SHOULD WE GIVE UP ON RADIO?!?

[smashedcd]

Free markets deliver what consumers desire....if we, as a society, want better radio then we would get it!

i did!!! see below

 

[Radio_Realist]

Corporate ownership, poor FCC management, no talent announcers/entertainers, money is the ONLY reason for the medium, no creativity...the list goes on. Does anybody REALISTICALLY think radio as an art/business form can ever re-create what it once was? If not, maybe we should all get out now? Is the medium relegated to traffic and weather every 15 minutes or not?

Personally, I truly doubt we'll ever see radio as it was. In fact, I expect the medium to be gone within 20 years...relegated to a few scattered pirate stations around the country who think they're providing a public service when in fact they're just empty mouthpieces.

OK, that's my opinion, now who's gut guts! ;D

Radio today is already "nothing like it once was". There are no longer scripted dramas or comedies. The days of Amos and Andy, The Jack Benny Program, The Bickersons, The Shadow, and all the other great radio programs of yesteryear were destroyed by television, and radio made the transition to simply playing popular songs with a disc jockey talking in between records.

So, it looks like the format that replaced radio of the Golden Age of radio will also be replaced eventually. I don't know what will replace it, but replaced it will be.

 

[radiofriend1]

Corporate ownership, poor FCC management, no talent announcers/entertainers, money is the ONLY reason for the medium, no creativity...the list goes on. Does anybody REALISTICALLY think radio as an art/business form can ever re-create what it once was? If not, maybe we should all get out now? Is the medium relegated to traffic and weather every 15 minutes or not?

Personally, I truly doubt we'll ever see radio as it was. In fact, I expect the medium to be gone within 20 years...relegated to a few scattered pirate stations around the country who think they're providing a public service when in fact they're just empty mouthpieces.

OK, that's my opinion, now who's gut guts! ;D

Radio today is already "nothing like it once was". There are no longer scripted dramas or comedies. The days of Amos and Andy, The Jack Benny Program, The Bickersons, The Shadow, and all the other great radio programs of yesteryear were destroyed by television, and radio made the transition to simply playing popular songs with a disc jockey talking in between records.

So, it looks like the format that replaced radio of the Golden Age of radio will also be replaced eventually. I don't know what will replace it, but replaced it will be.

they were saying the same thing in the '70s---- and radio has survived..................

 

[fussbudget]

Oh Rochester, Rochester, turn on the Atwater Kent so we can listen to Fred Allen, would you?....

Right, those days are gone forever. Or are they? Programming such as "A Prairie Home Companion," still attracts a loyal nationwide audience each week. "Twlight Zone Radio," which is reworked TV scripts, seems to be holding its own. "The Grand Ole Opry," is going strong decades after its birth. Yes, that kind of creative radio isn't as prominent as it once was but in many ways, it is helping to keep radio going. No, I do not expect a resurgance of drama and comedy in an Ipod age.With the right mix of creativity, energy and money, someone could make radio much, much better. Will it happen? Probably not, because the corporate mentality won't change, even with the pressures of modern technology. More likely, radio will stumble along trying one forumla after another, just not the right one.

 

[smashedcd]

Corporate ownership, poor FCC management, no talent announcers/entertainers, money is the ONLY reason for the medium, no creativity...the list goes on. Does anybody REALISTICALLY think radio as an art/business form can ever re-create what it once was? If not, maybe we should all get out now? Is the medium relegated to traffic and weather every 15 minutes or not?

Personally, I truly doubt we'll ever see radio as it was. In fact, I expect the medium to be gone within 20 years...relegated to a few scattered pirate stations around the country who think they're providing a public service when in fact they're just empty mouthpieces.

OK, that's my opinion, now who's gut guts! ;D

Radio today is already "nothing like it once was". There are no longer scripted dramas or comedies. The days of Amos and Andy, The Jack Benny Program, The Bickersons, The Shadow, and all the other great radio programs of yesteryear were destroyed by television, and radio made the transition to simply playing popular songs with a disc jockey talking in between records.

