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chris12

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What are some times where a certain program or epiosde of a show was shown on the East Coast and Mid-West but because of uporar was pulled on the West Coast feed. I heard that the Gong Show episode with the popsicle girls act didn't make the West Coast as well as some markets like Chicago who had it on the late 4/3 ET feed.
 
Some SNL episodes were edited for the West Coast as I understand. Especially Charles Rocket dropping the F bomb. Most of the time isn't it world events that get shows dropped in the West..my un derstanding was ifr an episode is cancelled in the east it's also cancelled in the west so as not to lose continuity.
 
Then there's the opposite due to, among other things,
sports programming.

This past Saturday NBC had college football 3:30-7pm ET
so there was no 6:30 ET Nightly News on the east coast
feed, however it was fed to the left coast beginning with
the 5:30 PT feed. NBC filled all the breaks with promos/PSAs.

I forgot to research this other one, but yesterday (Sunday),
since CBS had a singleheader (three early and two late games)
did they feed the CBS Evening News at 6/6:30 ET to those
early game markets on the New York origination?

WCBS-TV New York had a late game (SD/OAK) which also aired
in Phoenix, and just after 7:00 ET I noticed the program title
slate said something to the effect of "60 Minutes-B" which to
me would indicate the "A" feed sat channel would have had the
net news at 6/6:30 and 60 Minutes straight up at 7.
 
chris12 said:
I heard that the Gong Show episode with the popsicle girls act didn't make the West Coast as well as some markets like Chicago who had it on the late 4/3 ET feed.

That particular episode with the Popsicle Twins did air in the west -- WITHOUT the offending segment, which was edited out. As I heard, NBC had to fill the lost time with PSAs.
 
...it happened again just last week, with KNBC/4 Los Angeles refusing to run part of a Conan O'Brien show involving the collision of toy trains. A couple of weeks back, there was a terrible Metrolink commuter train crash in the San Fernando Valley, so they pre-empted the bit there...
 
Ultimajock said:
...it happened again just last week, with KNBC/4 Los Angeles refusing to run part of a Conan O'Brien show involving the collision of toy trains. A couple of weeks back, there was a terrible Metrolink commuter train crash in the San Fernando Valley, so they pre-empted the bit there...

In fact, because O'Brien did that bit a few days later, KNBC again pulled the plug... and admitted why they were doing it.
 
If I recall correctly, this happened with The Price is Right in late 2005 when a trip to New Orleans was offered as a prize during a repeat airing from the previous season. This was shortly after Hurricane Katrina.
 
The "urban legend" about the infamous Turn-On was that it was pulled before it was ever fed to the West Coast. I think that has been debunked, but I believe a number of western ABC affiliates preempted it on their own initiative, either having heard about the negative uproar through the grapevine, or having monitored the earlier feed.
 
I'll take you 'way back to January 1950. Ed
Sullivan had a tap dancer named Paul Draper
on his show one Sunday night. Draper danced
to "Yankee Doodle Dandy" and in the audience
that night was Benson Ford of the Ford auto
family (Lincoln-Mercury sponsored Ed at the time),
who applauded long and loudly when Draper finished.
Somehow it hadn't came to Ed's attention that
Draper was on the blacklist for his liberal leanings
(this was just before Joe McCarthy's arrival on the
national scene, but I think Laurence Johnson was
already publishing "Red Channels" with the names of
"suspect" personalities whose politics happened to
skew liberal).

Nevertheless, when Ed found out about it he had
Draper's segment cut from the kinescope for the
West Coast, and he inserted an apology for it, explaining
about Draper's politics and that it was a sensitive issue.
Despite good intentions, it was not Ed's best moment.
Draper ended up in England, no longer able to make a career
in the U.S.
 
Stanislav said:
...Turn-On...but I believe a number of western ABC affiliates preempted it
on their own initiative, either having heard about the negative uproar through
the grapevine, or having monitored the earlier feed.

Grapevine perhaps, but not likely monitoring the east coast feed,
as left coast feed affiliates could not have seen it. This was well
before sat feeds--stations were fed via Telco line, and those up
and down the coast would get only what was coming out of ABC
in El Lay on Prospect.

