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Smerconish To Unseat Limbaugh On WPHT?

DToTheJ said:
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"A very hot rumor out of Philadelphia has WYD Media-produced Michael Smerconish’s nationally syndicated program airing live 12:00 noon to 3:00 pm on CBS Radio’s news/talk WPHT– where Premiere Networks’ Rush Limbaugh does right now. Smerconish is currently delayed to PM drive on WPHT..."
1.) This whole thread has not been one of the more accurate on the boards. I think because it started out on the wrong foot. Smerconish is not unseating anybody. Premier moved the seat to another part of the bus. Smerconish is sitting down into a soon to be vacant chair.

2.) How can you guys be objective about this since most of you have admitted you don't like Rush to begin with? If you are going to be taken seriously in radio, you are going to have to look at this from the studio side of the mike. It ain't yo mama's radio. You are trying to get an audience. It also ain't yo iPod. It is why the license is to serve the public interest. As long as Rush continues to do that, and Michael Smerconish, they will both have jobs and the stations will have licenses.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
LLL said:
Smerconish is not "local". Sure, he's from Philly, but the content of his show is national...

Yet CBS issues a press release touting an "all-local" lineup coming soon... Who are they kidding?
 
DToTheJ said:
LLL said:
Smerconish is not "local". Sure, he's from Philly, but the content of his show is national...

Yet CBS issues a press release touting an "all-local" lineup coming soon... Who are they kidding?

no one, because on one outside this tiny community cares about the down-in-the-weeds details.
 
Re: Premiere Pulls Limbaugh From Hapless WPHT

badjef said:
This whole thread has not been one of the more accurate on the boards. I think because it started out on the wrong foot. Smerconish is not unseating anybody. Premier moved the seat to another part of the bus. Smerconish is sitting down into a soon to be vacant chair.

Exactly. That's what I was trying to say earlier in this thread.

Premiere dropped PHT as payback for PHT not renewing Beck and Hannity. Premiere's moving Limbaugh to a station that's willing to take several Premiere products means that PHT likely lost a bet that there was no place else for Premiere to put Limbaugh. Frankly, I'm surprised it took Premiere this long. PHT will now run Smerconish's syndicated talk show live in one of the lesser listened to time slots, and opposite Limbaugh. The listeners PHT retains after a new station debuts with Limbaugh and the pick of the Premiere talk litter, will at least presumably have a live PM drive show instead of canned Smerconish.

But this whole 'local' thing is just imaging - the 'local' hosts talk about the same national topics as the top syndicated hosts - just not as skillfully. They'll try to get the local Philly take on these issues, but really, who cares what a schlub in Philly is saying to Giordano vs what someone in Arizona is saying to Beck or Hannity? The Premiere station should clean up. For local events, people tune to KYW, not 1210.

How can you guys be objective about this since most of you have admitted you don't like Rush to begin with? If you are going to be taken seriously in radio, you are going to have to look at this from the studio side of the mike. It ain't yo mama's radio.
Right, and not just on this board. Look at all the hopeful 'Rush is toast' articles from the trades a month back to identify the partisan hacks vs the real radio commentators. Was there ever any serious doubt that this was anything more than manufactured outrage from bitter partisans? And the pieces about how Huckabee will somehow be a threat to Limbaugh, and how Cumulus stations will replace Limbaugh to save money. Lose money, maybe. All based on wishful thinking. Once you have a baseline on an issue we're familiar with as radio industry followers, you start to wonder how much of the other stuff we read is fabricated crap.

The only serious criticism I've seen is that talk radio's demos are old and not getting younger. This is largely true, and moving the same hosts over to FM won't in itself solve that problem. Also, Limbaugh won't be around forever, though I doubt he'll hang up the mic until his health fails or he simply expires. But with the world getting more partisan and the 'mainstream' press increasingly perceived as liberal, there will continue to be a market for conservative talk radio, and there are several younger hosts waiting in the wings of local and satellite radio to fill the pipeline.

Finally, will WIOQ object to the WWIQ calls? Talk to WBEN-FM, which somehow got those calls with permission from WBEN(AM) and WPEN.
 
Getting "permission" from WPEN wouldn't have been all that difficult, seeing as how it's a sister station.

But, really, what possible confusion would there be between a hit music station appealing to you ger people and a right Wii g talker appealing to those out casket shopping? :)
 
musichead1029 said:
Premiere dropped PHT as payback for PHT not renewing Beck and Hannity...