So, it looks like the format that replaced radio of the Golden Age of radio will also be replaced eventually. I don't know what will replace it, but replaced it will be.

they were saying the same thing in the '70s---- and radio has survived..................

or has it....? in 1979 every tenneage kid listened to radio. remember there were 3 channels on tv. even most 20 and 30 somethings in 1979 listened to the radio. today i dont know of anyone outside this board that listens to radio for music. most people say the same thing. why listen to the radio they play the same songs over and over again. fm radio for me anyway is dead. there is no reasob to listen anymore. especially in my hometown. citadel and clear channel own everything. and aside from 1 variety hits format there is nothing on.is the variety hits station ok. yea. but they talk to much. they have opie and anthony in the morning and no music in the morning..and the stopsets are waayyyyyyyy to long...so radio people enjoy your medium. at least someone will..

 

[radiofriend1]

Corporate ownership, poor FCC management, no talent announcers/entertainers, money is the ONLY reason for the medium, no creativity...the list goes on. Does anybody REALISTICALLY think radio as an art/business form can ever re-create what it once was? If not, maybe we should all get out now? Is the medium relegated to traffic and weather every 15 minutes or not?

Personally, I truly doubt we'll ever see radio as it was. In fact, I expect the medium to be gone within 20 years...relegated to a few scattered pirate stations around the country who think they're providing a public service when in fact they're just empty mouthpieces.

OK, that's my opinion, now who's gut guts! ;D

Radio today is already "nothing like it once was". There are no longer scripted dramas or comedies. The days of Amos and Andy, The Jack Benny Program, The Bickersons, The Shadow, and all the other great radio programs of yesteryear were destroyed by television, and radio made the transition to simply playing popular songs with a disc jockey talking in between records.

So, it looks like the format that replaced radio of the Golden Age of radio will also be replaced eventually. I don't know what will replace it, but replaced it will be.

they were saying the same thing in the '70s---- and radio has survived..................

or has it....? in 1979 every tenneage kid listened to radio. remember there were 3 channels on tv. even most 20 and 30 somethings in 1979 listened to the radio. today i dont know of anyone outside this board that listens to radio for music. most people say the same thing. why listen to the radio they play the same songs over and over again. fm radio for me anyway is dead. there is no reasob to listen anymore. especially in my hometown. citadel and clear channel own everything. and aside from 1 variety hits format there is nothing on.is the variety hits station ok. yea. but they talk to much. they have opie and anthony in the morning and no music in the morning..and the stopsets are waayyyyyyyy to long...so radio people enjoy your medium. at least someone will..

but they said the same thing 30 yrs ago, too----a lot of this sure feels like people who live in the past and DON'T WANT TO move along with the times

if other businesses were like so many of U want radio to be:

** there would be 10 cable channels
** the Reliant K would be the cool car
** the Commodore 64 would be the high-tech computer of choice
** u would have to drive 75 miles to hit the nearest walmart
** Elvis would still be alive and using a walker to get on stage and perform

here's the thing--- the past CANNOT EVER BE CHANGED.......it's etched in time forever

GOOD NEWS: we can all influence TODAY and THE FUTURE

so..............if u don't like the radio---don't listen (and don't whine to us about how imperfect it is compared to **BACK IN THE DAY**)

 

[X-14]

MiddleGa.

I can't speak for the stations where you grew up... but I will tell you that in our area WCOH, WMKJ, WMGP, and WGSE did all of those things I talked about. Before I owned them and after.

Joe, when did you 'own' these stations? Just curious.

 

[smashedcd]

Corporate ownership, poor FCC management, no talent announcers/entertainers, money is the ONLY reason for the medium, no creativity...the list goes on. Does anybody REALISTICALLY think radio as an art/business form can ever re-create what it once was? If not, maybe we should all get out now? Is the medium relegated to traffic and weather every 15 minutes or not?

Personally, I truly doubt we'll ever see radio as it was. In fact, I expect the medium to be gone within 20 years...relegated to a few scattered pirate stations around the country who think they're providing a public service when in fact they're just empty mouthpieces.

