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Significantly Viewed on DirecTV

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There is posts on DBSTalk.com, that DirecTV will be implementing 'significantly viewed' nationwide, at no additional costs beginning mid November.

Locally, that means some residents will get NY channels in the northern areas of the market (like Trenton, and Princeton). Reading, PA customers may qualify for WGAL 8, along with Philadelphia channels. Lancaster residents will qualify for some Philly channels.

I'll wait and see if Southern Monmouth and Ocean County gets Philadelphia channels, which will benefit Philly of course. Any more exposure to Philly is good for us.

The best place to have a DirecTV account might be in the Phillipsburg, NJ area, as its NY sports market area (according to directvsports.com, where Comcast SportsNet has no exclusive priviledge to blackout Philadelphia sports on ESPN, the sports packages, etc. All NY teams are considered exclusive local.

But what's special is that area might qualify for Philadelphia broadcast stations as well as NY broadcast stations, so local Philadelphia TV will still be available.
 
> There is posts on DBSTalk.com, that DirecTV will be
> implementing 'significantly viewed' nationwide, at no
> additional costs beginning mid November.
>
> Locally, that means some residents will get NY channels in
> the northern areas of the market (like Trenton, and
> Princeton). Reading, PA customers may qualify for WGAL 8,
> along with Philadelphia channels. Lancaster residents will
> qualify for some Philly channels.
>
> I'll wait and see if Southern Monmouth and Ocean County gets
> Philadelphia channels, which will benefit Philly of course.
> Any more exposure to Philly is good for us.
>

I believe Ocean County will be getting Channel 6 (didn't hear anything about 3 or 10)<P ID="signature">______________


New Jersey Radio Board moderator
</P>
 
Does this mean I could finally get Comcast Sportsnet-Philly in the Allentown area now ?
 
I live in Hudson County, NJ, right outside of NYC. Is anything going to be added here? I assume not unless they decide to add some of the LP stations.


> There is posts on DBSTalk.com, that DirecTV will be
> implementing 'significantly viewed' nationwide, at no
> additional costs beginning mid November.
>
> Locally, that means some residents will get NY channels in
> the northern areas of the market (like Trenton, and
> Princeton). Reading, PA customers may qualify for WGAL 8,
> along with Philadelphia channels. Lancaster residents will
> qualify for some Philly channels.
>
> I'll wait and see if Southern Monmouth and Ocean County gets
> Philadelphia channels, which will benefit Philly of course.
> Any more exposure to Philly is good for us.
>
> The best place to have a DirecTV account might be in the
> Phillipsburg, NJ area, as its NY sports market area
> (according to directvsports.com, where Comcast SportsNet has
> no exclusive priviledge to blackout Philadelphia sports on
> ESPN, the sports packages, etc. All NY teams are
> considered exclusive local.
>
> But what's special is that area might qualify for
> Philadelphia broadcast stations as well as NY broadcast
> stations, so local Philadelphia TV will still be available.
>
 
> I live in Hudson County, NJ, right outside of NYC. Is
> anything going to be added here? I assume not unless they
> decide to add some of the LP stations.
>

The following info is coming from http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-05-24A1.pdf
It's 460 pages long, so I'll summarize what's of interest to this area ...

New Jersey --
<U>Atlantic County</U>
Philly market stations

<U>Bergen County</U>
NYC market stations

<U>Burlington County</U>
Philly market stations

<U>Camden County</U>
Philly market stations

<U>Cape May County</U>
Philly market stations

<U>Cumberland County</U>
Philly market stations

<U>Essex County</U>
NYC market stations

<U>Gloucester County</U>
Philly market stations

<U>Hudson County</U>
NYC market stations

<U>Hunterdon County</U>
NYC market stations - plus Philly's 3, 6, 10, 29 and 57

<U>Mercer County</U>
Philly market stations - plus NYC's 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11

<U>Middlesex County</U>
NYC market stations

<U>Monmouth County</U>
NYC market stations

<U>Morris County</U>
NYC market stations

<U>Ocean County</U>
NYC market stations - plus Philly's 6

<U>Passaic County</U>
NYC market stations

<U>Salem County</U>
Philly market stations

<U>Somerset County</U>
NYC market stations

<U>Sussex County</U>
NYC market stations

<U>Union County</U>
NYC market stations

<U>Warren County</U>
Philly's 3, 6, 10
NYC's 2, 4, 5, 7, 11
Allentown's 69

So, in the end, the only counties that will benefit from this will be Hunterdon, Mercer, Ocean and Warren counties ...<P ID="signature">______________


New Jersey Radio Board moderator
</P>
 
Re: Significantly Viewed on DirecTV - PA

Couple of weird things about the FCC list:

It says channel 48 is in Altoona?
And some home market stations don't make the list (for example, UPN 57 is not "signfinicantly viewed" in Philadelphia County - maybe the WakeUPNews is really driving away viewers, or maybe no Star Trek).

