested in iBiquity's technology.

 

[SUPERCASTER]

All my existing radios and tuners worked fine until HD radio added adjacent channel jamming, interference and noise and (according to R F Burns and others) HD radio broke all my radios. Since there are now many better alternatives for getting news, music and entertainment, instantly and on demand, why would I bother replacing all my radios that HD broke?
You are peddling a dead horse, unless HD radio disappears and all my radios become "un-broken" and are restored to their former pristine high fidelity glory.

You are dodging the fact that all HD radios are basically the same, and use the same components and design for HD reception, as I have proven.

If HD radio goes away all my existing radios will perform great just as before HD radio and I would have no need to buy new radios.

This is exactly the type of post I called attention to back on July 27th.

ALL of your radios are broken. Hmm. My radios must be much better than yours. Mine work fine.

Carver TX-11b
Marantz 2215B
GE Superadio III
Various other analog radios.

SOME pick up SOME hash on AM. Most handle it fine. No change on FM that I have noticed.

I wanted rational discussion when I came here. These posts are not rational. Make blanket statements that ALL your radios are broken and you lose your credibility.

Have fun preaching to the choir. You pushed away someone on the fence ... and pushed me TOWARD supporting HD.

Have fun,

Richard

It was R F Burns and many of the other HD supporters (re-read my post) right on this board who insisted that everyone picking up HD noise on adjacent channels on AM or FM had "broken radios", because (they insisted) the HD radio interference was absolutely impossible to hear on analog radios, so their analog radios must be broken. Many listeners replied they could plainly hear the HD radio hash, especially on adjacent channels, that all radios used in their tests are working fine, and that if their radios were broken (as the HD supporters claimed) then it was HD radio that must have broken them.
It was HD supporters who repeatedly insisted "all your radios must be broken" in all their confabulated claims about HD radio's pristine purity, total lack of analog interference and false assertions about massive numbers of broken analog radios, not the HD opponents.

So you also hear the HD hash on your analog radios. HD supporters have insisted that is impossible and that anyone who claimed otherwise it must be delusional or their analog radios are broken.

Your mistaken assessments of "irrationality", "blanket statements" and "lack of credibility" are totally misdirected toward the wrong group.

Because you can accept the HD interference and can "handle it fine" at your location, then it is you who are making the blanket, irrational, incredible statements, since many others find the HD interference often loud, jamming and objectionable at their locations.

To find you are actually an HD radio supporter is not surprising.

vsa said:

Hey, I don't care if you buy out the whole city of all HD radios on sale. Be my guest. At best, HD radio is a curiosity for radio geeks who enjoy listening to radio the hard way. The public continues to regard HD radio with a yawn at best and laughter at worst. That is the unfortunate truth for broadcast radio licensees who have invested in iBiquity's technology.

This echos my thoughts as well.

 

[SUPERCASTER]

It is totally irrational to expect the overcrowded broadcast bands to accommodate stations formerly assigned to one channel to now expand to HD using 3 or even 5 channels, without additional interference.