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Sign of trouble for the CW

Darrel M said:
tested said:
Wonder when the Tribune deal with CW ends?
Tribune signed a 10-year agreement for its CW affiliates that ends in 2016. One would wonder, though, just how iron-clad that agreement is when you look at how KSWB-TV is transitioning from CW to FOX after just 2 years.

Exactly but I guess they just make some sort of financial settlement with the dropped affiliate.

WGN has a lot of visual references to the CW still

I guess the thing to ask is, first does the CW show a profit? If not does it have some other purpose, like a tax write off.

Just out of curiosity, when does Ted Turner's non-compete agreement with Warner expire, it should be soon if not alreay.
 
The rumor going around St. Louis is that Tribune wants the CW off all of its stations as soon as possible. Rumors persist that KPLR 11 will make a run at ABC in the very near future.
 
Kent said:
The rumor going around St. Louis is that Tribune wants the CW off all of its stations as soon as possible. Rumors persist that KPLR 11 will make a run at ABC in the very near future.

Good news for KPLR... KDNL (ABC 30) of St. Louis affiliation agreement expires December 31, 2009.

Source: SBGI's SEC filings
 
jal41 said:
CBS O&O WUPA Atlanta is still "CW 69" (which they did change to...from the original "CW Atlanta"), licensed to "Atlanta Television Station WUPA Inc." (WPSG "CW Philly" is a CBS O&O as well).

KTLA and WGN never have identified with the CW (nor the WB). WPIX was "CW 11" at last check. If WPIX ditches that branding...that is a true sign Tribune has no faith in the CW. If Tribune ditches their agreement...the CW will shut down, as they will lose market clearances in the top 3 markets, and that will send a signal to everyone else that there is no future for the CW.

Two years ago, when the CW and My Network TV launched, everyone was predicting MyNet would crash in burn in a few months due to the all-soap opera format that was the original plan, and that the CW might be around for a while. It looks like MyNet will outlive the CW.

KTLA has already been brought up, but I seem to recall WGN had a CW logo in its logo at first as well.

I wonder if CBS and/or TimeWarner has been making overtures to FOX for a potential CW-MyNet merger. Here's what may end up happening:

*2009: CW and MyNet merge, divvying up CBS-owned CW stations and Fox-owned MyNet stations. All Tribune stations are left out of merger. Tribune forms its own separate network, possibly a revival of the WB with its old partner.
*At some point down the line, the CW-MyNet merger itself merges with the new WB. This time CBS, Fox, and Tribune stations are divvied up fairly, creating as strong a network as possible. Meanwhile, the CW's mistakes, and those of the two predecessor networks, are properly learned and a real plan is made. That includes not pissing off Sinclair and LIN too much; those two owners combined own stations in most of the upper-mid-sized markets that come after the ones with CBS/Fox/Tribune-owned stations, including multiple stations in markets where the other network is either absent or (in the case of LIN's KNVA Austin) on the same station. Pissing off Sinclair enough to send, among others, Cincinnati's WSTR to MyNet was one of the CW's early mistakes.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if TimeWarner made an offer Fox couldn't refuse for the MyNet stations and network and revived the WB on the latter, and possibly bought (and/or affiliated with) a few CBS and Tribune stations for good measure. (Would WPCH, the former WTBS, be included in such a revival?) They recently spun off Time Warner Cable, so regulatory restrictions resulting from that shouldn't be an issue unless there are intricities of that I'm not familiar with. That would also allow stations like WGN, which some would argue should be independent, to go independent.

Back to reality. One interesting issue surrounding the CW folding and MyNet living on is that in most markets, MyNet is on the CW's rejects. In markets where Tribune owns a CW station but Fox does not own the MyNet station, could Tribune's skepticism on the CW mean a lessening of that problem in the near future? I smell WSFL, KWGN, KPLR, KRCW, WTTV, WTXX, and WNOL being MyNet-bound if the CW doesn't fold and Trbune remains skepticism. That really improves MyNet's standing, especially since KWGN and KPLR are strong, Big Four-caliber stations that produce their own news, and those two stations and WTTV are on VHF. (One interesting wrinkle is that the only remaining CBS-owned MyNet station, WBFS, would then move to the CW in a heartbeat. The other markets, though, would pose a big problem for the CW. It'd be interesting to see how willing Gannett, Roberts Broadcasting, Meredith, LIN, and Belo would be to affiliate with the CW after seeing Tribune ditch it.) WPIX, KTLA, WGN, KDAF, WDCW, and KIAH would then be the only Tribune-owned CW stations, and Tribune could well make KTLA and KDAF independent with a mutual agreement with CBS that would move the CW to KCAL and KTXA.