Here are the out of market stations available on the PA Side of the Delaware:

Berks - Phila market stations plus WGAL-TV8, Lancaster
Carbon - Phila market stations plus channel 16, Scranton
Northampton - Phila market stations plus New York 5, 9 and 11

Kent (DE) - Phila market stations plus Baltimore 2, 11, 47
Cecil (MD) - Phila AND Baltimore market stations

Cecil County is in the Baltimore TV market but the Wilmington radio market. I wonder if they get ballgames for both markets? (Might be a good reason to move.)
With a decent roof antenna in many parts of Cecil County, you can also get Washington TV.

Mostly, the list takes us back to pre-cable/roof antenna days when people in fringe areas often got TV from two or more markets. The big difference is the arbitrary division by county lines and TV signals don't neatly follow political boundaries. This does not reflect, for example, that in the mid 70's and before, people in Northeast Philadelphia (north of Cottman) with a roof antenna and a rotor could - and did - watch New York TV (to avoid NFL Black-outs and for New York's indie stations at the time).
 
Re: Significantly Viewed on DirecTV - PA

> Kent (DE) - Phila market stations plus Baltimore 2, 11, 47

WMDT-47 (ABC) is in the Salisbury market IIRC. But doesn't Kent (DE) view Salisbury's WBOC-16 (CBS) significantly as well? Heck, WBOC has a Dover bureau right on Route 13 between Dover and Camden, DE.

ixnay
 
Re: Significantly Viewed on DirecTV - PA

> > Kent (DE) - Phila market stations plus Baltimore 2, 11, 47
>
>
> WMDT-47 (ABC) is in the Salisbury market IIRC. But doesn't
> Kent (DE) view Salisbury's WBOC-16 (CBS) significantly as
> well? Heck, WBOC has a Dover bureau right on Route 13
> between Dover and Camden, DE.
>
> ixnay
>

For the time being, DirecTV doesn't have Salisbury channels carried. But, I believe WBOC and WMDT are both signficantly viewed in mid-Delaware (Kent County). Knowing how their signal reaches Southern NJ in summer, they come in very strong as UHFs, unlike say WMGM. Comcast also must-carry those stations, as they request mustcarry and if the city of license (Salisbury) is closer than Philadelphia.

Dover is listed as 54 miles from Salisbury, 62 miles from Philadelphia, so Comcast cannot drop them in Dover or Kent County. If Phila. was closer, Comcast can consider them duplicate and drop those signals. As cable carries it, I'm sure the stations make consideration in their newscasts and local efforts to include Southern and mid-Delaware in their viewing area.

The FCC list is outdated and incomplete, but DirecTV will likely start out with it. Being optimistic, if DirecTV adds Salisbury stations, both the Salisbury stations might claim that Kent County is also part of their viewing area, besides just the Salisbury DMA, and they give some sort of proof that they are significantly viewed there.
 
Re: Significantly Viewed on DirecTV - PA

The list was made in 1972, with only few changes from then.

> Couple of weird things about the FCC list:
>
> It says channel 48 is in Altoona?
> And some home market stations don't make the list (for
> example, UPN 57 is not "signfinicantly viewed" in
> Philadelphia County - maybe the WakeUPNews is really driving
> away viewers, or maybe no Star Trek).
>
> Here are the out of market stations available on the PA Side
> of the Delaware:
>
> Berks - Phila market stations plus WGAL-TV8, Lancaster
> Carbon - Phila market stations plus channel 16, Scranton
> Northampton - Phila market stations plus New York 5, 9 and
> 11
>
> Kent (DE) - Phila market stations plus Baltimore 2, 11, 47
> Cecil (MD) - Phila AND Baltimore market stations
>
> Cecil County is in the Baltimore TV market but the
> Wilmington radio market. I wonder if they get ballgames for
> both markets? (Might be a good reason to move.)
> With a decent roof antenna in many parts of Cecil County,
> you can also get Washington TV.
>
> Mostly, the list takes us back to pre-cable/roof antenna
> days when people in fringe areas often got TV from two or
> more markets. The big difference is the arbitrary division
> by county lines and TV signals don't neatly follow political
> boundaries. This does not reflect, for example, that in the
> mid 70's and before, people in Northeast Philadelphia (north
> of Cottman) with a roof antenna and a rotor could - and did
> - watch New York TV (to avoid NFL Black-outs and for New
> York's indie stations at the time).
>
 
