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Sirius Not Replacing Air America

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There will be no second liberal station. 144 becomes "Radio Korea" as of Monday.

So you think they'll drop "Patriot" to make it fair? I didn't think so, either.
 
> There will be no second liberal station. 144 becomes "Radio
> Korea" as of Monday.
>
> So you think they'll drop "Patriot" to make it fair? I
> didn't think so, either.
>
Ya never know....seeing that no one listens to it, I would imagine it would be dropped
 
> > There will be no second liberal station. 144 becomes
> "Radio
> > Korea" as of Monday.
> >
> > So you think they'll drop "Patriot" to make it fair? I
> > didn't think so, either.
> >
> Ya never know....seeing that no one listens to it, I would
> imagine it would be dropped
>

What they should do is add two or three lib talkers to Patriot. I don't see why conservatives are the only ones allowed to be called "patriots" according to Sirius.
 
> > > There will be no second liberal station. 144 becomes
> > "Radio
> > > Korea" as of Monday.
> > >
> > > So you think they'll drop "Patriot" to make it fair? I
> > > didn't think so, either.
> > >
> > Ya never know....seeing that no one listens to it, I would
>
> > imagine it would be dropped
> >
>
> What they should do is add two or three lib talkers to
> Patriot. I don't see why conservatives are the only ones
> allowed to be called "patriots" according to Sirius.


> Air America may not last out the year even on XM or terrestrial radio, the coffers are drying up fast.
 
They didn't drop AA. AA made a deal with XM. Pure and simple. And why do they have to make it fair? Typical liberal response.

> There will be no second liberal station. 144 becomes "Radio
> Korea" as of Monday.
>
> So you think they'll drop "Patriot" to make it fair? I
> didn't think so, either.
>
 
And what facts are you baseing this statement on? Do you have ratings to prove it? Oh that's right, it's satellite radio. No Arbs. Only Sirius knows for sure. > >
> Ya never know....seeing that no one listens to it, I would
> imagine it would be dropped
>
 
> > > > There will be no second liberal station. 144 becomes
> > > "Radio
> > > > Korea" as of Monday.
> > > >
> > > > So you think they'll drop "Patriot" to make it fair?
> I
> > > > didn't think so, either.
> > > >
> > > Ya never know....seeing that no one listens to it, I
> would
> >
> > > imagine it would be dropped
> > >
> >
> > What they should do is add two or three lib talkers to
> > Patriot. I don't see why conservatives are the only ones
> > allowed to be called "patriots" according to Sirius.
>
>
> > Air America may not last out the year even on XM or
> terrestrial radio, the coffers are drying up fast.

Is this your opinion or can you back up this statement with a link to a legitimate source for this "information"?
 
> There will be no second liberal station. 144 becomes "Radio
> Korea" as of Monday.
>
> So you think they'll drop "Patriot" to make it fair? I
> didn't think so, either.
>

Yeah, I woke up this morning and heard the Korean broadcast. I was furious. Great for Sirius for thinking about the Korean community, but it's really sad that they can't either just tell us that they won't be adding a new liberal talker or when they will be. It's ridiculous especially since they already have one hour of two quality three-hour shows (Thom Hartmann and Stephanie Miller) that they can move to another channel and run in their entirity.

It's funny, I subscribed to Sirus when it first came on board in 2002 because they were the only service to have a dedicated channel to liberal talk. I know many other people who subscribed for that reason as well. Now they have taken a drastic step back, not replacing Air America, programming a liberal channel with two shows that are not fully political talk (Alex Bennett and Lyn Samuels) and carrying two-and-a-half conservative talk channels (Patriot, Right and ABC).

I don't think they want our money anymore.
 