(Regardless of how plausible the above scenario is, I'd be surprised if Tribune didn't move KPLR to ABC by January 2010, and positively shocked if they still didn't do it while the CW miraculously wasn't folding by then, after reading the last two posts.)
 
Kent said:
The rumor going around St. Louis is that Tribune wants the CW off all of its stations as soon as possible.


So I guess that would explain the recent rebranding at KWGN since it's owned by Tribune.
 
Doesn't the CW (like the WB and UPN before it) require the TV stations pay the nework instead of the network paying the affiliate, to carry the programs. (CBS, NBC and ABC pay affiliates to carry their shows, I don't know about FOX)
 
Kent said:
The rumor going around St. Louis is that Tribune wants the CW off all of its stations as soon as possible. Rumors persist that KPLR 11 will make a run at ABC in the very near future.

Where did you hear this rumor? It certainly fits with the information in this thread.

Given the actions of the new Tribune owner it seems completely logical that KPLR would go after the ABC affiliation. KDNL is a joke of a station. They dropped their local news about 5 years ago. The ratings for ABC in that market are awful. They would definitely pick up if the network moved to KPLR.
For that matter, I think KDNL would be a better CW affiliate than KPLR. I'm sure KDNL would pick up a lot of the syndicated programming that now fills KPLR's day.
 
ChaseW said:
Kent said:
The rumor going around St. Louis is that Tribune wants the CW off all of its stations as soon as possible.


So I guess that would explain the recent rebranding at KWGN since it's owned by Tribune.

I don't mean to hijack the thread, but since somebody at Wikipedia removed my references to the KWGN re-branding, I wanted to post a few screencaps here to prove the re-branding (see the last one below). Also, KWGN did a logo montage, similar to that done by WPIX New York in 2006 when it transitioned from WB to the CW. They, unlike WPIX, have played their montage numerous times. These are the logos from the montage in chronological order:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1644.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1640.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1641.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1645.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1646.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1647.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1653.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1649.jpg

The whole thing is accompanied by a cover version of the song "Changes" by David Bowie. I have no idea why they didn't update their web page at or near the time they re-branded. It still says "CW2" there, using the standard Tribune CW template.
 
If the show being syndicated to the Tribune Stations (and others) this fall, "Wizard's First Rule" becomes a sucess, and Tribune does indeed say 'buh-bye' the the CW....there may indded be a new Tribune Netwok on the horizon....powered by Disney ;D
 
mrfish67 said:
I don't mean to hijack the thread, but since somebody at Wikipedia removed my references to the KWGN re-branding, I wanted to post a few screencaps here to prove the re-branding (see the last one below). Also, KWGN did a logo montage, similar to that done by WPIX New York in 2006 when it transitioned from WB to the CW. They, unlike WPIX, have played their montage numerous times. These are the logos from the montage in chronological order:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1644.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1640.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1641.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1645.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1646.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1647.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1653.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1649.jpg

The whole thing is accompanied by a cover version of the song "Changes" by David Bowie. I have no idea why they didn't update their web page at or near the time they re-branded. It still says "CW2" there, using the standard Tribune CW template.
Nice sequence of logos, but they may have left out the "double ribbon 2" from the late 70s.

Say, was there any video link? I imagine these screenshots do not do the sequence justice.
 
Darrel M said:
mrfish67 said:
I don't mean to hijack the thread, but since somebody at Wikipedia removed my references to the KWGN re-branding, I wanted to post a few screencaps here to prove the re-branding (see the last one below). Also, KWGN did a logo montage, similar to that done by WPIX New York in 2006 when it transitioned from WB to the CW. They, unlike WPIX, have played their montage numerous times. These are the logos from the montage in chronological order:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1644.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1640.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1641.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1645.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1646.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1647.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1653.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1649.jpg

The whole thing is accompanied by a cover version of the song "Changes" by David Bowie. I have no idea why they didn't update their web page at or near the time they re-branded. It still says "CW2" there, using the standard Tribune CW template.
Nice sequence of logos, but they may have left out the "double ribbon 2" from the late 70s.

Say, was there any video link? I imagine these screenshots do not do the sequence justice.

It was difficult getting these pictures because the entire sequence was over in less than 12 seconds. These pix were taken directly from the TV through rather low-tech means. I had to freeze-frame from the beginning, and advance the DVR by 1/15 of a second at a time to get the shots. As was the case with the WPIX montage in 2006, I have yet to see the KWGN montage on Youtube. It would probably make the lawyers squeak and gibber if it were there anyhow.

And you're right, the "2" that you mention was not included. At any rate, I was glad to have proof of the re-branding for the officious soul at Wikipedia who did not feel it was appropriate to mention the re-branding since it wasn't on the KWGN website. ::)
 
How extensively has WGN/Chicago branded with the CW?

