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Should Jets Simulcast On WRXP This Year?

Okay - many (as have I) have speculated that Emmis will eventually pull the trigger and turn 101.9 into an outlet for ESPN Radio. The fact that they're making a few tweaks in their on-air presentation (and as "WRXPInsider" was kind enough to inform us on this board, the playlist will be tweaked as well) makes me believe that they're going to stick with rock for at least a little while longer.

In the meantime, as has also been stated elsewhere on this board, the New York Jets, who were thirty minutes away from a trip to the Super Bowl a few months ago, and given all of the expectations of the team in 2010, would like to have a decent signal for the upcoming season (I remember pulling in 1050 in the Babylon area of Long Island during a late game, i.e. 4 PM start, in November after daylight standard time resumed - the signal was deplorable).

With all that said, what are the chances that the Jets - realizing that 101.9 will likely continue to be New York's rock expe - um, station for the immediate future - make a deal with Emmis (or specifically, the outlet that handles Jets radio broadcasts, which I think is MSG) to simulcast Jets games with 1050. If anything, it'll be a gradual process to 101.9's eventual lip to ESPN, should Emmis decide to go that route. (Am I the only one who remembers when 1050, in their latter days as the old WEVD, used to carry Dan Patrick's old ESPN Radio show? This deal would be similar to that.) Or do you think the football games would disparage the already small number of listeners they now have?
 
I don't think it'd be a good fit unless they tweak in a more classic or active rock direction. But, I'm sure if it brings them $, they'd MAKE it fit.
 
Keep in mind that the Atlanta Falcons' flagship station for the past several years has been "92.9 Dave FM" - a CBS-owned rock station whose playlist, more or less, parrots much of the songs that WRXP plays.
 
That would be a great idea. I just read on the other NY radio board that Allan Sniffen predicts 101.9 will have a different format in 6 months, so if 101.9 picks up the ESPN frequency, it'll be just in time for a potential Jets Super Bowl run (when more people will be listening come playoff time).
 
What is everyone's obsession to have Sports on the FM dial, when there are a ton of sports formats on AM and covers well in the area.
 
d21ofnj said:
What is everyone's obsession to have Sports on the FM dial, when there are a ton of sports formats on AM and covers well in the area.

In my opinion, the future of OTA is moving profitable AM formats to FM. Sports is a profitable format.

I'm not aware that the Jets rights are available. There is an interesting situation in NY, in that ESPN 1050 Radio is owned by Disney, but the format is marketed and sold by Citadel. So I'm sure Citadel would love to move the format to an FM station, but will Disney allow them to move it? Maybe Disney puts the Spanish ESPN on 1050? In the meantime, wouldn't Citadel love to put the Jets on WABC? Just a few possible complications.

Then if ESPN moves to FM, does CBS move The Fan to one of its weaker FM? This situation just happened in Philly, and CBS stayed on AM. But it seems to me inevitable that in a competitive situation, they have to move the sports to FM.

As for WRXP, anything would get more listeners than what they're doing now. Doing 24/7 traffic would get higher ratings. Country would have brought higher ratings and better demos. Leaving it smooth jazz got better numbers, but bad demos. So although I'm not a fan of mixed formats, few tears will be shed if the format is shared with sports.
 
NFL football on FM rock stations has worked in many markets, but given 'RXPs situation I see no way the Jets get on 101.9 this season short of the station becoming WEPN-FM.

The Jets brought this situation upon themselves. In the mid 90s when 'FAN was the Jets' flagship, Joe Benigno started doing overnights on the station. He was a must-listen on Sunday night after a brutal Jets' loss. As a Jets' fan since Namath, Benigno would rant all night about the Jets latest foible which probably didn't endear him to the team's management. When Woody Johnson bought the team in 2000, the first thing he did was pull the games off 'FAN and move them to WABC. 1050 ESPN began in 2001 and through 2008, the games were simulcast on 770 & 1050. Citadel backed out of the deal last season, leaving the Jets on the signal-challenged 1050 AM.

The Jets ended the 2009 season thirty minutes from the Super Bowl and are poised to make another run this season. However, at least 50% of their fan base cannot receive 1050 ESPN! This doesn't speak well for an NFL team playing in the #1 media market! It will be much worse if Woody Johnson's 50% off PSL fire sale doesn't sell out the stadium by opening night. Not only will Jets fans not be able to watch the game on TV, they will be hard pressed to find it on NY radio.

NFL teams in small and medium sized markets broadcast on big FM signals and some even simulcast on big AMs. The Jets' radio sitaution is an embarassment! :)
 
they need to go 70s/80s 'punk/wave';
they can be an 'edge' version of what brought CBS FM to #1;
CBS FM plays generational hits, and oddball 'lost hits' as well, and people love it;
(you can look up how people laughed when CBS FM first returned and I said the day would come that'd they'd hit #1 in the overall ratings...look it up)
 
WPIX tried "punk/wave" thirty years ago. It failed. Next...

