I noticed that certain songs have slightly different versions that are played on certain stations. For example the song "Chapel of Love" by the Dixie Cups has 2 slightly different versions. The True Oldies Channel plays the version that sounds different vocally. However every other station that I've heard play that song plays the standard version (the more harmonic one). Other songs have slightly different versions of each other as well ("My World is Empty Without You" by Diana Ross & The Supremes where the orchestra in the background is more noticable and "Under the Boardwalk" by the Drifters where the last verse sounds slightly different structurally). My question is which version of these song were sold on vinyl records when they were first released?
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Slightly Different Version of Various Songs
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MR5229 said:
Are you talking about completely different recordings or just different production? For example, some 60s songs sound different than their original 45 versions when they were remixed for stereo. Remember those of us old enough to hear them for the first time on AM radio back then hear alot more now when we can hear them on FM stereo or CD.
There are also examples of records that used different recording sessions for later pressings after their original songs were hits.
One example of this is "Do You Love Me" by the Contours. The Vogues also did this with some of their recordings.
radioman148 said:
I'm talking about different recording sessions. For "Chapel of Love" the version heard most frequently is around 2:45 in length while the version played on the True Oldies Channel is around 2:51. I've played both at the same time and the divergence between them is noticable. The 2:45 version seems to be the most frequently played while the TOC one is heard much less frequently. Don't know if both versions were released at the same time or if the TOC one was recorded later. However iTunes list both versions as from the Dixie Cups. For "My World is Empty Without You" it simply seems to be mixed differently as I have the version where the orchestra can be heard much better compared to the version played on the radio right now.
MR5229 said:
Another good example of this is Ray charles' "What'd I Say" Parts 1&2. The version heard most often is the Atlantic stereo LP version which runs about 6:30. It's easy to find on CD. The Atlantic mono version that was issued as a single runs about 5:05. You can tell it's a different recording by the "chatter" between Parts 1&2. This version is difficult to find on CD.
Skeeter Davis' classic, I Can;'t Stay Mad At You has 2 versions. But it appears only the shorter one was played on commercial radio. Superstar by the Carpenters had several different versions and some of the differences were hardly discernable. The Vogues Magic Town also had different versions, or something, since my 2 copies sure sound different from each other
FRR said:
When the Vogues put out a greatest hits LP in the late 60s they remixed all their songs with violins and orchestration in the background. Fortunately on future releases they changed it back to the original sound.
FRR said:
I agree. The remixed versions sounded terrible.
There is also Hang On Sloopy. The only place I have ever heard the additional verse is on Dick Bartley Presents One Hit Wonders of the 60s, Volume 2.
The best you can do is play the standard radio version and tell the audience, "What I meant to say....", and get a case of the hips for not having permission to use it.
The best you can do is play the standard radio version and tell the audience, "What I meant to say....", and get a case of the hips for not having permission to use it.
As far as edited lyrics are concerned don't forget "Gloria" by Them (Van Morrison)
MR5229 said:
I think the version of "Chapel Of Love" that True Oldies plays is a stereo remix that appeared on a Varese Sarabande Oldies compilation (Dick Bartley Presents Collector's Essentials - On The Radio, Vol. 3).
It's the same recording, but whoever remixed it mixed the vocals a little lower and added a lot more (digital) reverb, making it less "harmonic". The original mono has a very mid-rangy sound with the vocals mixed higher. But the remix sounds much smoother, almost like a modern recording.
As for the Supremes, the mono single mixes and the stereo mixes vary greatly on many of their hits. My guess is you probably heard the mono mix.
And I know there are two versions of "Under The Boardwalk".. one with the line "We'll be making Love" replaced with "We'll be Falling In Love". I prefer the "making love" version best. ;D
Classic Hits Radio (www.classichitsradioonline or something like that) has been playing a version of "All You Need is Love" by the Beatles that features one last extra repetition of the chorus near the end before going into that "love is all you need" fadeout.
firepoint525 said:
Speaking of the Beatles, the version of Penny Lane that was originally played on the radio had a horn at the end. The 45 & all album cuts didn't. In the late 70s an album called "Beatles Rarities" had the radio version.
