Sirius Is Going To Get Part 15ers in trouble!

[larryb1]

When Howard Stern moved over to (up to?) Sirius off the bird in the sky, my wife purchased a receiver with an internal FM transmitter to allow the satellite signal to be played through a local fm radio. Also, she purchased the adapter for home use and used the preset at 88.1fm. The unit sits neatly on our second floor bedroom dresser. All is great, except that I can hear the fm link signal relaying Stern's antics and "uncensored shenanigans" all over our neighborhood! Nothing has been changed on the unit, stock out of the box.

Add to this, the fact that I have been operating a part 15 fmr in our neighborhood for the last ten years without a hitch, I wonder what's gonna happen. Someone is going to retrieve his pornographic program on their FCC controlled terrestial fm radio, and accuse me of airing suggestive material.

I will be notifying my neighbors in writing that they may hear this material on their home radio, but I wonder what the legal ramifications could be down the line for us Part 15rs. This could even be affected by the use of ipods with the same type of link, airing music with uncensored lyrics.

What do you think?

 

[JasonW]

That's rather like flagging down a police officer to ask him/her how you're driving. I wouldn't tell the neighbors or anyone anything. Without a direction-finding unit, they'll never trace the signal.

In the unlikely event a neighbor calls the FCC and they DF you and knock on your door, you don't have to let them in without a warrant--they're not the police. Just turn off the offending Part 15 FM unit and say "Profanity? On FM?" -- Jason

> When Howard Stern moved over to (up to?) Sirius off the bird
> in the sky, my wife purchased a receiver with an internal FM
> transmitter to allow the satellite signal to be played
> through a local fm radio. Also, she purchased the adapter
> for home use and used the preset at 88.1fm. The unit sits
> neatly on our second floor bedroom dresser. All is great,
> except that I can hear the fm link signal relaying Stern's
> antics and "uncensored shenanigans" all over our
> neighborhood! Nothing has been changed on the unit, stock
> out of the box.
>
> Add to this, the fact that I have been operating a part 15
> fmr in our neighborhood for the last ten years without a
> hitch, I wonder what's gonna happen. Someone is going to
> retrieve his pornographic program on their FCC controlled
> terrestial fm radio, and accuse me of airing suggestive
> material.
>
> I will be notifying my neighbors in writing that they may
> hear this material on their home radio, but I wonder what
> the legal ramifications could be down the line for us Part
> 15rs. This could even be affected by the use of ipods with
> the same type of link, airing music with uncensored lyrics.
>
>
> What do you think?
>

 

[radio8z]

> That's rather like flagging down a police officer to ask
> him/her how you're driving. I wouldn't tell the neighbors
> or anyone anything. Without a direction-finding unit,
> they'll never trace the signal.
>
> In the unlikely event a neighbor calls the FCC and they DF
> you and knock on your door, you don't have to let them in
> without a warrant--they're not the police. Just turn off
> the offending Part 15 FM unit and say "Profanity? On FM?"
> -- Jason
>
Hi,

I agree with Jason. Keep a low profile on this one. You know very well if your neighbors (kids) know about 88.1 they are going to tune to it. Just use your unit and deal with problems if they come up.

There are rules regarding "Sternish" talk on commercial radio, but none for part 15. Profanity on part 15 is bad judgement and could lead to rules later if abused.

I use my FM xmtr so I can listen to movie audio on headphones as I wander around my home. I have the same concern since R movie language is not something I want to enable my neighbors' kids to hear, and my range covers about 5 homes with a "legal" tx and antenna. I have been using it for several years without a problem. Two things work in my favor...one, no one knows I am transmitting and won't be looking for the signal, and two, I am only on after midnight so most likely no one is tuning around that time of night. No guarantee here, I just maintain a very low profile.

My unit has a detachable antenna and I am considering shortening or eliminating the antenna if I can still cover my house. It doesn't sound as if your unit will allow this. Maybe there is some other way to reduce the range? Aluminum foil?

