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Simple Part 15 Antennas

I don't have the space to put in a large radial ground plane antenna for my part 15 Tx.
Will something simple work like a simple 2 meter FM stick sitting on a grounded tower?
I only need about a half mile coverage.
Any other simple ideas would be appreciated.
 
Well, if you go by the book, you're going to be short about 2140 feet from reaching your coverage area goal.

If you look at the Part 15 regulations (15.239) as they govern FM in the 88 to 108 MHz band you're only allowed a field strength of 250 uV/meter at 3 meters. Effectively, you're not going to reach much more than approximately 250 feet away from each side of the antenna. Any range exceeding this will mean you're outside the radiating limts allowable under Part 15.
 
Sorry I didn't make myself clear at all. I'm going to be running an AM transmitter--the SStran AMT3000.
Instead of using the simple wire that comes with it I'm wondering how it will work if I run the AMT3000 into a 2 meter vertical which I have mounted on a grounded tower 40 feet above ground. I realize that this is far from the recommend coil base loaded ground plane antennas that are written about, but I'm wondering if this is enough to give me the half mile or so I'm hoping for.
Wouldn't this work better then a 102 inch whip mounted on my roof?
 
I would think the mismatch would kill any height advantage (especially if you operate the SSTran from the ground feeding the transmission line).

Why not mount the 102" whip on the tower, perhaps offset from one of the tower legs. Depending on how adventurous you are you could build a weather-tight enclosure for the SSTran and mount it on the tower - this would eliminate or greatly reduce losses by any transmission line.

I would think if a Rangemaster or Procaster can get upwards of 1 to 2 miles that 1/2 mile with the SSTran is certainly within reason (I don't have first hand experience with them so I'm making an assumption bought their power output).
 
Thanks for your help.
Any other simple antennas that you can think of that might work with my setup?
I don't want to mess with ground planes & coils--etc.
 
Can a part 15 fm re-broadcast on a licensed FM translator if it is close enough? I found a Christian group that has FM translators all over PA, MD,DE and NJ and if the main FM station can not REACH the translator they run a dedicated feed to a part 15 FM and then re-broadcast the part 15 on the translator. Can this legally be done?
 
radioman148 said:
Thanks for your help.
Any other simple antennas that you can think of that might work with my setup?
I don't want to mess with ground planes & coils--etc.

I know there's a guy who makes custom antennas for the SSTran, although I don't have the link handy at the moment. I suppose you could be creative and perhaps hang it off the side of the tower you have. If you're creative you can even mount it in such a fashion to make it a very decent directional antenna. I know the engineer of a local AM that lost their two tower array when the use of their tower site was lost and he's talking about being able to use a suspended element to duplicate the performance of the former directional system.
 
Carl Van Orden builds the Antenna Tuning Units for the SS Tran, but if you don't wanna mess with coils or ground planes, giving you his email address is moot. Besides, his antennas are groundbound.

If you want a directional signal with your SSTran, then hanging it next to the tower could work, I suppose. However, if you want an omnidirectional signal, the antenna needs to be up above everything (nothing around it). When something is next to an AM antenna, it's in the antenna's magnetic field, and can alter your signal contour. If you hang the white wire off the side of the tower, you'll have a null in the direction of the tower. For best omni coverage, put the antenna at the top of your stick.
 
Would a wire strategically placed up high either on my chimney or somewhere about half way up my tower work well enough with my AMT3000 to give me the half mile or so I'm looking for?
 
radioman148 said:
Would a wire strategically placed up high either on my chimney or somewhere about half way up my tower work well enough with my AMT3000 to give me the half mile or so I'm looking for?

You might be interested in the text below which I wrote and posted on another website, and which might be relevant for your "elevated" installation possibilities.
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Installing a Part 15 AM system with a long, conducting path to a "lightning" ground has lead to FCC problems for some (see FCC link below). In reality the long ground conductor will radiate considerably more than the 3-meter conductor considered to be the antenna. FCC Part 15.219(b) limits the total length of a Part 15 AM antenna and ground lead to 3 meters.

Some Part 15 AM operators have defined the ground lead as only the short conductor connecting the transmitter chassis to another conductor, such as a flagpole, tower, "massive ground wire," billboard steel etc. But this is just semantics -- the r-f current in the short "ground lead" continues along the length of whatever conductor it connects to until it reaches a true r-f ground (something buried in the earth). That current produces radiation.

The second link below leads to a calculation of the coverage of a better-than-typical Part 15 AM system when its antenna and ground path are limited to 3 meters, total. The 2 mV/m groundwave field strength radius of this setup is barely more than 200 feet, in open terrain. Urban conditions would reduce that.

Evidently the FCC does not intend for Part 15 systems to be very useful for "broadcast" purposes.

http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-269883A1.html

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h85/rfry-100/Part_15_AM_Calc_2.gif

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R. Fry said:
radioman148 said:
Would a wire strategically placed up high either on my chimney or somewhere about half way up my tower work well enough with my AMT3000 to give me the half mile or so I'm looking for?

