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Smells Like The End Weekend

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AllMightySting

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From what I hear round number two is supposed to kick off this weekend......should be fun. Anyone care to guess how much longer it will be before 92.3 finally drops bands like Three Days Grace and Metallica and just goes all out alternative??<P ID="signature">______________
Ben Toplek
DJ/WBWC</P>
 
> Anyone care to guess how much longer it will be before 92.3 finally drops bands like Three Days Grace and Metallica and just goes all out
> alternative??
>
Somebody wanna help me out here? Is there such a thing as "alternative" anymore? Seriously...maybe I've been in and out of the biz too long, but is it TRULY "alternative" when it's actually mainstream? Or has music gotten so pigeonholed that, even if it IS the prevalent sound at what WAS called AOR, it reverts to the "format label" that apparently all genre-exclusive zombies are programmed to respond to? "Alternative" indeed.
Or am I being such a cynical wise-ass to consider that time-and-temp people wouldn't know the difference?
-Still available if anyone wants to take the chance and have some fun,
Brady
 
Brady.....I'll have some fun!!

All the different genres of rock are seriously enough to make you head spin. Alternative, Rock, Classic Rock, Active Rock, AAA, etc... I mean you have stuff that crosses in and out of genres. System of a Down can be considered alternative, but Metallica isn't?? I mean, what's the difference right? You're right, there probably isn't a clear cut definition anymore, however.......

To me an Alternative Rock radio station in this day and age means one that is willing to welcome in all kinds of different rock and be an umbrella of sorts. Playing bands like The Police and Depeche Mode along side Pearl Jam and System of a Down. Expanded playlists that don't include just one Radiohead song, but 20 Radiohead songs. Maybe even stepping outside the box and adding an artist to the playlist such as Bob Marley, or Johnny Cash. One that is willing to take risks on new/unknown bands that may not be getting a bunch of mainstream attention, but that the program director feels the auidence will like such as Motion City Soundtrack or Idlewild. A station which keeps its main focus on the music and is staffed with knowledgable DJs.

923....while sounding much better over the past 6 months...is not yet to the point of what I would consider an Alternative Rock radio station. Just my .02, I may be right, or I may be wrong....either way its an interesting topic of debate. <P ID="signature">______________
Ben Toplek
DJ/WBWC</P>
 
> From what I hear round number two is supposed to kick off
> this weekend......should be fun. Anyone care to guess how
> much longer it will be before 92.3 finally drops bands like
> Three Days Grace and Metallica and just goes all out
> alternative??
>

I'm suprised they've lasted this long. Traditionally a format like that doesn't bring in the $$$. When Howard leaves I think Rover heads to WNCX and Xtreme gets flipped. January is the usual time to flip a format...<P ID="signature">______________
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> Brady.....I'll have some fun!!
>
> All the different genres of rock are seriously enough to
> make you head spin. Alternative, Rock, Classic Rock, Active
> Rock, AAA, etc... I mean you have stuff that crosses in and
> out of genres. System of a Down can be considered
> alternative, but Metallica isn't?? I mean, what's the
> difference right? You're right, there probably isn't a
> clear cut definition anymore, however.......

Metallica qualifies as classic rock these daze with music over 20 years old. Classic rock stations are missing the boat not playing Metallica, at least dayparted. Unforgiven could be played anytime. IMHO select Kid Rock can be on classic rock. Why wait to young up an aging format. Most classic rock demos are 45-54. Not good.<P ID="signature">______________
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.</P>
 
> > Brady.....I'll have some fun!!
> >
> > All the different genres of rock are seriously enough to
> > make you head spin. Alternative, Rock, Classic Rock,
> Active
> > Rock, AAA, etc... I mean you have stuff that crosses in
> and
> > out of genres. System of a Down can be considered
> > alternative, but Metallica isn't?? I mean, what's the
> > difference right? You're right, there probably isn't a
> > clear cut definition anymore, however.......
>
> Metallica qualifies as classic rock these daze with music
> over 20 years old. Classic rock stations are missing the
> boat not playing Metallica, at least dayparted. Unforgiven
> could be played anytime. IMHO select Kid Rock can be on
> classic rock. Why wait to young up an aging format. Most
> classic rock demos are 45-54. Not good.
>


I've heard WNCX play the occasional Metallica tune....same with WONE. Usually its well after dark, and its very rare.