Neil

 

[apco25]

> > That's rather like flagging down a police officer to ask
> > him/her how you're driving. I wouldn't tell the neighbors
>
> > or anyone anything. Without a direction-finding unit,
> > they'll never trace the signal.
> >
> > In the unlikely event a neighbor calls the FCC and they DF
>
> > you and knock on your door, you don't have to let them in
> > without a warrant--they're not the police. Just turn off
> > the offending Part 15 FM unit and say "Profanity? On FM?"
>
> > -- Jason
> >
> Hi,
>
> I agree with Jason. Keep a low profile on this one. You
> know very well if your neighbors (kids) know about 88.1 they
> are going to tune to it. Just use your unit and deal with
> problems if they come up.
>
> There are rules regarding "Sternish" talk on commercial
> radio, but none for part 15. Profanity on part 15 is bad
> judgement and could lead to rules later if abused.
>
> I use my FM xmtr so I can listen to movie audio on
> headphones as I wander around my home. I have the same
> concern since R movie language is not something I want to
> enable my neighbors' kids to hear, and my range covers about
> 5 homes with a "legal" tx and antenna. I have been using it
> for several years without a problem. Two things work in my
> favor...one, no one knows I am transmitting and won't be
> looking for the signal, and two, I am only on after midnight
> so most likely no one is tuning around that time of night.
> No guarantee here, I just maintain a very low profile.
>
> My unit has a detachable antenna and I am considering
> shortening or eliminating the antenna if I can still cover
> my house. It doesn't sound as if your unit will allow this.
> Maybe there is some other way to reduce the range?
> Aluminum foil?
>
> Neil
>


I wish people like you would worry about your country and culture then some petty thing like this. Number one , no one listens to 88.1 around the perimeters of your house whether you have Stern on or not.
No one listened to me around my resident when I use to put out a pirate radio signal out. No one said anything. That was 50 watts. The chances of someone catching or accidentally eavesdropping a baby monitor is much greater.

Boy, I don't what becomes of this do-gooder righteousness the wrong way. Uh oh!....I better check my wall sockets. I'm picking up a 900 MHZ NTSC camera signal...I think someone 's watching me.

 

[Desert_Ear]

It's very simple to prevent a profanity problem:

Don't listen to Howard Stern!

 

[JasonW]

Neil's precaution is a good one to avoid trouble. If Howard Stern podcasts as well as broadcasting via satellite, you could download the shows and listen to them over the Part 15 FM transmitter late at night. -- JasonW

> > That's rather like flagging down a police officer to ask
> > him/her how you're driving. I wouldn't tell the neighbors
>
> > or anyone anything. Without a direction-finding unit,
> > they'll never trace the signal.
> >
> > In the unlikely event a neighbor calls the FCC and they DF
>
> > you and knock on your door, you don't have to let them in
> > without a warrant--they're not the police. Just turn off
> > the offending Part 15 FM unit and say "Profanity? On FM?"
>
> > -- Jason
> >
> Hi,
>
> I agree with Jason. Keep a low profile on this one. You
> know very well if your neighbors (kids) know about 88.1 they
> are going to tune to it. Just use your unit and deal with
> problems if they come up.
>
> There are rules regarding "Sternish" talk on commercial
> radio, but none for part 15. Profanity on part 15 is bad
> judgement and could lead to rules later if abused.
>
> I use my FM xmtr so I can listen to movie audio on
> headphones as I wander around my home. I have the same
> concern since R movie language is not something I want to
> enable my neighbors' kids to hear, and my range covers about
> 5 homes with a "legal" tx and antenna. I have been using it
> for several years without a problem. Two things work in my
> favor...one, no one knows I am transmitting and won't be
> looking for the signal, and two, I am only on after midnight
> so most likely no one is tuning around that time of night.
> No guarantee here, I just maintain a very low profile.
>
> My unit has a detachable antenna and I am considering
> shortening or eliminating the antenna if I can still cover
> my house. It doesn't sound as if your unit will allow this.
> Maybe there is some other way to reduce the range?
> Aluminum foil?
>
> Neil
>

 

[carlvanorden]