Oh, and I'll take your word for it that you guaranteed a CBS-FM victory - to sift through all of those posts of yours praising Wayne County and the New York Dolls could be a challenge! ;)
 
frozenfiresb said:
Allan Sniffen predicts 101.9 will have a different format in 6 months, so if 101.9 picks up the ESPN frequency, it'll be just in time for a potential Jets Super Bowl run...

I read that same post and that actually inspired this thread. (Gotta give credit where it's due, folks...)
 
TheBigA said:
d21ofnj said:
What is everyone's obsession to have Sports on the FM dial, when there are a ton of sports formats on AM....
Sports is a profitable format.

...if ESPN moves to FM, does CBS move The Fan to one of its weaker FM? This situation just happened in Philly, and CBS stayed on AM.

Indeed, sports rakes in the advertising money, despite the fact that it doesn't strike ratings gold in most markets (especially the bird-fed sports stations).

The reason why CBS kept WIP off FM is because it's doing so well as an AM station. Likewise, WFAN is one of the top-grossing AM stations in the country, so if it ain't broke...
 
Re: possible TV blackouts of Jets games: there are many reasons why this won't happen, plus there's precedence for it.

In the late 1970's, ABC Monday Night Football was reluctant to broadcast a home Jets game (at that time from Shea Stadium) for fear that if the game didn't sell out, the game would be blacked out in New York. Finally in 1979 the NFL scheduled the Minnesota Vikings vs. the N.Y. Jets at Shea Stadium on Monday October 15. There was much speculation leading up to this game if it would indeed sell out & what would happen if it didn't, which seemed likely since the Jets had been (mostly) bad for several years.

Turns out as the "72 hours before game time" blackout deadline approached, any remaining unsold tickets were paid for, allegedly by ABC-TV since they didn't want the NYC metro area to be blacked out & have to run replacement programming (remember "ABC's Monday Night Movie"?!) & lose advertising dollars. It's possible that the NFL & the Jets might have had some involvement ($$$) as well.

Should the same situation arise again, I'm sure Jets owner Woody Johnson would buy back enough tickets (& maybe try to give them away to charitable organizations) in order to lift a potential blackout of a Jets home game, or maybe he'll work in concert with whatever TV network is broadcasting the game (CBS, FOX, NBC, ESPN) along with the NFL, depending on what NFL rules are in place regarding how to "avoid" TV blackouts. For example, certain "premium" seats don't count against a stadium's seating capacity when it comes to determining what constitutes a "sellout". It's in ALL the parties best interests ($$$) to have the games broadcast in Market #1.

As time went on, more Monday night home Jet games were scheduled, but the problems shifted from possible blackouts (no longer an issue for about the last 25+ years, pre-personal seat licensing) to unruly fans in the stadium during the contests, causing embarrassment for Jets management & the NFL.
 
pjc1961 said:
... more Monday night home Jet games were scheduled, but the problems shifted from possible blackouts (no longer an issue for about the last 25+ years, pre-personal seat licensing) to unruly fans in the stadium during the contests, causing embarrassment for Jets management & the NFL.

Sign me up for a PSL near Gate D. ;D

The fact that PSL costs were recently slashed in some areas makes the team realize that selling out their games is what's important.
 
DToTheJ said:
Okay - many (as have I) have speculated that Emmis will eventually pull the trigger and turn 101.9 into an outlet for ESPN Radio. The fact that they're making a few tweaks in their on-air presentation (and as "WRXPInsider" was kind enough to inform us on this board, the playlist will be tweaked as well) makes me believe that they're going to stick with rock for at least a little while longer.

I thought RXP just got a new pd
 
WPIX tried "punk/wave" thirty years ago. It failed. Next...

-------------------------------------------------------
PIX was ahead of it's time;
there was no MTV yet, nor was there a world wide web;
life would have been very different in America for the acts that were shut out by radio if there was a visual alterntive;
as I recall, acts like Duran Duran,Go Gos,LoverBoy, and Adam and the Ants were dying on the vine over here in 80-81 until MTV popped up;
the Appetite For Destruction lp by Guns n Roses, and Nirvana's "Teen Spirit" were in similar straits,passed on by radio,and then,boom, MTV and we find out that people liked them...
and if there had been no MTV,ever,or internet, the last six acts that I mentioned would be on your 'scrap heap'list as well..
it's a new world ,baby; get with the program(ming)
 
Mike said:
I thought RXP just got a new pd

Prior to dropping the 'experience," the only major change they've made recently is their music director, Brian Phillips, move his already established evening shift to afternoon drive, in the wake of the exiting Nik Carter.

As far as their PD is concerned, hard to believe, but last Wednesday marked the second anniversary of Leslie Fram - let me make that National Radio Hall of Fame nominee Leslie Fram - being named program director (as well as morning show co-host) of WRXP.
 
pjc1961 said:
Re: possible TV blackouts of Jets games: there are many reasons why this won't happen.