> > > > > There will be no second liberal station. 144
> becomes
> > > > "Radio
> > > > > Korea" as of Monday.
> > > > >
> > > > > So you think they'll drop "Patriot" to make it fair?
>
> > I
> > > > > didn't think so, either.
> > > > >
> > > > Ya never know....seeing that no one listens to it, I
> > would
> > >
> > > > imagine it would be dropped
> > > >
> > >
> > > What they should do is add two or three lib talkers to
> > > Patriot. I don't see why conservatives are the only ones
>
> > > allowed to be called "patriots" according to Sirius.
> >
> >
> > > Air America may not last out the year even on XM or
> > terrestrial radio, the coffers are drying up fast.
>
> Is this your opinion or can you back up this statement with
> a link to a legitimate source for this "information"?

I didn't post that, but a search on google news for "Air America scandal"
will probably find your answer.
 
After I did that, all i found were stories in the media about how the media wasnt covering this. All it mentioned was a $875,000 loan that they will pay back. But that does not discuss how much money the company does have.

> I didn't post that, but a search on google news for "Air
> America scandal"
> will probably find your answer.
>
 
And since it's a network adding affiliates, that would mean it's got a fighting chance.

And before anyone trots out the whole "well, they're getting lousy stations" argument, well, those are the stations that are available. One side got there first, so now AA has to do with what's left.

Truthfully, I'll never understand why some people seem to be so afraid of Air America. Don't agree with 'em, fine, don't listen to them. No one's holding a gun to your head making you change it from whatever else you're listening to.
 
> There will be no second liberal station. 144 becomes "Radio
> Korea" as of Monday.
>
> So you think they'll drop "Patriot" to make it fair? I
> didn't think so, either.
>


For a minute there, I thought it was the shortwave station Radio Korea International http://rki.kbs.co.kr/ (recently renamed KBS World radio?). This Radio Korea is actually a Los Angeles AM Station at 1230, though I do see it listed as being from South Korea in the LyngSat listings at http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/radiocountry/kr.html. Lyngsat does have the correct address when you click on the logo.
 
> And since it's a network adding affiliates, that would mean
> it's got a fighting chance.
>
> And before anyone trots out the whole "well, they're getting
> lousy stations" argument, well, those are the stations that
> are available. One side got there first, so now AA has to
> do with what's left.
>
> Truthfully, I'll never understand why some people seem to be
> so afraid of Air America. Don't agree with 'em, fine, don't
> listen to them. No one's holding a gun to your head making
> you change it from whatever else you're listening to.


>
> Its not that most people mind having a liberal viewpoint on the air, we should, this is America and all sides should be heard and viewed. The problem is the ratings. If a program, right wing or left wing or anything in-between doesnt pull ratings, it wont get the ad dollars and gets pulled eventualy. Its just a fact that the right winger shows seem to pull in the numbers aand bucks better than the left wing ones. When they do, they stay, if they dont they go. Its not about what is fair, its the #s and $$ that count.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by AZJoe on 08/19/05 12:33 AM.</FONT></P>
 
> Its not that most people mind having a liberal viewpoint
> on the air, we should, this is America and all sides should
> be heard and viewed. The problem is the ratings. If a
> program, right wing or left wing or anything in-between
> doesnt pull ratings, it wont get the ad dollars and gets
> pulled eventualy. Its just a fact that the right winger
> shows seem to pull in the numbers aand bucks better than the
> left wing ones. When they do, they stay, if they dont they
> go. Its not about what is fair, its the #s and $$ that
> count.

The problem with your argument is that the right wing shows have been pulling in the listeners because, until recently, they've been practically the only thing available.

Mike Malloy and Randi Rhodes pulled in amazing numbers wherever they were tried before AAR started up; it's just that too often management would end up pulling their shows NOT because of ratings but because of either corporate pressure (especially in Malloy's case, since he tended to be controversial) or complaintes from people who didn't like hearing cogent liberal arguments.

Air America started on a series of relatively low power stations, and has grown from four stations to seventy in just 18 months. Response is great, and ratings are up on nearly every station that switched.