> That's rather like flagging down a police officer to ask> him/her how you're driving. I wouldn't tell the neighbors> or anyone anything. Without a direction-finding unit,> they'll never trace the signal.> > In the unlikely event a neighbor calls the FCC and they DF> you and knock on your door, you don't have to let them in> without a warrant--they're not the police. Just turn off> the offending Part 15 FM unit and say "Profanity? On FM?" > -- Jason> > > When Howard Stern moved over to (up to?) Sirius off the> bird> > in the sky, my wife purchased a receiver with an internal> FM> > transmitter to allow the satellite signal to be played> > through a local fm radio. Also, she purchased the> adapter> > for home use and used the preset at 88.1fm. The unit sits> > neatly on our second floor bedroom dresser. All is great,> > > except that I can hear the fm link signal relaying Stern's> > > antics and "uncensored shenanigans" all over our> > neighborhood! Nothing has been changed on the unit,> stock> > out of the box. > > > > Add to this, the fact that I have been operating a part 15> > > fmr in our neighborhood for the last ten years without a> > hitch, I wonder what's gonna happen. Someone is going to> > retrieve his pornographic program on their FCC controlled> > terrestial fm radio, and accuse me of airing suggestive> > material. > > > > I will be notifying my neighbors in writing that they may> > hear this material on their home radio, but I wonder what> > the legal ramifications could be down the line for us Part> > > 15rs. This could even be affected by the use of ipods> with> > the same type of link, airing music with uncensored> lyrics. > > > > > > What do you think?> >> This is a very interesting problem!...not uncommon, but interesting.....however, it is not Sirius's fault......I'm not an engineer like R. Fry, or Radiopilot, however, in broadcast radio, if an installation interferes with resident's ability to receive their station of their choice, it is the "broadcaster" (i.e.....YOU) to solve the problem. Sometimes filters are installed on resident's radio's. I recall when I worked at a 10,000w DA that residents were hearing our station out of their TOASTERS!! (true, and I have the newspaper article to prove this).....I would suggest moving your radio to another area of your house, perhaps in the center of it...that may tend to keep the signal within your home, or at least within the confines of your yard.....but another poster was correct: advertising to your neighbors that the signal they are hearing is emanating from your home is not a very good idea...........to sooth your nerves, why not give a call, or an email to the manufacturer of your unit and see what they say????Carl<P ID="signature">______________
[email protected], [email protected],[email protected]</P>

 

[radio8z]

Some comments for apco25 and anyone interested

Hello APCO25,

I believe that the tone of this thread is that some of us do not want to offend our neighbors. I also wish to state that I do not support censorship and I want you to be able to listen to whatever you want. With this in mind notice that I said in my post that I did not want to enable my neighbors and their kids to hear R audio, and not that I want to prevent them from doing so by other means. That is their choice, not mine.

Some comments about what you wrote:

>
>
> I wish people like you would worry about your country and
> culture then some petty thing like this.

I know I do. I don't know what other "people like you" think. I stated essentially that I did not want to be a conduit for the "culture" to be available to kids whose parents may object. That is their chioce through other means.


> Number one , no one
> listens to 88.1 around the perimeters of your house whether
> you have Stern on or not.

You don't know this. You don't even know where I live.


> No one listened to me around my resident when I use to put
> out a pirate radio signal out. No one said anything. That
> was 50 watts.

If one is concerned about one's country and culture then shouldn't one be concerned about laws?


> The chances of someone catching or
> accidentally eavesdropping a baby monitor is much greater.
>

I disagree since most baby monitors operate outside of the broadcast bands.


> Boy, I don't what becomes of this do-gooder righteousness
> the wrong way.

No comment because I don't understand what you wrote.


> Uh oh!....I better check my wall sockets. I'm
> picking up a 900 MHZ NTSC camera signal...I think someone 's
> watching me.
>

If you are picking up a signal, just look at the video and you will know.


Thanks for your response because it enabled me to expand on a few things. By the way, I did shorten my antenna to further limit my range.

Neil

 

[rfry]

> I use my FM xmtr so I can listen to movie audio on
> headphones as I wander around my home. My unit has
> a detachable antenna and I am considering shortening
> or eliminating the antenna if I can still cover
> my house.
________________

As an aside... using a short(er) radiator doesn't much change the fields it can generate for a given applied power. It does change its input impedance, but if you can still get your transmitter to match into it properly, the field it generates won't be much different than with a longer radiator.

For example, the difference in the peak power gain of a 1/10-wave dipole and a 1/2-wave dipole is in the ratio of 1.5/1.64. So for the same applied power, the peak field of the 1/10-wave dipole is reduced by about 5 % (the square root of that ratio). Not much.

Using NO antenna should make a bigger difference, though

(Edit was to correct the calculation -- my error.)

//<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by rfry on 01/12/06 05:07 PM.</FONT></P>

 

[radio8z]

Cutting FM transmitter antenna.