OK, that's my opinion, now who's gut guts! ;D

Radio today is already "nothing like it once was". There are no longer scripted dramas or comedies. The days of Amos and Andy, The Jack Benny Program, The Bickersons, The Shadow, and all the other great radio programs of yesteryear were destroyed by television, and radio made the transition to simply playing popular songs with a disc jockey talking in between records.

So, it looks like the format that replaced radio of the Golden Age of radio will also be replaced eventually. I don't know what will replace it, but replaced it will be.

they were saying the same thing in the '70s---- and radio has survived..................

or has it....? in 1979 every tenneage kid listened to radio. remember there were 3 channels on tv. even most 20 and 30 somethings in 1979 listened to the radio. today i dont know of anyone outside this board that listens to radio for music. most people say the same thing. why listen to the radio they play the same songs over and over again. fm radio for me anyway is dead. there is no reasob to listen anymore. especially in my hometown. citadel and clear channel own everything. and aside from 1 variety hits format there is nothing on.is the variety hits station ok. yea. but they talk to much. they have opie and anthony in the morning and no music in the morning..and the stopsets are waayyyyyyyy to long...so radio people enjoy your medium. at least someone will..

but they said the same thing 30 yrs ago, too----a lot of this sure feels like people who live in the past and DON'T WANT TO move along with the times

if other businesses were like so many of U want radio to be:

** there would be 10 cable channels
** the Reliant K would be the cool car
** the Commodore 64 would be the high-tech computer of choice
** u would have to drive 75 miles to hit the nearest walmart
** Elvis would still be alive and using a walker to get on stage and perform

here's the thing--- the past CANNOT EVER BE CHANGED.......it's etched in time forever

GOOD NEWS: we can all influence TODAY and THE FUTURE

so..............if u don't like the radio---don't listen (and don't whine to us about how imperfect it is compared to **BACK IN THE DAY**)

i dont like it..i dont listen.. and this is a forum for radio and non radio people so i will continue to bitch about it till its fixed ;D

 

[radiofriend1]

i dont like it..i dont listen.. and this is a forum for radio and non radio people so i will continue to bitch about it till its fixed ;D

right......xcept BITCHING ABOUT IT WON'T GET IT FIXED

complaining is empty hot air if u don't offer solutions..............and the insecure ex-dj crowd does just that-----piss & moan with zero ideas or solutions

so............unless u can offer POSITIVE SOLUTIONS, PUH-LEEEZE go listen to satellite or your iPod

 

[zumahans]

Bitching about it won't get it fixed?

Sure it will.

By making our arguments here in a sincere and facutal manner, we can show radio bigshots that radio has got to change.

Never underestimate the power of the little seeds we are planting, grasshopper.

 

[smashedcd]

i dont like it..i dont listen.. and this is a forum for radio and non radio people so i will continue to bitch about it till its fixed ;D

right......xcept BITCHING ABOUT IT WON'T GET IT FIXED

complaining is empty hot air if u don't offer solutions..............and the insecure ex-dj crowd does just that-----piss & moan with zero ideas or solutions

so............unless u can offer POSITIVE SOLUTIONS, PUH-LEEEZE go listen to satellite or your iPod

well the only soulution is for it to change. by adding better music..less talk..and fewer commercials. or at least shorter stopsets. 2 minutes vs. 5 or 6 minutes. and by better music i am talking open up that very sheltered playlist ala 96 rock and start playing the music we all remember not just the music some CONsultant wants us to hear.

as for an ipod..what a waste of time and money. and as for sattelite radio..see below ;D

 

[radiofriend1]

Bitching about it won't get it fixed?

Sure it will.

By making our arguments here in a sincere and facutal manner, we can show radio bigshots that radio has got to change.

Never underestimate the power of the little seeds we are planting, grasshopper.

what u plainly do not get is that--IN LIFE-- people in charge do not hear people who complain for the sake of complaining, whether employee or customer

THEY DO HEAR people who offer ideas and solutions.................radio people who whine & cry for sake of doing so end up OUT of radio

 

[jpedicino]

MiddleGa.

I can't speak for the stations where you grew up... but I will tell you that in our area WCOH, WMKJ, WMGP, and WGSE did all of those things I talked about. Before I owned them and after.

Joe, when did you 'own' these stations? Just curious.

