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Simian and 64 bit Windows 7
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Run the installer and see. I know when I run the Audiovault installer, if it's 64 Bit, it knows what to do in regards to file placement. I would imagine BSI thought of that too. It's pretty hard to get a modern computer that isn't 64 Bit.
Tom, I am going to take a gander and say it will likely work -- As long as you have proper audio drivers for your sound card etc.. Of course, we all know BSI won't support anything beyond what they say they support.
[side note, the demo of Simian 2.1 runs on Windows 7 64 bit here -- mind you its a locked down version of Simian for demo purposes (cant change log, edit or anything)] but it runs so I am guessing the actual version would too.
[side note, the demo of Simian 2.1 runs on Windows 7 64 bit here -- mind you its a locked down version of Simian for demo purposes (cant change log, edit or anything)] but it runs so I am guessing the actual version would too.
64 bit Windows will run 32 bit programs just fine, the only thing it won't run is really old 16 bit stuff. But considering 32 bit Windows has been around since Windows 95, pretty much everything is at least 32 bit meaning it should work. The computer industry is heading towards 64 bit so its getting harder to find systems that ship with 32 bit Windows anymore.
I tried to get 64 bit to run in 32 bit mode. Downloaded a different version of windows. Still wouldn't work with Simian. Have it running on a 32 bit 7 just fine. Several in fact.
The programs are compatible as previously stated, however, if the installer isn't addressed, it will not work.
The only limitations are:
1. All your devices need a 64 Bit driver (remote control & sound card).
If that is met, as long as the installer recognizes 64 bit Windows and places everything in the proper directories, it should work. From what you are saying, BSI has not created a 64 Bit aware installer.
The only limitations are:
1. All your devices need a 64 Bit driver (remote control & sound card).
If that is met, as long as the installer recognizes 64 bit Windows and places everything in the proper directories, it should work. From what you are saying, BSI has not created a 64 Bit aware installer.
The nice thing about Simian is the fact that I can go to Goodwill and buy a pre XP device that will run Simian. This is addressed with an outboard drive, even usb. In a pinch my $30 computer runs Simian. I keep it for times like that.
My current ill computer that is 64 bit will not run Simian or anything else. Sound card problem i think.
My current ill computer that is 64 bit will not run Simian or anything else. Sound card problem i think.
ChiefEngineer said:The nice thing about Simian is the fact that I can go to Goodwill and buy a pre XP device that will run Simian. This is addressed with an outboard drive, even usb. In a pinch my $30 computer runs Simian. I keep it for times like that.
My current ill computer that is 64 bit will not run Simian or anything else. Sound card problem i think.
The one thing I have always liked about Simian is that with a little care it can be very powerful and yet does not need core2duo resources with 4GB of ram just for the "database" ontop of the GUI etc.. like some of the bigger name products do.
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Charlie
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Chris's advice about drivers on 64bit is the important part here: Although many PCs come with Win7 x64 pre-installed, it's the hardware compatibility you need to watch out for. Does your Antex, Digigram or Audioscience card have a 64-bit driver? Does your touchscreen, GPI card and so on?
Plus, of course, you can break the 4GB RAM barrier if you want some extra headroom.
Plus, of course, you can break the 4GB RAM barrier if you want some extra headroom.
We bit the bullet & bought Windows 7 & reinstalled the os as a 32 bit. Simian wouldn't run right under 64 bit. To add to the confusion, the on-board sound card caused Simian to lock up until something was plugged into the record jack (a headphone in case you are wondering--really weird). (Problem went away once the Audio Science cards were installed).
Now, however, Simian is no longer happy with the USB1024LS board that runs the relay switching. We use a 24 relay board to turn the console channels on and off, since we have satellite feeds from 3 different services at various times during the week. Measurement Computing says we have the right driver for Windows 7; but either no relay kicks or only one of the 24.
Had to re-install the old computer, after some cursing Simian decided it would recognize the relay board, so we are back to normal. Will try again in a day or so.
Now, however, Simian is no longer happy with the USB1024LS board that runs the relay switching. We use a 24 relay board to turn the console channels on and off, since we have satellite feeds from 3 different services at various times during the week. Measurement Computing says we have the right driver for Windows 7; but either no relay kicks or only one of the 24.
Had to re-install the old computer, after some cursing Simian decided it would recognize the relay board, so we are back to normal. Will try again in a day or so.