> > I use my FM xmtr so I can listen to movie audio on
> > headphones as I wander around my home. My unit has
> > a detachable antenna and I am considering shortening
> > or eliminating the antenna if I can still cover
> > my house.
> ________________
>
> As an aside... using a short(er) radiator doesn't much
> change the fields it can generate for a given applied
> power. It does change its input impedance, but if you can
> still get your transmitter to match into it properly, the
> field it generates won't be much different than with a
> longer radiator.
>
> For example, the difference in the peak gain of a 1/2-wave
> dipole and a 1/10-wave dipole is in the ratio of 1.64/1.5.
> So for the same radiated power, the peak field of the
> 1/10-wave dipole is reduced ~ 8-1/2% !!
>
> Using NO antenna should make a bigger difference, though
>
> //
>
Hi Rich,

Thanks for the analysis. Here's what I experienced when I shortened the antenna. I had a 15" whip installed and could hear the signal about 250 feet away on a mobile radio. In my home, the signal was full quieting on a sony walkman FM pocket radio.

I trimmed the whip to 9 inches and the signal in my home gets noisy, but is acceptable, in the far corners (about 40 feet from the tx.). From my usual viewing position 5 feet away, it is full quieting.

I have not yet checked the outdoor range but I suspect it is reduced.

You are no doubt correct that the reduction is due to transmitter to antenna mismatch more than to radiator length, but shortening the antenna did reduce the indoor signal strength, most likely as you said, by changing the applied power.

Using no antenna, I could not hear the signal 5 feet away. I am using a Ramsey FM-25 which I installed in a metal box and ferrite beads on the power line to prevent hum problems. I must have done a good job, since with no antenna, I hear nothing.



Neil

 

[radiopilot]

> > That's rather like flagging down a police officer to ask>
> him/her how you're driving. I wouldn't tell the neighbors>
> or anyone anything. Without a direction-finding unit,>
> they'll never trace the signal.> > In the unlikely event a
> neighbor calls the FCC and they DF> you and knock on your
> door, you don't have to let them in> without a
> warrant--they're not the police. Just turn off> the
> offending Part 15 FM unit and say "Profanity? On FM?" > --
> Jason> > > When Howard Stern moved over to (up to?) Sirius
> off the> bird> > in the sky, my wife purchased a receiver
> with an internal> FM> > transmitter to allow the satellite
> signal to be played> > through a local fm radio. Also, she
> purchased the> adapter> > for home use and used the preset
> at 88.1fm. The unit sits> > neatly on our second floor
> bedroom dresser. All is great,> > > except that I can hear
> the fm link signal relaying Stern's> > > antics and
> "uncensored shenanigans" all over our> > neighborhood!
> Nothing has been changed on the unit,> stock> > out of the
> box. > > > > Add to this, the fact that I have been
> operating a part 15> > > fmr in our neighborhood for the
> last ten years without a> > hitch, I wonder what's gonna
> happen. Someone is going to> > retrieve his pornographic
> program on their FCC controlled> > terrestial fm radio, and
> accuse me of airing suggestive> > material. > > > > I will
> be notifying my neighbors in writing that they may> > hear
> this material on their home radio, but I wonder what> > the
> legal ramifications could be down the line for us Part> > >
> 15rs. This could even be affected by the use of ipods>
> with> > the same type of link, airing music with uncensored>
> lyrics. > > > > > > What do you think?> >> This is a very
> interesting problem!...not uncommon, but
> interesting.....however, it is not Sirius's fault......I'm
> not an engineer like R. Fry, or Radiopilot, however, in
> broadcast radio, if an installation interferes with
> resident's ability to receive their station of their choice,
> it is the "broadcaster" (i.e.....YOU) to solve the problem.
> Sometimes filters are installed on resident's radio's. I
> recall when I worked at a 10,000w DA that residents were
> hearing our station out of their TOASTERS!! (true, and I
> have the newspaper article to prove this).....I would
> suggest moving your radio to another area of your house,
> perhaps in the center of it...that may tend to keep the
> signal within your home, or at least within the confines of
> your yard.....but another poster was correct: advertising
> to your neighbors that the signal they are hearing is
> emanating from your home is not a very good
> idea...........to sooth your nerves, why not give a call, or
> an email to the manufacturer of your unit and see what they
> say????Carl
>


Carl,

The gentleman using the above FM transmitter to re-transmit the Sirius signal (offending language) would be no different had Stern been broadcasting on 88.1mhz. In order for him to use the Sirius output, he must use only the signal to his stereo or radio and use it that way or if he wants to re-transmit the signal on his FM transmitter he must either 'bleep out' the offending language himself or monitor the language with a delay unit... which by the way costs several thousands of dollars...

My suggestion is that he not re-broadcast the Sirius channel with offending language, because since he is broadcasting 'part15', he is still liable for $50,000.00 or more of fines.