This is kinda like a reverse WDEL situation in nearby Wilmington, after WDEL refused to be forcefed Mark Levin from ABC, and chose to drop Sean Hannity... Of course, Hannity is now Premiere product.
 
with the world getting more partisan and the 'mainstream' press increasingly perceived as liberal, there will continue to be a market for conservative talk radio,

That "perception" that the "mainstream press" is being increasingly more liberal is mostly held by folks who spend a lot of time listening, and believing, what they hear on increasingly extreme partisan talk radio, and from partisan cable TV talking heads.

If you spend your life listening to echoes in a tunnel, you lose perspective on what the entire outside world sounds like.

And, if you keep turning your head farther to the right, even things in the true center start to appear far left to you.
 
Premiere Pulls Limbaugh From Hapless WPHT

imhomerjay said:
Getting "permission" from WPEN wouldn't have been all that difficult, seeing as how it's a sister station.
Ah, true. Forgot about the ownership. Can't hardly keep track anymore.

But, really, what possible confusion would there be between a hit music station appealing to younger people and a right wing talker?

Talker today, hot AC tomorrow, sports talker the next day. I guess CC could put a format clause in the call letter permission.


DToTheJ said:
musichead1029 said:
Premiere dropped PHT as payback for PHT not renewing Beck and Hannity...

This is kinda like a reverse WDEL situation in nearby Wilmington, after WDEL refused to be force-fed Mark Levin from ABC, and chose to drop Sean Hannity... Of course, Hannity is now Premiere product.
It'll be interesting to see how price-conscious Cumulus treats Levin, now their star product. If they try being stingy, I could see Levin following his buddy Hannity over to Premiere which likely would be glad to have him. Cumulus has already lost former WMAL Washington morning host Mary-Katherine Ham reportedly because they tried to get her to host a syndicated show without a producer or prep time before the show launched.


TimeIsTight said:
with the world getting more partisan and the 'mainstream' press increasingly perceived as liberal, there will continue to be a market for conservative talk radio,

That "perception" that the "mainstream press" is being increasingly more liberal is mostly held by folks who spend a lot of time listening, and believing, what they hear on increasingly extreme partisan talk radio, and from partisan cable TV talking heads.

It's kind of a Catch-22. Media consumers choose news and issues sources based on content that matches their sensibilities, that makes sense to them. The media sources (mainstream press included) hone in on their target audiences. New entries, like Fox News and the modern day MSNBC, chose to serve certain positions on the ideological scale through their commentary shows based on complaints from viewers that their political sensibilities weren't being addressed. Both significantly increased their audiences as a result. CNN, which insists it's right down the middle (according to someone's idea of the middle) is taking a bath ratings wise because by assuming, incorrectly, that they know where the center is, they end up serving no one well.

Talk radio has done the same, discovering that conservative talk radio resonates with a sizable audience. The questions are how to sell an older audience to advertisers (which is starting to happen) and how to build shows that appeal to a younger radio/internet audience.

If you spend your life listening to echoes in a tunnel, you lose perspective on what the entire outside world sounds like.

And, if you keep turning your head farther to the right, even things in the true center start to appear far left to you.
Most find a place on the political spectrum where they're comfortable, where things make sense. With some ideological views nearly 360 degrees in opposition to others, much of "the outside world" can sound like indecipherable gibberish. The problem comes when people believe that there are no overlap or compromise positions worthy of consideration. We've seen this in Congress and at the voting booths over the past 6 years. Maybe that's a position for CNN to stake out: more moderate arguments from both sides of the spectrum. The danger remains in where you draw the center line.

Some think the President is too far left, too far right or a moderate. You have to go to very different sources to see these views expressed, and they are all apparently genuine. From our positions on the ideological spectrum, it's usually difficult if not impossible to identify with all of those views.

Talk radio and other partisan media are simply reacting to that reality to attract dedicated audiences. And it works.
 
Re: Premiere Pulls Limbaugh From Hapless WPHT

musichead1029 said:
If you spend your life listening to echoes in a tunnel, you lose perspective on what the entire outside world sounds like.

And, if you keep turning your head farther to the right, even things in the true center start to appear far left to you.
Most find a place on the political spectrum where they're comfortable, where things make sense. With some ideological views nearly 360 degrees in opposition to others, much of "the outside world" can sound like indecipherable gibberish.

I know, I know. 180 degrees.
 
I don't think WIOQ will care now that diary use for ratings is gone. If those were still used IOQ would be throwing a fir.
 
I threw a fir once. It didn't go very far. ;)

But seeing as we're in an age a bit more modern than that antiquated system--at least in Philadelphia--there's no reason to assume they give a hoot.
 
imhomerjay said:
I threw a fir once. It didn't go very far. ;)

But seeing as we're in an age a bit more modern than that antiquated system--at least in Philadelphia--there's no reason to assume they give a hoot.