ABC might have closed-circuited the show ahead of time for affil
review, something typically done after the DEF feed in the late
afternoon (which Prospect would have delayed and sent out in
between the last daytime show and the evening news first feed).

Based on the turmoil generated by the broadcast, if the show had
been previewed for the affils, there probably would have been a
much larger number of defections.

Speaking of the Turn On legend, didn't WEWS-TV Cleveland dump
the show in mid-broadcast?


bpatrick said:
Nevertheless, when Ed found out about it he had Draper's segment
cut from the kinescope for the West Coast, and he inserted an apology
for it, explaining about Draper's politics and that it was a sensitive issue.

We've previously been able to trace TV City turning Sullivan around three
hours later for the coast with a "hot kinnie" as early as 1954, but in 1950
I'm not sure what sort of interconnection there was out west, and there
was no TV City yet, so the edited kinnie may well have aired at least a
week later--same night seems real doubtful.
 
Tim L. needs to weigh in on the WEWS question, if anyone should know, it would be him. He might even have it on his Cleveland Classic Media site but I'm too tired to check.
 
Re Paul Draper's appearance on Sullivan, I also doubt
if it was seen the same night on the West Coast, since
the East-West connection wasn't completed until
September 1951, and I don't know how they could have
gotten a live feed into CBS's facilities at Columbia Square
(Television City didn't open until 1952). I know the reverse
was true: Ed Wynn and Alan Young's shows aired live on CBS
on the West Coast but on kinescope several days later in
the Eastern and Central time zones.

A delay of several days would have given the CBS people
time to delete Draper's appearance and Sullivan time to insert
his explanation for the segment being excised from the kine.
 
It was Denver's channel 9 ( KBTV/KUSA ) that turned off Turn-On halfway into the show.

As far as WEWS Cleveland goes...I never heard about them dumping the show in mid-broadcast HOWEVER WEWS did send a telegram the next day (?) to ABC-TV telling the network something like "..... if you naughty little boys want to write dirty words on the wall...please don't use our walls !!"

As far as the story about Turn-On due to some "legal agreement" between ABC-TV and Bristol-Myers ( the sponsor ) where the show was to be locked up and never be seen again..that one is false since Turn-On is available for viewing at The Museum of Radio & TV in NYC and I believe in California too.
 
mleach said:
As far as the story about Turn-On due to some "legal agreement" between ABC-TV and Bristol-Myers ( the sponsor ) where the show was to be locked up and never be seen again..that one is false since Turn-On is available for viewing at The Museum of Radio & TV in NYC and I believe in California too.

I assume you are referring to the one and only aired episode. I'm pretty sure that at least one or two more shows were "in the can" but never aired -- I wonder what happened to THAT footage?
 
Stanislav said:
mleach said:
As far as the story about Turn-On due to some "legal agreement" between ABC-TV and Bristol-Myers ( the sponsor ) where the show was to be locked up and never be seen again..that one is false since Turn-On is available for viewing at The Museum of Radio & TV in NYC and I believe in California too.

I assume you are referring to the one and only aired episode. I'm pretty sure that at least one or two more shows were "in the can" but never aired -- I wonder what happened to THAT footage?

...I believe either the Paley Center in Beverly Hills or UCLA -- or both? -- have that footage in kinescope form...

...as for Ohio stations pulling shows off the air in mid-screening, it was a Cincinnati station, WKRC-TV/12 (along with, IIRC, KATV/7 in Little Rock and WBBJ/7 in Jackson, Tennessee) that yanked the premiere broadcast of ABC In Concert when the program director saw what that week's star, Alice Cooper, did on stage...
 
YEKIMI said:
Tim L. needs to weigh in on the WEWS question, if anyone should know, it would be him. He might even have it on his Cleveland Classic Media site but I'm too tired to check.

I appreciate your confidence in me..That might be something to write about later..We'll see..MLeach has it about right as far as the WEWS GM quote about Turn-On. I watched the shoiw that night..I was 11 at the time, being a big fan of Laugh-In..The Show was just too strange and different to me..
 
Tim L said:
YEKIMI said:
Tim L. needs to weigh in on the WEWS question, if anyone should know, it would be him. He might even have it on his Cleveland Classic Media site but I'm too tired to check.