I can't imagine too much Kid Rock making an appearence on Classic Rock stations...maybe "Lonely Road Of Faith." I could see The White Stripes or Three Doors Down being played though. Seems like Classic Rock stations are unwilling to open up to newer artists because, well, ya know....rock died back in '85 Man!!

I really think the future of "Classic Rock" is a station like WMMS. Take a bunch of "like-sounding" rock songs and mix them together....from all time periods. Stations like WNCX will turn into more Classic Hits stations....a format which has been discussed here before I believe.

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Ben Toplek
DJ/WBWC</P>
 
> > > Brady.....I'll have some fun!!
> > >
> > > All the different genres of rock are seriously enough to
>
> > > make you head spin. Alternative, Rock, Classic Rock,
> > Active
> > > Rock, AAA, etc... I mean you have stuff that crosses in
>
> > and
> > > out of genres. System of a Down can be considered
> > > alternative, but Metallica isn't?? I mean, what's the
> > > difference right? You're right, there probably isn't a
> > > clear cut definition anymore, however.......
> >
> > Metallica qualifies as classic rock these daze with music
> > over 20 years old. Classic rock stations are missing the
> > boat not playing Metallica, at least dayparted. Unforgiven
>
> > could be played anytime. IMHO select Kid Rock can be on
> > classic rock. Why wait to young up an aging format. Most
> > classic rock demos are 45-54. Not good.
> >
>
>
> I've heard WNCX play the occasional Metallica tune....same
> with WONE. Usually its well after dark, and its very rare.
>
>
> I can't imagine too much Kid Rock making an appearence on
> Classic Rock stations...maybe "Lonely Road Of Faith." I
> could see The White Stripes or Three Doors Down being played
> though. Seems like Classic Rock stations are unwilling to
> open up to newer artists because, well, ya know....rock died
> back in '85 Man!!
>
> I really think the future of "Classic Rock" is a station
> like WMMS. Take a bunch of "like-sounding" rock songs and
> mix them together....from all time periods. Stations like
> WNCX will turn into more Classic Hits stations....a format
> which has been discussed here before I believe.
>

WMMS is a mainstream that leans active depending on the daypart.<P ID="signature">______________
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Metallica's last album never moved the needle on Rock Radio..'MMS played a couple of cuts off ''St. Anger'', but they still stick to the Black Album, ''Load'' and ''ReLoad'' as far as Metallica is concerned..

While we know that Ifinity is flipping some stations to a new variant of Hot Talk, we've heard nothing about what they plan to do in Cleveland..has Rover made any sort of mention on air?
 
> Metallica's last album never moved the needle on Rock
> Radio..'MMS played a couple of cuts off ''St. Anger'', but
> they still stick to the Black Album, ''Load'' and ''ReLoad''
> as far as Metallica is concerned..

Yeah...pretty much cause their last album was....well.....eeeesh

I know that WMMS is technically considered a Rock/Active Rock station (I think they chart Rock). I'm just saying that as far as capturing a wider demo than their Classic Rock counterparts, they are doing what they need to do. They mix in a lot of Black Sabbath/Ozzy and AC/DC, been playing a lot more Led Zepplin lately, and I'm even starting to hear Pink Floyd, Rush, and Hendrix being thrown in. Would they have to include just a bit more "classic rock" in the mix to capture enough of that upper demo.....maybe...and depending on what Infinity does with WNCX, maybe that'll happen. Right now to me though WMMS sounds a lot more fresh and alive than WNCX or WONE and a big part of that in my opinion is that they effectively mix in rock from a lot of different eras.

Haven't been able to tune in....but judging from yes.net, something is definitely smelling like The End over at 92.3....and thus far its looking pretty good musically. <P ID="signature">______________
Ben Toplek
DJ/WBWC</P>
 
> I know that WMMS is technically considered a Rock/Active
> Rock station (I think they chart Rock). I'm just saying
> that as far as capturing a wider demo than their Classic
> Rock counterparts, they are doing what they need to do.
> They mix in a lot of Black Sabbath/Ozzy and AC/DC, been
> playing a lot more Led Zepplin lately, and I'm even starting
> to hear Pink Floyd, Rush, and Hendrix being thrown in.