You might be interested in the text below which I wrote and posted on another website, and which might be relevant for your "elevated" installation possibilities.
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Installing a Part 15 AM system with a long, conducting path to a "lightning" ground has lead to FCC problems for some (see FCC link below). In reality the long ground conductor will radiate considerably more than the 3-meter conductor considered to be the antenna. FCC Part 15.219(b) limits the total length of a Part 15 AM antenna and ground lead to 3 meters.

Some Part 15 AM operators have defined the ground lead as only the short conductor connecting the transmitter chassis to another conductor, such as a flagpole, tower, "massive ground wire," billboard steel etc. But this is just semantics -- the r-f current in the short "ground lead" continues along the length of whatever conductor it connects to until it reaches a true r-f ground (something buried in the earth). That current produces radiation.

The second link below leads to a calculation of the coverage of a better-than-typical Part 15 AM system when its antenna and ground path are limited to 3 meters, total. The 2 mV/m groundwave field strength radius of this setup is barely more than 200 feet, in open terrain. Urban conditions would reduce that.

Evidently the FCC does not intend for Part 15 systems to be very useful for "broadcast" purposes.

http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-269883A1.html

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h85/rfry-100/Part_15_AM_Calc_2.gif

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If I remember this story right, these were the guys who were using a Rangemaster but would not allow FCC agents to inspect their site which led to the citation.

Often times attitude with the FCC accounts for as much as compliance when it comes to running afoul with the agency.

C5
 
Would a wire strategically placed up high either on my chimney or somewhere about half way up my tower work well enough with my AMT3000 to give me the half mile or so I'm looking for?

Well, that depends, radioman. You're not specific about the "half mile." Do you want a "half mile" in every direction or only certain directions? Again, putting a wire "half way up" your tower would mean that the wire is NEXT to it, not above it. It could give you a half mile, but frankly, I've never tried to operate my SSTran at the top of a tower, or with the components that need to be in place with only the white wire in use (as opposed to the ATU that Carl builds and accompanying internal transmitter kit modifications), so I don't know just how far the signal would travel on just the white antenna wire. But then, I didn't have my tower when I installed the ground system for the SSTran, either. But all that notwithstanding, your best results for omni coverage are with your antenna on top. For directional coverage, put the antenna on the opposite side of the tower where you want the null, or, to put it another way, put the antenna on the side of the tower where you want the lobe.
 
Often times attitude with the FCC accounts for as much as compliance when it comes to running afoul with the agency.

C5 hit that nail right on the head. Attitude is virtually everything when dealing with any kind of law enforcement. If you ever get "the knock," do what they ask, be truthful, save the lip, and you'll be surprised at how good they'll be to you...I've escaped tickets this way...and I was a dead duck. Get cute with 'em, and you're just asking for it.
 
>>Would a wire strategically placed up high either on my chimney or somewhere about half way up my tower work well enough with my AMT3000 to give me the half mile or so I'm looking for?>>

"Rickradio" What if I hung the wire between 2 points? Would stringing it horizontally hurt the signal as opposed to vertical?
If I understand you correctly, if the wire is near any surface or object then it would radiate in a directional pattern--is that correct?
 
Bill DeFelice said:
I would think the mismatch would kill any height advantage (especially if you operate the SSTran from the ground feeding the transmission line).

Why not mount the 102" whip on the tower, perhaps offset from one of the tower legs. Depending on how adventurous you are you could build a weather-tight enclosure for the SSTran and mount it on the tower - this would eliminate or greatly reduce losses by any transmission line.

I would think if a Rangemaster or Procaster can get upwards of 1 to 2 miles that 1/2 mile with the SSTran is certainly within reason (I don't have first hand experience with them so I'm making an assumption bought their power output).

I've always been curious, what kind of range can you get with just the 102" whip attached to the transmitter output? After playing with part 15 AM for a while I gave up after only getting about 20 feet of range and cannot figure out what is wrong. I know there has to be a ground plane somewhere but is that really killing the signal that much? I borrowed a 20 watt TIS AM transmitter tuned in the 1600s and it got approximately the same range...

Oh I also forgot to mention, I did buy a LPB tuner box just so I wouldn't have to build a coil, I assume that will work with a 100mW output transmitter also?
 
The "Citation" shown in the link given by R. Fry is a strange one.

http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-269883A1.html

Virtually all of the initial actions taken by the FCC as posted on their web site are in the form of Notice of Apparent Violation and they conform to a fairly consistent format. The strange thing about this Citation is that it does not contain any field strength measurements as the others do. It just simply leaps to the 3 meter rule. It appears the person who wrote this citation is not fully aware of the part 15 rules with regard to the option of complying with the field strength limit or the 3 meter limit.

It is possible to have a 30 meter ground wire and still comply with the field strength limit. The conspicuous absence of a field strength reading in this case doesn't compute.

PhilB
 
gunterm said:
I've always been curious, what kind of range can you get with just the 102" whip attached to the transmitter output? After playing with part 15 AM for a while I gave up after only getting about 20 feet of range and cannot figure out what is wrong. I know there has to be a ground plane somewhere but is that really killing the signal that much? I borrowed a 20 watt TIS AM transmitter tuned in the 1600s and it got approximately the same range...