The thought that someone would take the opportunity to make a joke here made me bristle. ( ;D )
 
Here are the facts: Like it or not:

1. Conservative talk is the only form of talk that's successful. Air America and the likes of Ed Schultz, Randi Rhodes, and the like have been utter failures wherever they've been. Best example: Liberal blue collar Buffalo. On the 50K blowtorch 1520...failed miserably.

2. Being a moderate is even worse.

3. Rush, Hannity, Savage, and Beck are the top 4 shows based on listenership nationally. All should be on in Philadelphia. Levin should also be cleared on a better station.

4. The future of 1210? Good question. Maybe move WIP AM up there and sell 610.

5. Or could Clear Channel have something up their sleeve for 106.1? Stay tuned.


The PPM numbers don't lie, NPR- WHYY-FM is #12 and WPHT is #18 in Philly ratings. WIP-FM is getting better numbers than WPHT, but not as good as WHYY-FM. So the take away I'd get is Lib/NPR programming is bigger in Philly than Conservative talk or Sports Talk. Now I'd assume that during Eagles games WIP soars way past WHYY-FM, but apparently overall WHYY-FM is pulling in more ears than any of the other news/talk, sports/talk stations (WNTP, WIP-FM/AM, WPEN-FM/AM, WPHT).

Michael Smirconish is a moderate who's show may do better in a Philly market live than Rush. I guess time will tell in future PPM ratings for Philly - WWIQ vs WPHT. Now will either WWIQ or WPHT beat out WHYY-FM? Time will tell.
 
Now will either WWIQ or WPHT beat out WHYY-FM? Time will tell.

Comparing, NPR programming to partisan political talk, or even moderate one host and telephone talk, is really apples and oranges.

In drive time, WHYY is long-form in-depth news, the rest of the schedule is mostly issue oriented interviews with knowledgeable guests. Many in the audience tune in to learn something, or to be better informed on a wide range of topics never covered on commercial talk radio. It is conversation, not confrontation, and nobody is selling an agenda or ideology.

It really can't be compared to a "host" waking up every morning and scanning the headlines looking for three hours worth of material to get angry about on the radio. The whole idea is to work up the emotions of the audience to keep them listening so your advertisers can sell them something.

NPR is NOT a LIBERAL alternative to CONSERVATIVE talk, it is something else altogether, the audience is different, and the two aren't rivals.

As far as WPHT dumping Rush, don't forget Premier is owned by Clear Channel and its two biggest station owning rivals are CBS and Cumulus. You can understand CBS not wanting to let its biggest radio rival control the programming on its stations, while sucking a lot of revenue from them. That is also why Cumulus is starting the Huckabee show. It owns several of Rush's biggest affiliates, and doesn't like sharing the revenue with its big rival Clear Channel. It wants to keep the money generated by its stations to itself.

Then there is the increasing danger that a highly partisan Beck or Rush could do or say something that a company like CBS doesn't want to be attached to. They fired Imus in a heartbeat when that Rutgers name calling incident occurred. CBS has much more than its radio business image to worry about.

Even if Smerconish doesn't do as well as the rather unimpressive ratings showing of Rush in Philadelphia, his show may be more profitable for CBS, because it's cheaper to carry than Rush.
 
TimeIsTight: You make some good points, but to conservatives, YES NPR, to their ear, IS liberal. I don't think you'll find many "ditto heads" tuning in to NPR other than for possibly "Car Talk" on Saturday mornings.

I agree that the approach of NPR talk/informational programming is different than the rantings of Rush/Beck/Hannity. It also seems to be the case that the lib talkers like the Randi Rhodes, Ed Schutz, Bill Press, etc, don't seem to do as well vs their right wing counterparts. Of course in fairness to them, they generally end up on the second tier AM stations that don't cover their respective market as well as the Rush/Beck/Hannity talk stations.

I contend it is that generally speaking liberal audiences fit the NPR mold and prefer that style of talk/ informational/ in depth interviews to the "bull in a china shop" ranting approach of right wing radio. So in an odd way, YES NPR is in competition with Rush/Beck/Hannity and conservative talk radio. NPR is the place that moderates and liberals who want spoken word programming tend to tune.

You apparently have access to the more detailed Philly numbers than just the general 12+ PPM numbers as you mention Rush's unimpressive numbers in Philly. My guess is, Beck and Hannity's numbers and local spot revenue was even worse, probably why WPHT dropped them last year. Smirconish may not set the world on fire in Philly, but as you said, his show may be far more affordable to carry AND bring in even more local spot revenue than elRushbo. Who knows, with a live show during Limbaugh's time slot, Smirconish may pull in better PPM numbers than Rush, even with Rush moving to FM.