Last half of the 90's.... sold them to CC and ran them for five years before "leaving" end of last year. Before me they were owned by the Tarkenton's who also had made the stations extremely local.
Joe

 

[jpedicino]

Here's an example of what I mean by being "local". Funny thing is the guy listening was doing so on-line... but you will get the point. This is from the New-Talk newsletter that Perry Michael Simon, the Editor of the All Access News-Talk-Sports section sends out each week.



Here's what I'm talking about: yesterday, I was listening online to a Detroit radio station when the hosts, Deminski and Doyle (one of my afternoon teams in New Jersey a decade or so ago), were alerted by their producer to a massive traffic jam that had just materialized on I-696, a 30 car chain-reaction smashup. They stopped talking about whatever they were talking about before that, and that's when they did what would be called "revolutionary" if it had a dot-com after it.

They asked people stuck in the jam to call in.

And people called. They said where they were sitting, how long it had been, whether they saw any movement, whether there was any way to get off the freeway. This went on for a couple of segments, and for the rest of the show, after going back to other topics, the traffic situation was referred to frequently. And you knew that anyone who was stuck in the jam, and anyone sitting in their office as quittin' time approached but worried about how to get home, was sticking with them to find out what was going on.

He's right... that's what happens when you are live and local. Unlike some stations in a small town in Ga recently when the biggest traffic jam in the town's history took place and they hardly mentioned it in pm drive! The interstate, main road in, and main road out of town were all CLOSED... nobody moving more than 5-10 mph... and the pre taped pm drive just moving along like nothing was happening! Only during the taped traffic reports out of Atlanta did the stations mention the traffic problem. And some people wonder why no one counts on radio for anything any more.
Joe

 

[radiofriend1]

And some people wonder why no one counts on radio for anything any more.
Joe

well joe-i am afraid u are wrong on your blanket statement that **NO ONE COUNTS ON RADIO FOR ANYTHING ANYMORE**. please read below:

Survey: Radio Listening Remains Strong, 21% Listen More

Despite the various ways that new media provides to receive music and news, only a little more than one in four Americans (27 percent) said they are now listening to the radio less than they did five years ago. According to a survey by American Media Services, 51 percent said their radio listening hasn't changed during the past five years, and 21 percent said they are now listening more.

When asked to look ahead five years, only 11 percent said they expect to be listening to the radio less than they do now. Nearly three out of four (74 percent) said they expect to listen about the same, and 13 percent said they expect to listen more.

The survey also found that Americans rate radio as their primary source to learn about new music. When asked which ways they learn about new music, 63 percent said by listening to the radio. In comparison, 43 percent said it can be through talking with friends, 41 percent cited watching TV, while 24 percent cited reviews in newspapers or magazines, and 16 percent said the Internet.

Men are more likely than women, incidentally, to listen to the radio over the Internet. Forty percent of men, compared with 32 percent of women, said they have listened to the radio over the Internet, but the gender gap is likely to close in the future. 42 percent of men and 41 percent of women described themselves as likely to listen to radio on the web in the future. (09-13-06)

so joe-what is your source to back up your statement?????

 

[zumahans]

Interesting how the radio company "surveys" all show nothing is wrong, while a newspaper article says Arbirtron listener levels are down 14 percent over 10 years?

Do a Google news search for today, ace.

 

[radiofriend1]

Interesting how the radio company "surveys" all show nothing is wrong, while a newspaper article says Arbirtron listener levels are down 14 percent over 10 years?

Do a Google news search for today, ace.

a) name isn't ace
b) NOBODY is saying "nothing is wrong"
c) newspaper and network TV are also down over the past 15 years as new choices come out every day...............people can only take in so much media in 24 hrs a day

 

[smashedcd]

is the new york times a good source ;D


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/b...en=3ec38c17f8408ff2&ei=5099&partner=TOPIXNEWS

 

[zumahans]

Yup.

Trusted by far more Americans than Fox News, according to the Pew studies.

 

[DashRiprock]

Yup.

Trusted by far more Americans than Fox News, according to the Pew studies.

But I perfer the hot chicks in short skirts...