Right, I never became aware of that version until I heard it on the Rarities album, which, as far as I know, is still not available on CD! :'( (An early version of it (with the extra trumpet notes still in it) can be heard on Anthology II. Apparently, the trumpet notes were deleted by mistake. Someone can correct me on that if I am mistaken.) I believe that this is the Canadian single that you are referring to, which received airplay at the time it was a hit. But I am not old enough to remember that.radioman148 said:
The Velvetones' version of "Glory of Love", on Alladin 3372, which was released in 1957, contains a recitation in the middle of the song:
(spoken in background)
I hold in my hand, dear, three letters
Three letters from the stage of your fine, fine, super-fine career
The first began "Eddie, darling, sweetheart, my wonderful one,
I will always be grateful for the things that you've done"
The second letter came right after I gave you your start
Yes, it came from your pen, dear, but not from your heart
The third became the joker of the deck
You ended your letter enclosed "please sign my cheque"
Why you fool! You poor, sad, worthless, foolish fool
If you think that money can pay me
For the hard years I've suffered till things broke your way
Yes, I'm answering your last letter that says we must part
I'm tearing it to pieces the way you tore up my heart
I smile when you kiss me and I thrill at your touch
My only sin was, I love you much too much
This was lifted, verbatim, from Larry Darnell's R&B classic, "I'll Get Along Somehow - Part 1 & Part 2", released as Regal 3236 in 1949. Then, there was Ruth Brown's version, on Atlantic 887, which was also released in 1949, and Lonnie Johnson's 1960 version of the Larry Darnell original, found on the "Blues & Ballads" Album.
There are numerous more examples of songs recorded by different artists with somewhat altered lyrics, especially R & B recordings from the late 1940s-early 1950s. The Castelles, from Philadelphia, recorded a version of Edna McGriff's "Heavenly Father", which was released in early 1952, on Jubilee 5073. Their version was released on Herb Slotkin's and Jerry Ragavoy's Grand label (Grand 122), in January 1955.
(spoken in background)
I hold in my hand, dear, three letters
Three letters from the stage of your fine, fine, super-fine career
The first began "Eddie, darling, sweetheart, my wonderful one,
I will always be grateful for the things that you've done"
The second letter came right after I gave you your start
Yes, it came from your pen, dear, but not from your heart
The third became the joker of the deck
You ended your letter enclosed "please sign my cheque"
Why you fool! You poor, sad, worthless, foolish fool
If you think that money can pay me
For the hard years I've suffered till things broke your way
Yes, I'm answering your last letter that says we must part
I'm tearing it to pieces the way you tore up my heart
I smile when you kiss me and I thrill at your touch
My only sin was, I love you much too much
This was lifted, verbatim, from Larry Darnell's R&B classic, "I'll Get Along Somehow - Part 1 & Part 2", released as Regal 3236 in 1949. Then, there was Ruth Brown's version, on Atlantic 887, which was also released in 1949, and Lonnie Johnson's 1960 version of the Larry Darnell original, found on the "Blues & Ballads" Album.
There are numerous more examples of songs recorded by different artists with somewhat altered lyrics, especially R & B recordings from the late 1940s-early 1950s. The Castelles, from Philadelphia, recorded a version of Edna McGriff's "Heavenly Father", which was released in early 1952, on Jubilee 5073. Their version was released on Herb Slotkin's and Jerry Ragavoy's Grand label (Grand 122), in January 1955.
firepoint525 said:
I do not know about the Canadian angle, but I do remember all the Top 40 stations in the US played the version with the trumpet ending in 1967.
MR5229 said:
I bet the stereo remix is from the original 3 or 4 track multi-track tape, and that was the correct speed the song was recorded. Or the multi-track recorder that they used to do the digital remix from ran a little slow. Or the mono mix was sped up slightly to make the group sound younger (a common practice back then).
And many CD Reissues use second or third generation tapes (sometimes more) that somehow get sped up or vary in pitch when they were duplicated by the record company.
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The Beatles recorded so many different takes of everything, If you have ever owned those bootlegged cd's Like The Yellow Dog series or the Back-Tracks , there are several series ...these prompted the anthology series... so at any point someone might release an alternate version with a slight nuance..it's just an alternate cut as opposed to a cannibalized cut which I am hearing here. ..... I programmed an alt vers Of "Mack The Knife", an Alternate ver of "Doo Wah Diddy", Alt Ver. Of "Can't Help Falling In Love"....about a dozen out of the total library....there are subtle difference, just enough to give the audience a subliminal pulse and i don't think anyone ever caught it...but it gave me a satisfaction of experimenting with something a little different with the overplayed hits....I am sure there are alternate versions of all of the above and most of you have a keener ear than most and are catching some of that......Some station may have unknowingly gotten their hands on those K-tel 30 hits on one LP, WITH CLIPPED ORIGINAL VERSIONS.
http://www.wqsvam790.com
Website to a station that I have heard playing some (what sound like) alternate mixes. Listen online and see if you can catch a few of those yourself. (Keep in mind that this is a full-service station with lots of religious, sports, and public affairs, etc., programming.)
Website to a station that I have heard playing some (what sound like) alternate mixes. Listen online and see if you can catch a few of those yourself. (Keep in mind that this is a full-service station with lots of religious, sports, and public affairs, etc., programming.)
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