WMMS was doing that in 1998-99 when I was there under then PD Tony "TNT" Tilford. Station sounded great then. It was a carbon of WEBN.

After Tilford left new PD Jim Trapp took the station in another direction. Bo Matthews seems to have righted the ship. I've visited Cleveland many times in the last few weeks. I want to listen to WMJI...but can't. Too painful. I always end up on WMMS. Station sounds tight all the way around. And I find myself "borrowing" some imaging verbage here and there to use on WXKR. Great stuph. Thanks Bo!


*Jacor took over fall of 1998*<P ID="signature">______________
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by bigwoody on 10/22/05 01:53 PM.</FONT></P>
 
> WMMS was doing that in 1998-99 when I was there under then
> PD Tony "TNT" Tilford. Station sounded great then. It was a
> carbon of WEBN.
>
> After Tilford left new PD Jim Trapp took the station in
> another direction. Bo Matthews seems to have righted the
> ship. I've visited Cleveland many times in the last few
> weeks. I want to listen to WMJI...but can't. Too painful. I
> always end up on WMMS. Station sounds tight all the way
> around. And I find myself "borrowing" some imaging verbage
> here and there to use on WXKR. Great stuph. Thanks Bo!
>
>
> *Jacor took over fall of 1998*
>

Thanks for the background info bigwoody....interesting stuff/insight. I remember the Jim Trapp era at WMMS...pretty boring/mediocre stuff....Bo's definitely brightened things up over there. Still I think I'm partial to the next gen. days of the buzzard with Gorman at the healm.....its a close call though...maybe its just sentimentality getting in the way.

BTW...isn't it kind of refreshing to see a discussion on this board take off that doesn't involve Q104 or Triv?? ;) Nate81...you may not like the harder rock, but if you need a break from that frustrating stuff happening over at Q, WTAM, or WKNR....maybe tune in the Buzzard, it might put you in a better mood :)<P ID="signature">______________
Ben Toplek
DJ/WBWC</P>
 
> > WMMS was doing that in 1998-99 when I was there under then
>
> > PD Tony "TNT" Tilford. Station sounded great then. It was
> a
> > carbon of WEBN.
> >
> > After Tilford left new PD Jim Trapp took the station in
> > another direction. Bo Matthews seems to have righted the
> > ship. I've visited Cleveland many times in the last few
> > weeks. I want to listen to WMJI...but can't. Too painful.
> I
> > always end up on WMMS. Station sounds tight all the way
> > around. And I find myself "borrowing" some imaging verbage
>
> > here and there to use on WXKR. Great stuph. Thanks Bo!
> >
> >
> > *Jacor took over fall of 1998*
> >
>
> Thanks for the background info bigwoody....interesting
> stuff/insight. I remember the Jim Trapp era at
> WMMS...pretty boring/mediocre stuff....Bo's definitely
> brightened things up over there. Still I think I'm partial
> to the next gen. days of the buzzard with Gorman at the
> healm.....its a close call though...maybe its just
> sentimentality getting in the way.
>
> BTW...isn't it kind of refreshing to see a discussion on
> this board take off that doesn't involve Q104 or Triv?? ;)
> Nate81...you may not like the harder rock, but if you need a
> break from that frustrating stuff happening over at Q, WTAM,
> or WKNR....maybe tune in the Buzzard, it might put you in a
> better mood :)
>

I was there with G-Man and NexGen, albeit from WMJI. I even sat in on a Murray Saul session, the first one when NexGen went up. ALL WMMS NexGen imaging was done at WMJI, on an Otari 8 track. Gorman wrote it and Mitch Todd produced it. It's all archived on dats somewhere at Oak Tree. I wish I'd of copied it. Great writing, which continued with the 1998-2000 Buzzard under Tilford. Mitch came back from WKRK/KRock Detroit to do the imaging. It was patterned after "EBN then. Tilford now doing great radio at WTUE/Dayton. It too is much like 'EBN, which if you're going to copy a mainstream rocker, that's the one to copy, IMHO. Promotions are big, talent is A-1 and the imaging/writing by Joel Moss makes it stand apart from the rest. It's not a lot of loud sfx. The writing carries it all.
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