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Simon, Globe: Format change could become "talk" of town

http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2005/10/08/format_change_could_become_talk_of_the_town/

Clea Simon in today's Globe--could we see another FM talker in town, like on 'BCN?
(Has been brought up here).
The heritage rock station "denies the possibility" though Mike Harrison of
TALKERS says 104.1 could be a prime candidate. Also it's mentioned how 'RKO
is dealing with the competition of a "strong FM talk station" in WTKK (and let's
not forget WBZ at night, when the Broonz aren't on)
 
If Infinity does launch an FM talk station:

(a) It won't be WBCN-104.1. 'BCN will remain a rock station, although there could be a major tweak in it's format (see next paragraph)

(b) It could be at 100.7 (if Infinity decides to combine the WBCN and WZLX formats on 104.1 as a hybrid of classic and modern rock) or even at 103.3 (Infinity had been dumping the oldies format in many cities, although I think that if WODS' format gets changed, it will not be to talk, but to "Jack-FM").

(c) WBZ-1030's local talk-show hosts will move to the new FM talk station, resulting in 'BZ going 24/7 all-news.

(d) Broadcasts of the Patriots (starting with the 2006 season) and Bruins (starting with the 2006/2007 season) will probably move from WBCN and WBZ respectively to the new talk station.

(e) Not only would Jay Severin be on Infinity's new FM talk station, but Bill O'Reilly and maybe Imus as well. They are all syndicated by Infinity or a related company.
 
Mike Harrison and Clea Simon are a little late to this as usual. It was posted on this board several weeks ago that WBCN would probably go TALK and become WBZ-FM reviving those old call letters ( at 103.3? at the time ???)
Better late than never.



http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/arti> cles/2005/10/08/format_change_could_become_talk_of_the_town/
>
>
> Clea Simon in today's Globe--could we see another FM talker
> in town, like on 'BCN?
> (Has been brought up here).
> The heritage rock station "denies the possibility" though
> Mike Harrison of
> TALKERS says 104.1 could be a prime candidate. Also it's
> mentioned how 'RKO
> is dealing with the competition of a "strong FM talk
> station" in WTKK (and let's
> not forget WBZ at night, when the Broonz aren't on)
>
 
> Mike Harrison and Clea Simon are a little late to this as
> usual. It was posted on this board several weeks ago that
> WBCN would probably go TALK and become WBZ-FM reviving those
> old call letters ( at 103.3? at the time ???)
> Better late than never.
>
>
>
gotta agree w/ that assessment. Harrison runs an advertorial rag.
 
WBZ-FM was on 106.7, the home of the current WMJX.



Dave Gardiner

WVCH 740

Chester/Philadelphia
 
> If Infinity does launch an FM talk station:
>
> (b) It could be at 100.7 (if Infinity decides to combine the
> WBCN and WZLX formats on 104.1 as a hybrid of classic and
> modern rock) or even at 103.3 (Infinity had been dumping the
> oldies format in many cities, although I think that if WODS'
> format gets changed, it will not be to talk, but to
> "Jack-FM").

Didn't Mike FM beat them to the punch here? I'd rather see ZLX get blown up rather than BCN's heritage letters.

> (e) Not only would Jay Severin be on Infinity's new FM talk
> station, but Bill O'Reilly and maybe Imus as well. They are
> all syndicated by Infinity or a related company.

They'll need someone "live and local" in the morning if Severin is syndicated. Imus' days in Boston broadcasting are coming to a close.
 
WBZ FM? THAT WOULD BE PRETTY COOL, (Uh, IMHO)

> WBZ-FM was on 106.7, the home of the current WMJX.
>
>
>
> Dave Gardiner
>
> WVCH 740
>
> Chester/Philadelphia
>
Yeah, 103 was WEEI FM, which stood for?
"Edison Electric Incorported!"