I went to their website and they make it clear that they are not ready for 64 Bit windows.
I'm glad you went with the 32 Bit install.
I use a box on my 64 bit Audiovaults that turns triggers into TCP/IP strings. It keeps me from having a remote control interface at all on the station PC. It just gets a TCP string over the network.
I'm glad you went with the 32 Bit install.
I use a box on my 64 bit Audiovaults that turns triggers into TCP/IP strings. It keeps me from having a remote control interface at all on the station PC. It just gets a TCP string over the network.
TomT said:We bit the bullet & bought Windows 7 & reinstalled the os as a 32 bit. Simian wouldn't run right under 64 bit. To add to the confusion, the on-board sound card caused Simian to lock up until something was plugged into the record jack (a headphone in case you are wondering--really weird). (Problem went away once the Audio Science cards were installed).
Yeah that's typical of most on board sound cards -- If something is not plugged into the port it doesn't detect properly as an installed device -- I can see why simian thru a fit on that -- I had similar experiences with RCS's Zetta on a DELL box with built in sound -- had to have something plugged into the sound card or Windows Vista pretty much said "there is no sound card"
I am guessing the ASI Cards drivers don't employ this stupid feature =) -- Even my dell laptop with Windows 7 is like this (unplug something from the sound card inputs and windows basically pretends there is no sound for the built in sound card.
-- Matt
XmusicOnline.
There is utility to make on board cards think things are plugged in for setup purposes. You should google that.
Problem went away once we installed the Audio Science sound card & disabled the on-board sound card.
Today's fight is to get the new computer & Simian to recognize the USB card that drives the relays. Since the card and relay board are working fine in the XP box, it's silliness with Simian under Windows 7.
Today's fight is to get the new computer & Simian to recognize the USB card that drives the relays. Since the card and relay board are working fine in the XP box, it's silliness with Simian under Windows 7.
So far, I've ran like hell from 64-bit OS for automation systems for the very reasons you have experienced. I generally am very careful to only do what the manufacture recommends for their system. I always get their specs then aquire a computer etc. Automation systems can be a huge pain in the butt. I don't want to add fuel to the fire if there is a problem where they can blame something other than their own software.
I have found Win 7 64 to work fine with Audiovault. You just have to remember, you are still running ALL 32 bit stuff, so there is no advantage at all.
I ran the 64 Bit installs for them to test it, but my main boxes are Win 7 32 Bit Pro. If you have access to it, I wouldn't recommend going 64 Bit until there is an advantage.
For instance when AV runs with 64 Bit SQL 2008, I will do it. Then I can give a ton of RAM to my database.
It's not a problem for a Volume Licensing customer, because you can get Win 7 32 no problem.
It will be years before the automation guys have TRUE 64 Bit software.
I ran the 64 Bit installs for them to test it, but my main boxes are Win 7 32 Bit Pro. If you have access to it, I wouldn't recommend going 64 Bit until there is an advantage.
For instance when AV runs with 64 Bit SQL 2008, I will do it. Then I can give a ton of RAM to my database.
It's not a problem for a Volume Licensing customer, because you can get Win 7 32 no problem.
It will be years before the automation guys have TRUE 64 Bit software.
One other option you could consider if you've got a decked-out 64-bit Windows machine is virtualization. Oracle's VM VirtualBox is free, easy to install, and works well. You could set up a virtual environment, install XP or Win7 32-bit, and run your automation program out of a virtual environment. You still need the drivers required for whatever O/S you install, but you could literally run multiple instances, or other applications. Audio isn't really that big of a task for today's multi-core systems.
https://www.virtualbox.org/
https://www.virtualbox.org/
I'll keep an eye on this thread. I've been doing color/stats on some HS games at a station that uses Simian, and was talking to their ops guy (doubles as PBP guy for the games) about the pitfalls of changing out computer hardware these days due to driver and hardware support issues. They are using Btools SRC devices to get closures in the serial port...the problem nowadays is finding a computer that still has serial ports in it!
Besides that it apparently won't work on 64 bit Win7, does anyone know of any issues with Simian and PCI/PCI Express RS232 port cards in the event they would have to go that route?
Besides that it apparently won't work on 64 bit Win7, does anyone know of any issues with Simian and PCI/PCI Express RS232 port cards in the event they would have to go that route?
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