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Sinclair's saga continues...

Did they LOSE all 500,000 or can most of those people get the station with an antenna. I just ask because I remember in the days before must carry, our cable TV provider at the time TCI didn't carry a lot of OTA stations in Chicago. They didn't carry the Spanish stations or WGBO (Channel 66 -then it wasn't Spanish) or WPWR Channel 50.

So it was no really big deal to throw up the rabbit ears for those channels. Though obviously clarity was a problem
 
Mark said:
Did they LOSE all 500,000 or can most of those people get the station with an antenna. I just ask because I remember in the days before must carry, our cable TV provider at the time TCI didn't carry a lot of OTA stations in Chicago. They didn't carry the Spanish stations or WGBO (Channel 66 -then it wasn't Spanish) or WPWR Channel 50.

So it was no really big deal to throw up the rabbit ears for those channels. Though obviously clarity was a problem

I remember in Gary Indiana with TCI, the local channels they used to carry were 2, 5, 7, 9, 11, 32, & 38. Then they slowly added 20, 60, & 66. Then when the must carry rulling took effect, 26 & 44 had to be added, even though the spanish language listeners were so little that TCI didn't want to add the 2 stations, but had no choice, because those 2 stations wanted to be on cable TV. Eventually 60 moved their programming to 50, and TCI changed it on their system, before they had to add 60 back to the listings due to Home Shopping Network being on that channel at the time. When 56 & 62 signed on, those stations were added as well. When the must carry ruling took effect, 2, 5, 7, 9, & 32 all demanded large amounts of money in oder to be on cable. Eventually, all 5 stations agreed to allow TCI to carry their local channels, as long as they carried certain cable channels in exchange for free local channels. I don't remember what the requirement was with 2 (CBS), but I know for 5, it had to carry CNBC & MSNBC. 7 I don't remember because Walt Disney didn't own them at the time. 9 required carrying CLTV. 32 required something, but forgot that too. But as part of adding all the local channels, TCI had to eliminate some cable channels in the process. They eliminated WWOR Superstation, CSpan (the government shot themselves in the foot because the must carry ruling forced many cable companies to eliminate channels, and CSpan was one of them at that time), MTV, QVC, and a few others. Because digital cable wasn't available in my area around 1998 & 1999 when AT&T took over TCI, I got DirecTV, and got most of the stations back, though DirecTV didn't have WWOR Superstation, but WGN Superstation. I wonder if WWOR Superstation is still on the air.
 
WWOR as a superstation is long gone. Did you ever get WPIX-TV (CW) channel 11?
 
Kevin Lagasse said:
WWOR as a superstation is long gone. Did you ever get WPIX-TV (CW) channel 11?

Not true. WWOR along with WSBK, WPIX, KWGN, and KTLA are still superstations and can be received on DISH. I've been watching them for years now.

THANX - Larry
 
Actually WWOR was a superstation in the style of what today's "SUPERSTATION WGN" is today
See they had a seperate feed for the rest of the nantion, even right down to the logo..
It wasnt until I think the mid 90s that the folks who handeled national distribution of WWOR pulled the plug on its national feed and thus everyone got just one feed..ny ads and all.
 
llokey said:
Not true.  WWOR along with WSBK, WPIX, KWGN, and KTLA are still superstations and can be received on DISH.  I've been watching them for years now.

                   THANX - Larry

Well I don't know how good of an argument that is.
Sure they maybe on Dish but as for cable they are not carried nationally anymore such as TBS and WGN. There are exceptions, such as El Paso getting KTLA, but as for carriage on Dish really who wants to watch three to four CW stations anyways, owned by the same company and pretty much having the same programming content?

Anyways as lugnuts6 said WWOR had a seperate national feed like WGN did, although it was eventually yanked, around the same time WWOR picked up UPN or so. If you have a copy of TV Guide from the early-mid 90s, you can see its national feed difference there.


To get back on topic the sage maybe ending soon. Sinclair renewed their deal with Time Warner, and now Mediacom is working on a deal with similair terms to the Time Warner deal to present to Sinclair http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070121/20070121005059.html?.v=1

If it doesn't work, I guess they go back to the FCC, which now with Dems in power is going to see some real shifting going on...
 
lugnuts6 said:
Actually WWOR was a superstation in the style of what today's "SUPERSTATION WGN" is today

I will agree but we're mixing the advertising superstation and the congressional superstation. WGN and TBS are not actaully superstations. They are cable networks. They were superstations until a few years ago when exclusive programming became an issue.

The other stations by congressional terms are superstations in that they can be carried nationwide. The situation changes in I believe 2009 (may be 2010) when the statue granting superstation status expires. Dish chooses to carry the superstations, Direct and the cable companies choose not to carry them. Still they exist.
 
Hi everyone:
lugnuts6 said:
Actually WWOR was a superstation in the style of what today's "SUPERSTATION WGN" is today
Here in Denver (At least for awhile after cable TV first came to town), we had *BOTH* WOR (Yes they referred to themselves simply as WOR too) *AND* WGN. When Mile High CableVision pulled the plug on WOR back in the mid to late 1980s, that left us with only WGN, which Comcast still carries to this day on Cable Channel 52.

Both WGN & WOR showed local newscasts and ads (WGN still shows them on its Superstation feed today).

As for KWGN, we have the local feed on Channel 2 and then we have the Digital network TubeTV, which is on Channel 248. If KWGN puts out a national feed that carries alternate programming in primetime, we don't get that on cable. :(

Cheers :D

Pat

Pat
 
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