Radiopilot

 

[radio8z]

> Carl,
>
> The gentleman using the above FM transmitter to re-transmit
> the Sirius signal (offending language) would be no different
> had Stern been broadcasting on 88.1mhz. In order for him to
> use the Sirius output, he must use only the signal to his
> stereo or radio and use it that way or if he wants to
> re-transmit the signal on his FM transmitter he must either
> 'bleep out' the offending language himself or monitor the
> language with a delay unit... which by the way costs several
> thousands of dollars...
>
> My suggestion is that he not re-broadcast the Sirius channel
> with offending language, because since he is broadcasting
> 'part15', he is still liable for $50,000.00 or more of
> fines.
>
> Radiopilot
>
Radiopilot,

If Stern were broadcasting on 88.1 then that implies that it is through a licensed station. Yes, there are fines for this.

If Stern was doing this through his part 15 facility and considering that the part15 rules do not govern the content of the "broadcast" I don't know why a part15'er would be subject to fine, unless there is some other section of the FCC rules that would preempt part15. Perhaps the exposure would be on charges of public indecency or copyright violation, but not on a violation of part15 as I read it.

I think the best advice, which you and others have offered, is not to broadcast offensive material, but I don't think you will be fined under part 15 if you do so, especially under the circumstances described in the original post.

Neil

 

[radiopilot]

> > Carl,
> >
> > The gentleman using the above FM transmitter to
> re-transmit
> > the Sirius signal (offending language) would be no
> different
> > had Stern been broadcasting on 88.1mhz. In order for him
> to
> > use the Sirius output, he must use only the signal to his
> > stereo or radio and use it that way or if he wants to
> > re-transmit the signal on his FM transmitter he must
> either
> > 'bleep out' the offending language himself or monitor the
> > language with a delay unit... which by the way costs
> several
> > thousands of dollars...
> >
> > My suggestion is that he not re-broadcast the Sirius
> channel
> > with offending language, because since he is broadcasting
> > 'part15', he is still liable for $50,000.00 or more of
> > fines.
> >
> > Radiopilot
> >
> Radiopilot,
>
> If Stern were broadcasting on 88.1 then that implies that it
> is through a licensed station. Yes, there are fines for
> this.
>
> If Stern was doing this through his part 15 facility and
> considering that the part15 rules do not govern the content
> of the "broadcast" I don't know why a part15'er would be
> subject to fine, unless there is some other section of the
> FCC rules that would preempt part15. Perhaps the exposure
> would be on charges of public indecency or copyright
> violation, but not on a violation of part15 as I read it.
>
> I think the best advice, which you and others have offered,
> is not to broadcast offensive material, but I don't think
> you will be fined under part 15 if you do so, especially
> under the circumstances described in the original post.
>
> Neil
>

Hello Neil,

I understand what you say about the Part15 rules not indicating about the obscene broadcasts, but if you read the following, I believe it'll be more clear:

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/obscene.html

It's up to the broadcaster to show he is not breaking the rule...

Radiopilot

 

[DudeFan]