I only see it, of course, through what's now known as "WGN America". But catching the last few minutes of last night's "News at Nine", I didn't see "CW" anywhere during the newscast...and I could have sworn that they at least at a not-properly-colored (blue instead of green) "CW" in the logo during the news.

It's hard to tell, because WGN America doesn't run the Chicago-local spot breaks...so I can't see any other branding that might include CW.
 
OhioMediaWatch said:
How extensively has WGN/Chicago branded with the CW?

I only see it, of course, through what's now known as "WGN America". But catching the last few minutes of last night's "News at Nine", I didn't see "CW" anywhere during the newscast...and I could have sworn that they at least at a not-properly-colored (blue instead of green) "CW" in the logo during the news.

It's hard to tell, because WGN America doesn't run the Chicago-local spot breaks...so I can't see any other branding that might include CW.

WGN does not ever use CW branding during its newscasts, most likely because it would confuse viewers of WGN America. The "WGN9 CW" logo does show up at the end of the Illinois lottery sequence, which is run on WGN America during its newscasts. That probably does make some people scratch their heads. One wonders why they don't just use the WGN9 block letter logo without the CW logo during that sequence to avoid the confusion.

Furthermore, the CW portion of the logo does not appear during sports events, which are usually shown on both WGN local and WGN America.
 
mrfish67 said:
WGN does not ever use CW branding during its newscasts, most likely because it would confuse viewers of WGN America. The "WGN9 CW" logo does show up at the end of the Illinois lottery sequence, which is run on WGN America during its newscasts. That probably does make some people scratch their heads. One wonders why they don't just use the WGN9 block letter logo without the CW logo during that sequence to avoid the confusion.

I think you've solved my mystery...I do recall seeing the "WGN9 CW" logo in the Illinois Lottery section of the newscast, now that I think of it.
 
mrfish67 said:
ChaseW said:
Kent said:
The rumor going around St. Louis is that Tribune wants the CW off all of its stations as soon as possible.


So I guess that would explain the recent rebranding at KWGN since it's owned by Tribune.

I don't mean to hijack the thread, but since somebody at Wikipedia removed my references to the KWGN re-branding, I wanted to post a few screencaps here to prove the re-branding (see the last one below). Also, KWGN did a logo montage, similar to that done by WPIX New York in 2006 when it transitioned from WB to the CW. They, unlike WPIX, have played their montage numerous times. These are the logos from the montage in chronological order:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1644.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1640.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1641.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1645.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1646.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1647.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1653.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/mrfish67/100_1649.jpg

The whole thing is accompanied by a cover version of the song "Changes" by David Bowie. I have no idea why they didn't update their web page at or near the time they re-branded. It still says "CW2" there, using the standard Tribune CW template.

I read about the rebranding earlier in the month and was just waiting for the logos to come by myself so I could add them to the article. As one of the heavier editors in the WP:TVS project I always hate it when an editor takes 'the website' as the gospel when it comes to a new logo, especially from locals or actual viewers of the station (not even considering the fact that most of these redesigned sites won't launch until the launch of the syndie season after Labor Day as was done with the CW launch). I will add your logo to the article with credit and on behalf of those who kept the info out, apologize. Let me know if you wouldn't mind it or not :).

As for everything else within this thread, especially the KPLR rumors, it definitely gives me a good eye on the situation.
 
RadioFanBoy said:
If the show being syndicated to the Tribune Stations (and others) this fall, "Wizard's First Rule" becomes a sucess, and Tribune does indeed say 'buh-bye' the the CW....there may indeed be a new Tribune Network on the horizon....powered by Disney ;D
Maybe if ABC/Disney gets a secondary net, they could also use it to give Leno a home. They could even offer current ABC affils the first option to take the secondary net in non-Tribune markets, and this would give them a choice, they could run Leno or Nightline, with the one the ABC affil doesn't pick going to the secondary net.
 
I read about the rebranding earlier in the month and was just waiting for the logos to come by myself so I could add them to the article. As one of the heavier editors in the WP:TVS project I always hate it when an editor takes 'the website' as the gospel when it comes to a new logo, especially from locals or actual viewers of the station (not even considering the fact that most of these redesigned sites won't launch until the launch of the syndie season after Labor Day as was done with the CW launch). I will add your logo to the article with credit and on behalf of those who kept the info out, apologize. Let me know if you wouldn't mind it or not :).

As for everything else within this thread, especially the KPLR rumors, it definitely gives me a good eye on the situation.

I did jump onto this logo change right away, editing the article on or soon after the day the re-branding happened. I certainly do not mind if you add the logo to the article. It will be interesting, too, to see how things go with KIAH, KDAF, and, most recently, WDCW.
 
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