> > I live in Hudson County, NJ, right outside of NYC. Is
> > anything going to be added here? I assume not unless they
>
> > decide to add some of the LP stations.
> >
>
> The following info is coming from
http:> //hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-05-24A1.pdf
>
> It's 460 pages long, so I'll summarize what's of interest to
> this area ...
>
> New Jersey --
> Atlantic County
> Philly market stations
>
> Bergen County
> NYC market stations
>
> Burlington County
> Philly market stations
>
> Camden County
> Philly market stations
>
> Cape May County
> Philly market stations
>
> Cumberland County
> Philly market stations
>
> Essex County
> NYC market stations
>
> Gloucester County
> Philly market stations
>
> Hudson County
> NYC market stations
>
> Hunterdon County
> NYC market stations - plus Philly's 3, 6, 10, 29 and 57
>
> Mercer County
> Philly market stations - plus NYC's 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11
>
> Middlesex County
> NYC market stations
>
> Monmouth County
> NYC market stations
>
> Morris County
> NYC market stations
>
> Ocean County
> NYC market stations - plus Philly's 6
>
> Passaic County
> NYC market stations
>
> Salem County
> Philly market stations
>
> Somerset County
> NYC market stations
>
> Sussex County
> NYC market stations
>
> Union County
> NYC market stations
>
> Warren County
> Philly's 3, 6, 10
> NYC's 2, 4, 5, 7, 11
> Allentown's 69
>
> So, in the end, the only counties that will benefit from
> this will be Hunterdon, Mercer, Ocean and Warren counties
> ...
>

Ocean Co. really needs the full set of Phila. stations, or atleast the majors: 3, 10, 17, 29, and 57, along with 6, just like the cable companies carry. To be exact, Cablevision Jackson (cable system overlaps into Monmouth) doesn't carry KYW or WPSG, but they do carry WYBE 35 and WHYY 12, for whatever reason. Maybe WWOR (Fox-owned) doesn't want WPSG reaching Monmouth County, and KYW was dropped back when it was an NBC affiliate.

Ocean Co. is also Phillies territory; WPSG should be available. Likewise FOX 29 should be there too.

Comcast carries all the main Philly channels, except TBN, in Ocean Co. The major nets. have lot of weather coverage for Southern NJ, plus NJ (Trenton) news, that is equally or more relevant than NY locals for that growing and considerable big county.
 
Re: Significantly Viewed on DirecTV - PA

No, it's not about distance. Must carry is based on market definitions. Cable systems must carry any TV station in the market which requests it. They are not obliged to carry out of market stations.

Kent County is assigned to the Philadelphia market, not Salisbury.



>
> For the time being, DirecTV doesn't have Salisbury channels
> carried. But, I believe WBOC and WMDT are both
> signficantly viewed in mid-Delaware (Kent County). Knowing
> how their signal reaches Southern NJ in summer, they come in
> very strong as UHFs, unlike say WMGM. Comcast also
> must-carry those stations, as they request mustcarry and if
> the city of license (Salisbury) is closer than Philadelphia.
>
>
> Dover is listed as 54 miles from Salisbury, 62 miles from
> Philadelphia, so Comcast cannot drop them in Dover or Kent
> County. If Phila. was closer, Comcast can consider them
> duplicate and drop those signals. As cable carries it,
> I'm sure the stations make consideration in their newscasts
> and local efforts to include Southern and mid-Delaware in
> their viewing area.
>
> The FCC list is outdated and incomplete, but DirecTV will
> likely start out with it. Being optimistic, if DirecTV
> adds Salisbury stations, both the Salisbury stations might
> claim that Kent County is also part of their viewing area,
> besides just the Salisbury DMA, and they give some sort of
> proof that they are significantly viewed there.
>
 
Re: Significantly Viewed on DirecTV - PA

> Cecil County is in the Baltimore TV market but the
> Wilmington radio market. I wonder if they get ballgames for
> both markets? (Might be a good reason to move.)
> With a decent roof antenna in many parts of Cecil County,
> you can also get Washington TV.
>

My dad was born in Cecilton, MD and during that time television did not exist then. When he was six months old, his parents(my late paternal grandparents) adopted him and he moved to NEPA. Three years later, the first TV station in the NEPA market signed on the air. It is WBRE-TV and it is still an NBC affiliate to this day.
 