Wow, WBZ FM?
WOULDN'T THAT BE GREAT?!!!!??!!!!!!
'bet they'd give TKK a run for their money, especially with Infiniti's access to Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity!
 
> Didn't Mike FM beat them to the punch here?

In regards to Jack, Mike FM is (so far) a disaster. Star was not a high rating station, but Mike has failed to bring the ratings any higher, or even keep them at Star levels, and additionally, the audience cleansing did not need to be as intensive as a station like Star as does a station like WCBS-FM, for example. The shares are there for such a station to succeed, in my opinion with the "Jack FM" branding and logistics, but Entercom's execution of the Variety Hits format is subpar so far.

>I'd rather see ZLX get blown up rather than BCN's heritage letters.

Infinity has basically two choices:

1) They could do talk on 104.1, whose ratings are going to suck after Howard, using either WBCN or with a set of new calls. The rest of Infinity Boston would remain as is.

2) Infinity could move the classic rock format of 100.7 to 104.1, while 104.1 keeps the WBCN call letters but adopts the WZLX airstaff. Infinity would then have a clear slate with 100.7, and could put the talk here, or they could hiJACK 100.7 and put talk on 98.5, or do basically whatever they felt like.

While oldies buffs would believe otherwise, Infinity knows where heritage is useful. This would be the case with 104.1; those who grew up hearing AOR on 104.1 would now be able to hear classic rock with the WBCN calls and dial position.

>
> > (e) Not only would Jay Severin be on Infinity's new FM
> talk
> > station, but Bill O'Reilly and maybe Imus as well. They
> are
> > all syndicated by Infinity or a related company.
>
> They'll need someone "live and local" in the morning if
> Severin is syndicated. Imus' days in Boston broadcasting
> are coming to a close.

Isn't Imus syndicated by WW1? If so, he could easily appear on the "new" FM talk station.
>
 
> WBZ-FM was on 106.7, the home of the current WMJX.

And before that, WBZ-FM was on 100.7 (now WZLX) briefly in the mid-1940's, then 92.9 (now WBOS) in the late 40's/early 50's.

After going dark for a couple of years, WBZ-FM was on 106.7 from 1956-1981, when they sold it to Greater Media, who flipped it to WMJX.
 
Imagine Infinity

Hmmm. Perhaps WBZ-FM talk could go to 104.1 FM (they could call it the "Buzz?). Would they have to use four call letters though (WWBZ?) WBCN (with those great heritage call letters) could move to 100.7 with 100.7 keeping the same FM Talk format. (It's fun to dream)

Dave


> Mike Harrison and Clea Simon are a little late to this as
> usual. It was posted on this board several weeks ago that
> WBCN would probably go TALK and become WBZ-FM reviving those
> old call letters ( at 103.3? at the time ???)
> Better late than never.
>
>
>
> http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/arti>
> cles/2005/10/08/format_change_could_become_talk_of_the_town/
>
> >
> >
> > Clea Simon in today's Globe--could we see another FM
> talker
> > in town, like on 'BCN?
> > (Has been brought up here).
> > The heritage rock station "denies the possibility" though
> > Mike Harrison of
> > TALKERS says 104.1 could be a prime candidate. Also it's
> > mentioned how 'RKO
> > is dealing with the competition of a "strong FM talk
> > station" in WTKK (and let's
> > not forget WBZ at night, when the Broonz aren't on)
> >
>
 
Re: Simon, Globe: Format change could become

> While oldies buffs would believe otherwise, Infinity knows
> where heritage is useful. This would be the case with 104.1;
> those who grew up hearing AOR on 104.1 would now be able to
> hear classic rock with the WBCN calls and dial position.

They did not set an example for that in New York, and I'm talking about AOR/classic rock, not what recently happened to oldies there.

WNEW-FM was the most prominent, consistent heritage AOR in NYC for over 20 years, though it was owned by Metromedia most of that time. When Infinity got it in the 90's, they had the chance to continue that heritage, but they blew it. They threw away the heritage, and thought they'd do better trying to update the station.