People who have been chanting "Air America" is doomed since the beginning are just trying to fit it into their own little worldview where only neocons are successful, without realizing that before now neocons were all you could find. Now there's an alternative.
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> > Its not that most people mind having a liberal viewpoint
> > on the air, we should, this is America and all sides
> should
> > be heard and viewed. The problem is the ratings. If a
> > program, right wing or left wing or anything in-between
> > doesnt pull ratings, it wont get the ad dollars and gets
> > pulled eventualy. Its just a fact that the right winger
> > shows seem to pull in the numbers aand bucks better than
> the
> > left wing ones. When they do, they stay, if they dont
> they
> > go. Its not about what is fair, its the #s and $$ that
> > count.
>
> The problem with your argument is that the right wing shows
> have been pulling in the listeners because, until recently,
> they've been practically the only thing available.
>
> Mike Malloy and Randi Rhodes pulled in amazing numbers
> wherever they were tried before AAR started up; it's just
> that too often management would end up pulling their shows
> NOT because of ratings but because of either corporate
> pressure (especially in Malloy's case, since he tended to be
> controversial) or complaintes from people who didn't like
> hearing cogent liberal arguments.
>
> Air America started on a series of relatively low power
> stations, and has grown from four stations to seventy in
> just 18 months. Response is great, and ratings are up on
> nearly every station that switched.
>
> People who have been chanting "Air America" is doomed since
> the beginning are just trying to fit it into their own
> little worldview where only neocons are successful, without
> realizing that before now neocons were all you could find.
> Now there's an alternative.
>
AA, like any new onair venture, has had its bumps in the road. The new managment group running the show is more about getting things fixed and giving the network a proper gloss and sheen. I think sirius dropped the ball in tossing them out.
 
Once again, Sirius didn't "toss" them out. Air America signed an exclusive contract with XM. Get your facts straight before you post an opinion.
> >
> AA, like any new onair venture, has had its bumps in the
> road. The new managment group running the show is more about
> getting things fixed and giving the network a proper gloss
> and sheen. I think sirius dropped the ball in tossing them
> out.
>
 
AAR signed the deal because Sirius didn't want to renew their deal with AAR, and were trying to extort ridiculous carriage fees from AAR.

The continuing decline of "Sirius Left" and the decision to not even try to replace AAR helps underline that the new regime is moving Sirius more in line with the right wing extremists.

> Once again, Sirius didn't "toss" them out. Air America
> signed an exclusive contract with XM. Get your facts
> straight before you post an opinion.
> > >
> > AA, like any new onair venture, has had its bumps in the
> > road. The new managment group running the show is more
> about
> > getting things fixed and giving the network a proper gloss
>
> > and sheen. I think sirius dropped the ball in tossing them
>
> > out.
> >
>
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> They didn't drop AA. AA made a deal with XM. Pure and
> simple. And why do they have to make it fair? Typical
> liberal response.

"Why do they have to make it fair?" Ironically ... typical right-wing response.

The reason is SUBSCRIBERS. Sirius LOST AAR. They have a lot of subscribers who BECAME subscribers BECAUSE they carried the full AAR lineup. From the looks of what's happened, they obviously didn't put up too much of a fight to keep AAR ... since they obviously had no plans to replace it.

I remember back in the day when Rush Limbaugh called himself "equal time". Now you can't even turn on radio anymore without hearing one of a hundred Rush-clones.

You'd be squealing if it was your side that was getting short-changed. And don't pretend that you wouldn't.
 
> What they should do is add two or three lib talkers to
> Patriot. I don't see why conservatives are the only ones
> allowed to be called "patriots" according to Sirius.

If right-wingers had their way, SiriusLeft's name would be changed to "Traitor".
 
> Once again, Sirius didn't "toss" them out. Air America
> signed an exclusive contract with XM. Get your facts
> straight before you post an opinion.

Minus your arrogance and attitude, I will agree with you here. Sirius let the network slip through their fingers. Part of me thinks they didn't try.

Alex Bennett is a waste of airspace, Lynn Samuels makes fingernails on a chalkboard sound like a symphony. Thom Hartmann is great, Stephanie Miller is great, Young Turks are hit and miss. Ed Schultz is tolerable. All in all, I don't spend a lot of time listening to 143 during my commuting hours. The NPR/PRI programming is, as always, boring as dirt.
 
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