I appreciate your confidence in me..That might be something to write about later..We'll see..MLeach has it about right as far as the WEWS GM quote about Turn-On. I watched the shoiw that night..I was 11 at the time, being a big fan of Laugh-In..The Show was just too strange and different to me..

I was 10 myself when I saw the original (and only) broadcast. It was different, daring, outrageous, and unique for the times. It was also, however, not funny at all.
 
chris12 said:
What are some times where a certain program or epiosde of a show was shown on the East Coast and Mid-West but because of uporar was pulled on the West Coast feed.

I don't believe it was due to an uproar but the M*A*S*H spinoff called W*A*L*T*E*R was only shown in the Eastern and Central time zones. Apparently CBS didn't have much confidence in the show, despite having writers from the "Andy Griffith Show" (Everett Greenbaum), and "I Love Lucy" (Bob Schiller).

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0203189/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W*A*L*T*E*R
 
Related to this topic, I wonder if there was a case of a nationwide RADIO show where the feed was pulled/edited before the broadcast was heard out west?

There is this rather bizarre incident involving the Mike Harvey syndicated oldies show "Supergold" that I have heard over the years from a number of people including former co-workers. I am pretty sure this is an urban legend since I myself have never heard a tape of this and most of those who told me this had received their "info" from a second or even a third party, but anyway the story goes, back in the early 90's Supergold was giving away a trip on a family cruise. The winner calls in and Mike has him on the air. After the usual radio talk "..I am so happy I won !!", Mike Harvey asks something like "so who are you taking?" The man responds with "my male lover !! He has AIDS and this will be our last trip together". Harvey then says loudly "cut this sicko off..god damn it !!" Then dead air followed by ( depending who tells the story ) The Beatles "Hey Jude" or Grand Funk's "I'm Your Captain"...then Mike comes back on the air and made some comment about about how he doesn't approve of the gay lifestyle and gay men/women shouldn't even consider calling into Supergold and that if he had his way he wouldn't play tunes by "fa**ots" such as Elton John, Dusty Springfield, Johnny Mathis and Neil Sedaka. Then Mike takes another call and tells that person ( a woman ) that she is the new winner for that cruise. By the time Supergold reached the west coast, the first winner and the anti-gay remarks were totally edited out.

As I said earlier, I believe this whole story was nothing more of an urban legend. So many wrongs !!! Such as, had Mike Harvey denied the trip to the first winner only because he planned on taking someone with AIDS, Mike and Supergold would have been sued big time ( not too mention the show would never had recovered from this ). Plus I am pretty sure Harvey is/was good friends at the time with Dusty Springfield, Johhny Mathas and Neil Sedaka so why would he call his friends such a terrible name on the air and on his own show? And aren't all the calls on Supergold including the winners of those contests taped in advance? Plus isn't Mike Harvey himself gay? I am NOT saying he is or isn't just that over the years I heard that he was.

Still though with so many cases of televsion shows for one reason or another being pulled before they aired out west, I wonder if this has happened with radio ( in modern times ) as well?
 
mleach said:
Related to this topic, I wonder if there was a case of a nationwide RADIO show where the feed was pulled/edited before the broadcast was heard out west?

...there was one notable instance in the 1930s where an entire script had to be changed because half the cast was unavailable, and the other half was barely able to make the second broadcast at all. It was an episode of "Amos 'n Andy," at the time in the mid-'30s when it originated live from NBC's Merchandise Mart studios in Chicago twice a night (one broadcast for the Eastern, Central and parts of the Mountain time zones, and the second for the Pacific and the remainder of the Mountain). As the show was not regularly linechecked during this period, no recordings of either broadcast are known to exist. Charles Correll, who played Andy, was present only for the first broadcast, because his pregnant wife went into labor minutes before the broadcast started. Correll went to the hospital where his wife was giving birth, expecting to return before the West Coast show, but his wife and baby had both died before he could arrive at the hospital. This left Freeman Gosden, who played both Amos and The Kingfish, alone to broadcast the second show, as Andy describing the storyline to the listener in a first-person conversational manner. Seconds after the show ended, Gosden buried his face in his arms on the studio table and wept bitterly for an hour before bringing himself to vacate the studio and go home...
 
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