It's been a floundering "format of the week" station for about a decade now, constantly vacillating back and forth from new "alternative", to mainstream current rock, to mixing in some classics at times with both of the previous, to "Hot Talk" and later back to rock again, to AC, to "Blink" (like sort of a female oriented early version of "Jack" a few years ago), etc... currently it's "Mix 102.7", a low-rated (but ticking up a little bit lately) dance-leaning Hot AC.

Meanwhile, while Infinity and WNEW-FM were confused, Clear Channel jumped on the AOR to classic rock heritage in NYC with WAXQ, and though they didn't have the heritage calls, they have a number of the WNEW-FM heritage AOR jocks playing classic rock. Even 60's WNEW-FM legend Scott Muni, in failing health, recorded a one-hour show every weekday for WAXQ until his death just over a year ago.

At least here in Boston, despite WZLX defining itself as classic rock before they were co-owned, Infinity managed to somewhat maintain WBCN as a heritage rock station of sorts (though not a strictly classic rock station).
 
> Mike Harrison and Clea Simon are a little late to this as
> usual. It was posted on this board several weeks ago that
> WBCN would probably go TALK and become WBZ-FM reviving those
> old call letters ( at 103.3? at the time ???)
> Better late than never.

Yes, but who knows--could happen. Hi, Clea, if you're monitoring us again :)<P ID="signature">______________
I am the REAL raccoonradio (2 c's). Accept
no substitutes!</P>
 
Re: Imagine Infinity

> Hmmm. Perhaps WBZ-FM talk could go to 104.1 FM (they could
> call it the "Buzz?). Would they have to use four call
> letters though (WWBZ?) WBCN (with those great heritage call
> letters) could move to 100.7 with 100.7 keeping the same FM
> Talk format. (It's fun to dream)

Entercom's FM talker in Seattle is known as the Buzz. It's known as "Radio For Guys" as has Tom Leykis, John and Jeff, All Comedy Radio, etc.
There's also a "buzz" in Burlington VT/Plattburgh, NY area which I think is
active rock (one page of their site talks about albums by Nine Inch Nails,
Death Cab for Cutie, Green Day, White Stripes, Foo Fighters...)<P ID="signature">______________
I am the REAL raccoonradio (2 c's). Accept
no substitutes!</P>
 
Re: Simon, Globe: Format change could become

> > While oldies buffs would believe otherwise, Infinity knows
>
> > where heritage is useful. This would be the case with
> 104.1;
> > those who grew up hearing AOR on 104.1 would now be able
> to
> > hear classic rock with the WBCN calls and dial position.
>
> They did not set an example for that in New York, and I'm
> talking about AOR/classic rock, not what recently happened
> to oldies there.
>
> WNEW-FM was the most prominent, consistent heritage AOR in
> NYC for over 20 years, though it was owned by Metromedia
> most of that time. When Infinity got it in the 90's, they
> had the chance to continue that heritage, but they blew it.
> They threw away the heritage, and thought they'd do better
> trying to update the station.

Well it was the ONLY AOR save a brief period when WAXQ programmed by Ron Valeri was a bad sounding active rock that "never talked over the music", obviously it didnt last. WNEW for all the talk ot it's heritage never had numbers.
>
> It's been a floundering "format of the week" station for
> about a decade now, constantly vacillating back and forth
> from new "alternative", to mainstream current rock, to
> mixing in some classics at times with both of the previous,
> to "Hot Talk" and later back to rock again, to AC, to
> "Blink" (like sort of a female oriented early version of
> "Jack" a few years ago), etc... currently it's "Mix 102.7",
> a low-rated (but ticking up a little bit lately)
> dance-leaning Hot AC.