I'm sure Jets owner Woody Johnson would buy back enough tickets (& maybe try to give them away to charitable organizations) in order to lift a potential blackout of a Jets home game, or maybe he'll work in concert with whatever TV network is broadcasting the game (CBS, FOX, NBC, ESPN) along with the NFL, depending on what NFL rules are in place regarding how to "avoid" TV blackouts. For example, certain "premium" seats don't count against a stadium's seating capacity when it comes to determining what constitutes a "sellout". It's in ALL the parties best interests ($$$) to have the games broadcast in Market #1.

Woody Johnson didn't reduce PSL prices out of the goodness of his heart! He did so to avoid TV blackouts! I'm sure Johnson was heavily pressured by NFL cmsr Roger Goodell. The Jets have to sell approximately 15,000 non-premium PSLs by their Monday night opener Sept 13 vs Baltimore.

Which brings us back to the matter at hand, WRXP. As long as Emmis has control, Jets' games will not be on 101.9 FM. Emmis stubbornly remains committed to the rock format for at least another six months, which would mean at least the rest of the year. The Jets regular season would be almost over. If Emmis turned the station over to ESPN on Jan 1, maybe playoff games air on 101.9 FM, assuming the Jets go that far.

The Cleveland Browns are simulcast on both WTAM (1100 AM), a 50 kW blaster and rock station WMMS (100.7 FM). The FM station broadcasts all Browns' games, while 1100 AM, the Indians' flagship, joins the Browns' network at the end of baseball season. The Browns may be awful on the field, but they are giving their fan base far better radio coverage than the Jets give theirs. :)
 
Likewise, in nearby Cincinnati, Bengals games air on both WLW-AM and WEBN-FM - and if a Reds game airs at the same time a Bengals game does, WLW will air the Reds game, then carry Bengals coverage in progress, should there be any left; meanwhile, WEBN airs the Bengals games from start to finish.

radioguy39nj said:
Which brings us back to the matter at hand, WRXP. As long as Emmis has control, Jets' games will not be on 101.9 FM. Emmis stubbornly remains committed to the rock format for at least another six months, which would mean at least the rest of the year...

Based on the above examples, AM/FM simulcasts of NFL games do exist in some markets. Of course, in the hypothesis at hand, you have two frequencies owned by two different radio companies. I'm sure if Emmis got enough money by the Jets, they'd come to a compromise and simulcast Jets games with 1050 on 101.9.

And by the by: CBS gave 92.3 Now about a year to grow, and now they will be carrying Giants overflow games when WFAN has Mets games. WRXP has been given, what, two, three years by Emmis, and they're on the clock with six ticks to go? Given most of the games will air on Sundays - and a great number of them at night, mind you - carrying Jets games, if it is going to get them more money than it would for regular advertising at the same hour, probably wouldn't be that much to the chagrin of the average WRXP listener. And besides, they can always hear WRXP music online anyway, when the Jets are on the air.
 
DToTheJ said:
Likewise, in nearby Cincinnati, Bengals games air on both WLW-AM and WEBN-FM - and if a Reds game airs at the same time a Bengals game does, WLW will air the Reds game, then carry Bengals coverage in progress, should there be any left; meanwhile, WEBN airs the Bengals games from start to finish.

radioguy39nj said:
Which brings us back to the matter at hand, WRXP. As long as Emmis has control, Jets' games will not be on 101.9 FM. Emmis stubbornly remains committed to the rock format for at least another six months, which would mean at least the rest of the year...

Based on the above examples, AM/FM simulcasts of NFL games do exist in some markets. Of course, in the hypothesis at hand, you have two frequencies owned by two different radio companies. I'm sure if Emmis got enough money by the Jets, they'd come to a compromise and simulcast Jets games with 1050 on 101.9.

And by the by: CBS gave 92.3 Now about a year to grow, and now they will be carrying Giants overflow games when WFAN has Mets games. WRXP has been given, what, two, three years by Emmis, and they're on the clock with six ticks to go? Given most of the games will air on Sundays - and a great number of them at night, mind you - carrying Jets games, if it is going to get them more money than it would for regular advertising at the same hour, probably wouldn't be that much to the chagrin of the average WRXP listener. And besides, they can always hear WRXP music online anyway, when the Jets are on the air.

Also regarding Cincinnati, Bengals games also air on 1530 The Sports Animal, a 50 kW blaster. This means the Bengals are on three powerful Cincinnati stations, two 50 kW AM blasters and one big FM signal. Another small to medium market team that offers its fan base superior radio coverage than the big market Jets!

I agree that the Jets could offer Emmis enough cash to simulcast on 101.9 FM. However, we don't know the terms of their contract with MSG Radio and WEPN. MSG Radio means you're dealing with the Dolans and that's a whole other issue! Rock formats with NFL football have been successful in many other markets.

CBS returned Giants' overflow games to 92.3 FM when listeners were upset last year when those games were on 101.1 FM. With CBS-FM now the #1 station in NY, that's not happening again. CBS may have given 92.3 NOW-FM a year to grow, but they are still trailing the other major pop stations substantially. Could the return of Giants' overflow games to 92.3 be a prelude to the possibility of WFAN on 660 AM and 92.3 FM? We shall see! :)
 
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