Oh I also forgot to mention, I did buy a LPB tuner box just so I wouldn't have to build a coil, I assume that will work with a 100mW output transmitter also?

20 ft? Ok I'd say something was wrong either with your setup or maybe the terrain/location. I've been doing some experiments with the SStran, and with the "stock" setup (meaning I haven't done the necessary modifications for adding a loading coil or added any sort of tuner or coil) and an antenna shorter than 102 inches (it's 84 inches) and not only no ground radials but no connection to ground whatsoever, I get about 70 meters downhill and 50 meters uphill to an inexpensive handheld "transistor radio" type receiver. I haven't done extensive testing to a good car radio, but it's at least a block radius in a residential section of town.

That's also running it near the middle of the band rather than the top, and I don't take more than a minute or so to set the antenna tuning trimmer, so my test rig is far from optimal. That isn't the outside fringe range, it's how far I can get before I can hear noticeable hiss in the signal. I'm interested in seeing what different setups can do for what I'd consider a good listenable signal rather than "maximum range" in the sense of how far out it can be barely heard. I'm using battery power for the transmitter and also the small FM receiver I use as an STL, so there's no ground wire involved in the present experiments.

But I got considerably better than 20 ft even with the transmitter and antenna in the basement below ground level. So my first thought would be to check your transmitter. What sort of transmitter were you using when you were getting that range? And where were you setting it up? If maybe it was indoors in a metal building or with something like aluminum siding, that might account for it? But even then, I'd expect the 20 watt transmitter to have gotten a *lot* further than 20 feet..

Daniel
 
PhilB said:
It is possible to have a 30 meter ground wire and still comply with the field strength limit. The conspicuous absence of a field strength reading in this case doesn't compute.

FCC Part 15.209 states the maximum field strength permitted for unlicensed, radiating systems (see partial quote below).

In the case of the citation in question the maximum field permitted 30 meters from the transmit antenna is about 14.9 µV/m (microvolts per meter).

While it is true that any transmitter power and any antenna/ground path configuration may be used under Part 15.209, physics shows that, whatever the system configuration, its effective radiated power (ERP) may not exceed about 2.2 µW (microwatts) in any direction without exceeding the 15.209 limit for 1610 kHz.

The transmitter power output needed to produce that 2.2 µW ERP with the matched, ground-mounted system I analyzed and linked to earlier in this thread is about 310 µW. An elevated Part 15 AM system using a 30-meter ground lead (or even one of ~20 feet, as shown in the publications of some Part 15 AM transmitter manufacturers) is much more efficient than when installed at earth level, and the transmitter output power then would need to be many times less than 310 µW to remain compliant with 15.209.

So, even if the output power of a Part 15 AM transmitter with 100 milliwatts of input power (per 15.219) might be as little as 1 milliwatt, that 1 milliwatt can be far above the power needed to comply with 15.209 -- even when applied to an antenna system strictly meeting 15.219 (3-m radiator at earth level, using a ground path of a few inches).

All of this doesn't address the question about the FCC not referring to field strength in this citation. One might speculate that if this station had met 15.209 it would not have attracted the attention of the FCC. The reason for this is that field strength permitted under 15.209 is so low that probably no-one beyond a radius of 50 feet or so would be able to to receive it well, so as to complain about it. Certainly it could not provide the "community broadcast" service expected of it. And even if the FCC inspected it, it would not have been cited even if it used a 30-meter path to an r-f ground, as long as the 15.209 field limit was being met. T

Note that good, ground-mounted Part 15 AM systems using commonly available, commercial Part 15 AM transmitters, and operating strictly observant to 15.219 easily can produce fields that exceed the limit permitted by 15.209. And even moreso for one with a 30-meter ground conductor.

For this reason probably most Part 15 AM users would prefer to be FCC-evaluated using 15.219, rather than 15.209.

A Part 15 AM system with the base of its < 3-meter antenna installed a few inches above the earth unquestionably meets Part 15.219(b). Installing the tx/3-m antenna well above the earth while using a long conducting path to r-f ground does not meet 15.219(b) as a fact of physics -- and this is what may (and has) lead to FCC problems for some users.

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Sec. 15.209 Radiated emission limits; general requirements.

(a) Except as provided elsewhere in this subpart, the emissions from an
intentional radiator shall not exceed the field strength levels specified in
the following table:

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Measurement
Frequency (MHz) Field strength distance
(microvolts/meter) (meters)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
0.009-0.490...................... 2400/F(kHz) 300
0.490-1.705...................... 24000/F(kHz) 30
1.705-30.0....................... 30 30
30-88............................ 100 ** 3
88-216........................... 150 ** 3
216-960.......................... 200 ** 3
Above 960........................ 500 3
------------------------------------------------------------------------

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With a Wire antenna streched vertically on the wooden Beam holding up the
Roof on the 2nd floor outside next to a lake i went about half a mile on the
side facing the lake [house blocked other side] But not to the
end of the block on the other side of house.
SO for your best interest put the antenna on the side of your house
where more people are.
 
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