> > > That's rather like flagging down a police officer to
> ask>
> > him/her how you're driving. I wouldn't tell the
> neighbors>
> > or anyone anything. Without a direction-finding unit,>
> > they'll never trace the signal.> > In the unlikely event a
>
> > neighbor calls the FCC and they DF> you and knock on your
> > door, you don't have to let them in> without a
> > warrant--they're not the police. Just turn off> the
> > offending Part 15 FM unit and say "Profanity? On FM?" >
> --
> > Jason> > > When Howard Stern moved over to (up to?) Sirius
>
> > off the> bird> > in the sky, my wife purchased a receiver
> > with an internal> FM> > transmitter to allow the satellite
>
> > signal to be played> > through a local fm radio. Also,
> she
> > purchased the> adapter> > for home use and used the preset
>
> > at 88.1fm. The unit sits> > neatly on our second floor
> > bedroom dresser. All is great,> > > except that I can
> hear
> > the fm link signal relaying Stern's> > > antics and
> > "uncensored shenanigans" all over our> > neighborhood!
> > Nothing has been changed on the unit,> stock> > out of the
>
> > box. > > > > Add to this, the fact that I have been
> > operating a part 15> > > fmr in our neighborhood for the
> > last ten years without a> > hitch, I wonder what's gonna
> > happen. Someone is going to> > retrieve his pornographic
> > program on their FCC controlled> > terrestial fm radio,
> and
> > accuse me of airing suggestive> > material. > > > > I
> will
> > be notifying my neighbors in writing that they may> > hear
>
> > this material on their home radio, but I wonder what> >
> the
> > legal ramifications could be down the line for us Part> >
> >
> > 15rs. This could even be affected by the use of ipods>
> > with> > the same type of link, airing music with
> uncensored>
> > lyrics. > > > > > > What do you think?> >> This is a very
> > interesting problem!...not uncommon, but
> > interesting.....however, it is not Sirius's fault......I'm
>
> > not an engineer like R. Fry, or Radiopilot, however, in
> > broadcast radio, if an installation interferes with
> > resident's ability to receive their station of their
> choice,
> > it is the "broadcaster" (i.e.....YOU) to solve the
> problem.
> > Sometimes filters are installed on resident's radio's. I
> > recall when I worked at a 10,000w DA that residents were
> > hearing our station out of their TOASTERS!! (true, and I
> > have the newspaper article to prove this).....I would
> > suggest moving your radio to another area of your house,
> > perhaps in the center of it...that may tend to keep the
> > signal within your home, or at least within the confines
> of
> > your yard.....but another poster was correct: advertising
>
> > to your neighbors that the signal they are hearing is
> > emanating from your home is not a very good
> > idea...........to sooth your nerves, why not give a call,
> or
> > an email to the manufacturer of your unit and see what
> they
> > say????Carl
> >
>
>
> Carl,
>
> The gentleman using the above FM transmitter to re-transmit
> the Sirius signal (offending language) would be no different
> had Stern been broadcasting on 88.1mhz. In order for him to
> use the Sirius output, he must use only the signal to his
> stereo or radio and use it that way or if he wants to
> re-transmit the signal on his FM transmitter he must either
> 'bleep out' the offending language himself or monitor the
> language with a delay unit... which by the way costs several
> thousands of dollars...
>
> My suggestion is that he not re-broadcast the Sirius channel
> with offending language, because since he is broadcasting
> 'part15', he is still liable for $50,000.00 or more of
> fines.
>
> Radiopilot
>

Part 15 devices are not regulated as broadcast stations and, therefore, are not subject to indecency regulation.

 

[rec]

> My suggestion is that he not re-broadcast the Sirius channel
> with offending language, because since he is broadcasting
> 'part15', he is still liable for $50,000.00 or more of
> fines.

Can I get the local drive-in theater that broadcast movie soundtracks with language that makes Stern's Sirius show sould like the family hour to be fined $50,000?

I do know that they are definitely broadcasting more than 250 mV/m at 3m.

ec

 

[DudeFan]

> > > Carl,
> > >
> > > The gentleman using the above FM transmitter to
> > re-transmit
> > > the Sirius signal (offending language) would be no
> > different
> > > had Stern been broadcasting on 88.1mhz. In order for
> him
> > to
> > > use the Sirius output, he must use only the signal to
> his
> > > stereo or radio and use it that way or if he wants to
> > > re-transmit the signal on his FM transmitter he must
> > either
> > > 'bleep out' the offending language himself or monitor
> the
> > > language with a delay unit... which by the way costs
> > several
> > > thousands of dollars...
> > >
> > > My suggestion is that he not re-broadcast the Sirius
> > channel
> > > with offending language, because since he is
> broadcasting
> > > 'part15', he is still liable for $50,000.00 or more of
> > > fines.
> > >
> > > Radiopilot
> > >
> > Radiopilot,
> >
> > If Stern were broadcasting on 88.1 then that implies that
> it
> > is through a licensed station. Yes, there are fines for
> > this.
> >
> > If Stern was doing this through his part 15 facility and
> > considering that the part15 rules do not govern the
> content
> > of the "broadcast" I don't know why a part15'er would be
> > subject to fine, unless there is some other section of the
>
> > FCC rules that would preempt part15. Perhaps the exposure
>
> > would be on charges of public indecency or copyright
> > violation, but not on a violation of part15 as I read it.
> >
> > I think the best advice, which you and others have
> offered,
> > is not to broadcast offensive material, but I don't think
> > you will be fined under part 15 if you do so, especially
> > under the circumstances described in the original post.
> >
> > Neil
> >
>
> Hello Neil,
>
> I understand what you say about the Part15 rules not
> indicating about the obscene broadcasts, but if you read the
> following, I believe it'll be more clear:
>
> http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/obscene.html
>
> It's up to the broadcaster to show he is not breaking the
> rule...
>
> Radiopilot
>

Part 15 operations are not "broadcasters" under the regulations.