Blue counties may have a more difficult time selling folks like Rush, as the Wilmington market shows. Both WDEL and WILM (2 times) carried Rush. They got decent numbers, but neither station could sell Rush locally. The Wilmington Metro is a moderate to leaning left area so local businesses don't want their name assiciated with the likes of Rush/Beck/Hannity. WILM is a CC station so they've got Rush for the second time, and most local avails are PSA's, rather than local spots.

Interestingly, downstate Delaware in the two RED counties that have far smaller populations, both WDOV Dover and WGMD Rehoboth Beach seem to have less problems selling local spots during Limbaugh, whereas in blue New Castle County (Wilmington - WILM) its a tough go. So that too may be the same issue, even bigger, in Philly as it is a far larger market than Wilmington and may be a far bluer market than Wilmington. So yes, losing Rush, may be a good thing for Philly's WPHT.

So maybe the question should be, will the new 106.9 WWIQ be able to sell many local spots for Rush/Beck/Hannity? Sure they'll pull in listeners, but by what you said, nothing impressive, but will WWIQ be able to sell those shows? After all, the bottom line IS the bottom line.
 
imhomerjay said:
I threw a fir once. It didn't go very far. ;)
Your fir didn't go far because it didn't fit.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
to conservatives, YES NPR, to their ear, IS liberal. I don't think you'll find many "ditto heads" tuning in to NPR other than for possibly "Car Talk" on Saturday mornings.

That is exactly my point, if "ditto heads" would never tune into NPR, and regular NPR listeners avoid Rush like the plague than the stations are not in competition for the same audience any more than beautiful music stations, like WDVR or WWSH, were directly "competing" with Top-40 AMs like WFIL or WIBG back in the 60s or 70s. They have entirely different audiences, and just because one is up doesn't mean the other is down. I agree, one predictor of who goes where likely is political affiliation, but there are probably many other predictors including level of education, type of occupation etc. There are always exceptions, but NPR probably has more PhDs in its audience than Rush does.

The real competition for WPHT will be the new WWIQ, which will result in a kind of replay of the old WWDB, WCAU battles.

You apparently have access to the more detailed Philly numbers than just the general 12+ PPM numbers as you mention Rush's unimpressive numbers in Philly.

To be honest, I just have access to the 6+ PPM numbers like most of us here. If Rush's numbers were "impressive" CBS wouldn't be dumping his show. While the full-day ratings can't tell us how well an individual show is doing, an individual show can't have a better "cume" than the station cume. And there are 19 or 20 stations in the Philadelphia market with larger cumes than WPHT. While Rush may have some very loyal dittoheads who spend three-hours every day listening, for a full week they can't total more than 265,000 in a market of 4.5-million, and are probably far fewer. If Rush were really bringing lots of friends to the party, CBS would probably keep his show as a loss leader for the rest of the station.

Philadelphia is similar to other metro areas where the urban core is heavily Blue, and some of the surrounding suburban areas Red. It is likely WWIQ will find most of its new talk show audience, and possibly many of its advertisers, in the Red counties.

Clear Channel has gone a step further, than Merlin will be in Philly, by starting "Rush Radio" in Blue core markets like Boston, Pittsburgh and Raleigh-Durham. In Boston, possibly to avoid embarrassment, it's no longer called "Rush Radio" but it is still Conservative talk with Rush, Hannity, and Beck, among others. It has an average weekly cume of 90,000 listeners in a market of 4-million. While in Raleigh "Rush Radio" is on FM, and ranks #13. In Pittsburgh on FM, essentially the same lineup ranks #6.

Sure they'll pull in listeners, but by what you said, nothing impressive, but will WWIQ be able to sell those shows? After all, the bottom line IS the bottom line.

Just guessing, but WWIQ is mostly likely to do about as well in Philly, as FM "Rush Radio" does in Raleigh. That is below the top-10, but because of lower employee expenses it will have a much better shot at being quickly profitable than it would have had doing "all news." Most of the new station's potential listeners have been listening to WPHT, and the new station will divided and share that cume. It's not likely they will convert large numbers of NPR or music station listeners to move up the FM dial for Conservative talk for long. Still, they might see a way to duplicate the format's ratings success across the state in Pittsburgh, and have a real winner. We'll see!
 
MikefromDelaware said:
TimeIsTight: You make some good points, but to conservatives, YES NPR, to their ear, IS liberal. I don't think you'll find many "ditto heads" tuning in to NPR other than for possibly "Car Talk" on Saturday mornings.
To "ditto heads" CNN, and all mainstream media outside fox news is liberal. That doesn't make it true.
 
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