Mix currently is making rela gains and it appears that finally that frequency has stumbled upon a formula that is working.
>
> Meanwhile, while Infinity and WNEW-FM were confused, Clear
> Channel jumped on the AOR to classic rock heritage in NYC
> with WAXQ, and though they didn't have the heritage calls,
> they have a number of the WNEW-FM heritage AOR jocks playing
> classic rock. Even 60's WNEW-FM legend Scott Muni, in
> failing health, recorded a one-hour show every weekday for
> WAXQ until his death just over a year ago.
>
> At least here in Boston, despite WZLX defining itself as
> classic rock before they were co-owned, Infinity managed to
> somewhat maintain WBCN as a heritage rock station of sorts
> (though not a strictly classic rock station).
>
 
Re: Simon, Globe: Format change could become

> > WNEW-FM was the most prominent, consistent heritage AOR in
> > NYC for over 20 years, though it was owned by Metromedia
> > most of that time. When Infinity got it in the 90's, they
> > had the chance to continue that heritage, but they blew it.
> > They threw away the heritage, and thought they'd do better
> > trying to update the station.
>
> Well it was the ONLY AOR save a brief period when WAXQ
> programmed by Ron Valeri was a bad sounding active rock that
> "never talked over the music", obviously it didnt last.

There were other NYC AOR's, farther back. Around late 1966/1967, before WNEW-FM went progressive, Scott Muni and Murray The K experimented with a short-lived album format on WOR-FM. This, and KMPX San Francisco on the west coast (before KSAN), are considered the country's first FM progressive album rockers.

In the late 60's WABC-FM went very "free-form underground", considered "way out" compared to WNEW-FM's more progressive AOR oriented approach, until flipping to formatted album rocker WPLJ in the early 70's. It's now Hot AC.

There was a brief period in the mid-70's when classical station WNCN flipped to WQIV, an AOR that broadcast in quadraphonic. It didn't make it, and went back to classical until flipping to WAXQ and that brief active rock format in the early 90's, until finding their identity as classic rock in NYC with some of the heritage WNEW-FM jocks.

There were also other AOR's on Long Island, including WLIR and WBAB.

> WNEW for all the talk ot it's heritage never had numbers.

Well, in the early heyday of AOR in the late 60's, when WNEW-FM (and WBCN here in Boston) first went to the format, such stations didn't really need big numbers. They were broadcasting to a relatively small but then-vital audience which was in those days considered the "counterculture", and there was little competition for that demographic when the mainstream "straight" majority of rock'n'roll listeners were still listening to AM Top 40 stations. They knew overall numbers among all listeners would be small, but there were local format-specific sponsors ("Head Shops", hippie-styled clothing boutiques, rock concerts, "hip" nightclubs, etc...) that wouldn't fit anywhere else but these new "underground" AOR's.

Of course, that didn't last long. In the 70's, competing FM AOR stations sprang up in all the major cities, which resulted in ratings competition between them, and a slow process of mainstreaming their formats from the "free-form" hippie radio days of the late 60's. By the late 70's and certainly the 80's, AM Top 40 radio was dead, FM had replaced AM as the band of choice for all music formats and had become about as mainstream as the AM stations it had once been an alternative to ten years earlier. There was no longer such a starkly separate demographic as the late 60's "counterculture" was, and AOR became just another format to figure into the overall ratings statistics. Some of the stations didn't make that transition very sucessfully number-wise.
 
Re: WBZ FM? THAT WOULD BE PRETTY COOL, (Uh, IMHO)

> 'bet they'd give TKK a run for their money, especially with
> Infiniti's access to Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity!
>

Not sure O'Reilly would add much to the mix. He pulls pretty weak numbers pretty much anywhere he's on.
 
>
> After going dark for a couple of years, WBZ-FM was on 106.7
> from 1956-1981, when they sold it to Greater Media, who
> flipped it to WMJX.
>

Certainly not one of Westinghouse's better moves. By 1981 it was pretty clear that FM was where it was at (not that anyone at 1170 SFR ever paid any attention to 106.7 anyway).
 
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