 

[apco25]

> > > That's rather like flagging down a police officer to
> ask>
> > him/her how you're driving. I wouldn't tell the
> neighbors>
> > or anyone anything. Without a direction-finding unit,>
> > they'll never trace the signal.> > In the unlikely event a
>
> > neighbor calls the FCC and they DF> you and knock on your
> > door, you don't have to let them in> without a
> > warrant--they're not the police. Just turn off> the
> > offending Part 15 FM unit and say "Profanity? On FM?" >
> --
> > Jason> > > When Howard Stern moved over to (up to?) Sirius
>
> > off the> bird> > in the sky, my wife purchased a receiver
> > with an internal> FM> > transmitter to allow the satellite
>
> > signal to be played> > through a local fm radio. Also,
> she
> > purchased the> adapter> > for home use and used the preset
>
> > at 88.1fm. The unit sits> > neatly on our second floor
> > bedroom dresser. All is great,> > > except that I can
> hear
> > the fm link signal relaying Stern's> > > antics and
> > "uncensored shenanigans" all over our> > neighborhood!
> > Nothing has been changed on the unit,> stock> > out of the
>
> > box. > > > > Add to this, the fact that I have been
> > operating a part 15> > > fmr in our neighborhood for the
> > last ten years without a> > hitch, I wonder what's gonna
> > happen. Someone is going to> > retrieve his pornographic
> > program on their FCC controlled> > terrestial fm radio,
> and
> > accuse me of airing suggestive> > material. > > > > I
> will
> > be notifying my neighbors in writing that they may> > hear
>
> > this material on their home radio, but I wonder what> >
> the
> > legal ramifications could be down the line for us Part> >
> >
> > 15rs. This could even be affected by the use of ipods>
> > with> > the same type of link, airing music with
> uncensored>
> > lyrics. > > > > > > What do you think?> >> This is a very
> > interesting problem!...not uncommon, but
> > interesting.....however, it is not Sirius's fault......I'm
>
> > not an engineer like R. Fry, or Radiopilot, however, in
> > broadcast radio, if an installation interferes with
> > resident's ability to receive their station of their
> choice,
> > it is the "broadcaster" (i.e.....YOU) to solve the
> problem.
> > Sometimes filters are installed on resident's radio's. I
> > recall when I worked at a 10,000w DA that residents were
> > hearing our station out of their TOASTERS!! (true, and I
> > have the newspaper article to prove this).....I would
> > suggest moving your radio to another area of your house,
> > perhaps in the center of it...that may tend to keep the
> > signal within your home, or at least within the confines
> of
> > your yard.....but another poster was correct: advertising
>
> > to your neighbors that the signal they are hearing is
> > emanating from your home is not a very good
> > idea...........to sooth your nerves, why not give a call,
> or
> > an email to the manufacturer of your unit and see what
> they
> > say????Carl
> >
>
>
> Carl,
>
> The gentleman using the above FM transmitter to re-transmit
> the Sirius signal (offending language) would be no different
> had Stern been broadcasting on 88.1mhz. In order for him to
> use the Sirius output, he must use only the signal to his
> stereo or radio and use it that way or if he wants to
> re-transmit the signal on his FM transmitter he must either
> 'bleep out' the offending language himself or monitor the
> language with a delay unit... which by the way costs several
> thousands of dollars...
>
> My suggestion is that he not re-broadcast the Sirius channel
> with offending language, because since he is broadcasting
> 'part15', he is still liable for $50,000.00 or more of
> fines.
>
> Radiopilot
>


Are you joking. That is Ridiculous. He's not not licensed to retransmit anything in his house. Some of you guys must be priest on here.

 

[apco25]

> > Carl,
> >
> > The gentleman using the above FM transmitter to
> re-transmit
> > the Sirius signal (offending language) would be no
> different
> > had Stern been broadcasting on 88.1mhz. In order for him
> to
> > use the Sirius output, he must use only the signal to his
> > stereo or radio and use it that way or if he wants to
> > re-transmit the signal on his FM transmitter he must
> either
> > 'bleep out' the offending language himself or monitor the
> > language with a delay unit... which by the way costs
> several
> > thousands of dollars...
> >
> > My suggestion is that he not re-broadcast the Sirius
> channel
> > with offending language, because since he is broadcasting
> > 'part15', he is still liable for $50,000.00 or more of
> > fines.
> >
> > Radiopilot
> >
> Radiopilot,
>
> If Stern were broadcasting on 88.1 then that implies that it
> is through a licensed station. Yes, there are fines for
> this.
>
> If Stern was doing this through his part 15 facility and
> considering that the part15 rules do not govern the content
> of the "broadcast" I don't know why a part15'er would be
> subject to fine, unless there is some other section of the
> FCC rules that would preempt part15. Perhaps the exposure
> would be on charges of public indecency or copyright
> violation, but not on a violation of part15 as I read it.
>
> I think the best advice, which you and others have offered,
> is not to broadcast offensive material, but I don't think
> you will be fined under part 15 if you do so, especially
> under the circumstances described in the original post.
>
> Neil
>