Re: Significantly Viewed on DirecTV - PA

> Cecil County is in the Baltimore TV market but the
> Wilmington radio market. I wonder if they get ballgames for
> both markets? (Might be a good reason to move.)
> With a decent roof antenna in many parts of Cecil County,
> you can also get Washington TV.
>

My dad was born in Cecilton, MD and during that time television did not exist then. When he was six months old, his parents(my late paternal grandparents) adopted him and he moved to NEPA. Three years later, the first TV station in the NEPA market signed on the air. It is WBRE-TV and it is still an NBC affiliate to this day.
 
Re: Significantly Viewed on DirecTV - PA

I meant for out of market stations. Out of market stations DO have mustcarry on cable, depending on proximity.

WGAL 8, for example, is must-carry in Comcast Reading, and they have claim for the Ch.8 position also.

Likewise, Comcast must carry Salisbury TV signals in Kent County, along with Philly signals.

> No, it's not about distance. Must carry is based on market
> definitions. Cable systems must carry any TV station in the
> market which requests it. They are not obliged to carry out
> of market stations.
>
> Kent County is assigned to the Philadelphia market, not
> Salisbury.
>
>
>
> >
> > For the time being, DirecTV doesn't have Salisbury
> channels
> > carried. But, I believe WBOC and WMDT are both
> > signficantly viewed in mid-Delaware (Kent County).
> Knowing
> > how their signal reaches Southern NJ in summer, they come
> in
> > very strong as UHFs, unlike say WMGM. Comcast also
> > must-carry those stations, as they request mustcarry and
> if
> > the city of license (Salisbury) is closer than
> Philadelphia.
> >
> >
> > Dover is listed as 54 miles from Salisbury, 62 miles from
> > Philadelphia, so Comcast cannot drop them in Dover or Kent
>
> > County. If Phila. was closer, Comcast can consider them
> > duplicate and drop those signals. As cable carries it,
> > I'm sure the stations make consideration in their
> newscasts
> > and local efforts to include Southern and mid-Delaware in
> > their viewing area.
> >
> > The FCC list is outdated and incomplete, but DirecTV will
> > likely start out with it. Being optimistic, if DirecTV
> > adds Salisbury stations, both the Salisbury stations might
>
> > claim that Kent County is also part of their viewing area,
>
> > besides just the Salisbury DMA, and they give some sort of
>
> > proof that they are significantly viewed there.
> >
>
 
How is this all figured out?
If I go get a Direct TV and live just over the Philadelphia city line can I get New York stations? Does it work the other way too?
 
Re: Significantly Viewed on DirecTV - PA

> Northampton - Phila market stations plus New York 5, 9,11

How are people in Northhampton County more Significantly viewing 5,9, and 11 more so than people in lehigh county? I would say the viewing there of these channels would be pretty even according to the changing demographics of the Lehigh valley
 
> How is this all figured out?
> If I go get a Direct TV and live just over the Philadelphia
> city line can I get New York stations? Does it work the
> other way too?
>

The stations you get depend on the county you are in and just over the line is as good as right in the middle. None of the counties which border Philadelphia County qualify for New York stations (either by being in the New York market or by having "significantly viewed" NYC stations). If you want New York TV and live in the Far Northeast or across the line in lower Bucks, your best shot is to put up a good roof antenna with a rotor. There are other solutions but they are not legal.

The New Hope - Lambertville area used to be great for TV geeks. The cable system covered both sides of the river and you got all the New York and Philly stations.
 
> I'll wait and see if Southern Monmouth and Ocean County gets
> Philadelphia channels, which will benefit Philly of course.
> Any more exposure to Philly is good for us.

All of Ocean County will be getting WPVI for sure, it's up in the air as to if KYW, WCAU, WHYY, WPHL, WTXF & WPSG will come along too.
 
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