You have some over do-gooders on here that they think doing something for the world that is useless for the average person that they really care alot.
If I walk past someone's house with a rap/hip hop CD blasting the audio and F'word out on the sidewalk......do you think i can sue them for THAT.
Disturbing the public might be one thing....but the content of it....forget it, what's the sense of talking.

 

[radio8z]

> You have some over do-gooders on here that they think doing
> something for the world that is useless for the average
> person that they really care alot.
> If I walk past someone's house with a rap/hip hop CD
> blasting the audio and F'word out on the sidewalk......do
> you think i can sue them for THAT.
> Disturbing the public might be one thing....but the content
> of it....forget it, what's the sense of talking.
>
Hi,

I am trying to understand your "over do-gooders" reference. Pardon me if I don't and educate me. I will just say that most folks here are trying to help others by sharing the benefit of their knowledge, opinion, and experience. If you feel this is misdirected, then please offer your comments.

I do understand your comments about the boom box, etc. To answer your question, yes, I can sue them for listening to my boom box and they can sue me for playing it.

Neil

 

[apco25]

Re: Some comments for apco25 and anyone interested

> Hello APCO25,
>
> I believe that the tone of this thread is that some of us do
> not want to offend our neighbors. I also wish to state that
> I do not support censorship and I want you to be able to
> listen to whatever you want. With this in mind notice that
> I said in my post that I did not want to enable my neighbors
> and their kids to hear R audio, and not that I want to
> prevent them from doing so by other means. That is their
> choice, not mine.
>
> Some comments about what you wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I wish people like you would worry about your country and
> > culture then some petty thing like this.
>
> I know I do. I don't know what other "people like you"
> think. I stated essentially that I did not want to be a
> conduit for the "culture" to be available to kids whose
> parents may object. That is their chioce through other
> means.
>
>
> > Number one , no one
> > listens to 88.1 around the perimeters of your house
> whether
> > you have Stern on or not.
>
> You don't know this. You don't even know where I live.

It doesn't matter where you live...this is frivilous. Today with pre-sets on every receiver, who tunes it to 88.1? Unless your a hobbyist? I could hang out a sign on a street post that stating to listen to my internet station, and I'm lucky if I get one or two responses within my primary neighborhood. I get people in the Bahamas? Not Mrs. Jones across the street.
And kids or children today would catch Howard Stern or Stern material on their IPODS or Internet computers before they find it on 88.1. C'mon.
>
>
> > No one listened to me around my resident when I use to put
>
> > out a pirate radio signal out. No one said anything. That
>
> > was 50 watts.
>
> If one is concerned about one's country and culture then
> shouldn't one be concerned about laws?
>
Sure, I don't disagree, but don't worry about the guy throwing some trash down the sewer when there's more to be vigilante about.
>
> > The chances of someone catching or
> > accidentally eavesdropping a baby monitor is much greater.
>
> >
>
> I disagree since most baby monitors operate outside of the
> broadcast bands.
>

Wrong, it doesn't matter. You don't think neighbors who have infants with baby monitors haven't picked each other up caddie cornered on the same block. I know several.
>
> > Boy, I don't what becomes of this do-gooder righteousness
> > the wrong way.
>
> No comment because I don't understand what you wrote.

Worded it wrong for your understanding...what I'm saying is, this is the weakest scare tactic of heard in a very long time.
The bottom line is , you can broadcast or re-transmit any audio under part 15 in your home. If somebody is putting their ear with a wine glass against the wall of your home, their in violation not you.
>
>
> > Uh oh!....I better check my wall sockets. I'm
> > picking up a 900 MHZ NTSC camera signal...I think someone
> 's
> > watching me.
> >
>
> If you are picking up a signal, just look at the video and
> you will know.
>
Right, no sense of being paranoid.

>
> Thanks for your response because it enabled me to expand on
> a few things. By the way, I did shorten my antenna to
> further limit my range.
>
> Neil
>

Shame , I was trying to pick up your signal from here last night, so you can send me a QRM card.