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Stream has not worked since last week - is the HD channel off as well? What's going on? :-\
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VERITAS DE VOCE
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There are so many reasons why I could cuss right now. But oh well, back to playing Queen's greatest hits. 8)
VERITAS DE VOCE said:
Caught in a landslide there, VDV? No escape from reality?
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a new development in the world of smooth jazz...oh, nope, sorry...nobody cares. Even the a/v team, the only people WITH HD radios don't listen to that garbage.
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VERITAS DE VOCE
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Talktalk said:
You know the funny thing, EVERY time the jazz aficionados gather in this forum and create a post... any post... you are in the minority; yet NO ONE cares about jazz?! Maybe if we began offering ways to make WRR more relevant and hip, you would just lift a leg on that too?
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VERITAS DE VOCE
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I have a dart board throw that says "The Edge" and "17... and a half" ;D
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Talktalk
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EXACTLY! Smooth Jazz is NOT Jazz...the words JAZZ AFFICIANADOS (sp) should NEVER be linked to SJ...that is why it doesn't work (except, for all you tee totalers, in a few limited markets). It doesn't fly in Dallas, and won't in the future...If it does come back (big mistake) it will be poorly rated, skew 55+ as well as have a high ethnic comp. That will be a tough sell, just like it was before.
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VERITAS DE VOCE
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Milton, you're right. So if you thought your trite response was going to rise our dander, not so much. I agree COMPLETELY that music wasn't TRUE jazz, but you know, it was serviceable for jazz. The days of the classic jazz trio and quartet are only mainstays in bars, taverns, university radio and my iPod. However, it's the vibe of the music. Nice brush on the drums, cool tenor sax (not that Alto crap of Kenny G and Najee), deep rhythmic strums on a double bass. You know, KOAI did play Connick and Diana Krall too.
Just imagine if my nourishing mother's radio station (English for Alma Mater for those of you scoring at home) were mainstream radio. It would go bust in a month. Now that would skew in geriatric range, but it would be fun while it lasted.
Point? Although SJ didn't cut the mustard here and classic jazz is completely different, stop whizzing all over a format because you don't like it. There are pros and cons to all formats, even the dreaded AC and CHR.
P.S. For aficionados, it is an appreciation of the music, not the butchering thereof. For every tune of The Rippingtons, there is a Joe Sample or Chick Corea. You can hate on the homogenizing of the music, but you can't ignore the talent of Chris Botti, Kirk Whalum, et al.
Just imagine if my nourishing mother's radio station (English for Alma Mater for those of you scoring at home) were mainstream radio. It would go bust in a month. Now that would skew in geriatric range, but it would be fun while it lasted.
Point? Although SJ didn't cut the mustard here and classic jazz is completely different, stop whizzing all over a format because you don't like it. There are pros and cons to all formats, even the dreaded AC and CHR.
P.S. For aficionados, it is an appreciation of the music, not the butchering thereof. For every tune of The Rippingtons, there is a Joe Sample or Chick Corea. You can hate on the homogenizing of the music, but you can't ignore the talent of Chris Botti, Kirk Whalum, et al.
I don't consider the original form of KOAI to be "elevator music". Sure it was primarily instrumentals, but it was a different style. If you want real "elevator music", you should visit KEOM's old music reel archives. We're talking selections like Percy Faith's "A Summer Place", and so on. Think KMEZ / KOAX.
KOAI introduced me to acts like Mannheim Steamroller, and spun selections from Hiroshima I had never heard before (and I don't mean "One Wish"). KOAI was in essence "New Age", and sadly it morphed into soft AC.
"This Is It" from Kenny Loggins is "Smooth Jazz"? If you believe that, I have some beachfront property in Tennessee to sell you.
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KOAI introduced me to acts like Mannheim Steamroller, and spun selections from Hiroshima I had never heard before (and I don't mean "One Wish"). KOAI was in essence "New Age", and sadly it morphed into soft AC.
"This Is It" from Kenny Loggins is "Smooth Jazz"? If you believe that, I have some beachfront property in Tennessee to sell you.
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When a station "morphs" and goes from being a new age to an elevator music format, THAT you can WHIZ on. Like I have said, no less than 2 times in recent posts...if someone wants to come out of the box with a new spin on the jazz presentation with names like Monk, Dizzy, Duke, Charlie Parker, Davis, Coltrane, Joe Henderson, Art Blakey...now we are talkin. You have a unique and marketable product where the limited listenership would attract high end advertisers...
But, therein lies the rub...then you non-commIES are out of a job...
But, therein lies the rub...then you non-commIES are out of a job...
Talktalk said:
Hmmmm... Rough Jazz maybe?
My "job" is more than just spinning music. I have production duties, I produce our high school sports remotes, etc etc etc...
You wanted to know why I like working for non-comms? JOB SECURITY! It's up there at the top of the list, along with doing what I love to do, and giving something to the community in the process.
My job is more than just a paycheck every two weeks. Way more!
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(Ecstatically employed at KEOM since 1990)
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Actually, it's "chunky" jazz, thank you very much. The anti-sj...and robert, my man, you just summed it up for me...you like the "job security", "a paycheck every 2 weeks", you don't care that your product is gimicky at best...and that is fine You don't WANT to come out into the real world, no problem...just don't pretend like you know what is going on.
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VERITAS DE VOCE
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<<VDV wonders to himself, "Where in the hell is PLEX during good times like these">>
Talk, I'll give it to you. If I was looking for the lowest common denominator in someone's speech, I would have probably come to the same conclusion. Heck, for all I know, you are the type that reads the Bible and says, "See there pa. I knew it. It says, 'SUBMIT', now where is that big-mouthed woman of mine."
How long have you been in corporate radio anyway? Ever been fired? How about in the middle of a buyout? Just in case you were wondering, stuff like that always happens in "real world" radio. Folk in non-coms wouldn't know that if they didn't experience it first. Jacob M. Braude once said, "There's no fool like an old fool - you can't beat experience."
Um, consider some of us old fools and others of us yet to age... at least in the real world.
Talk, I'll give it to you. If I was looking for the lowest common denominator in someone's speech, I would have probably come to the same conclusion. Heck, for all I know, you are the type that reads the Bible and says, "See there pa. I knew it. It says, 'SUBMIT', now where is that big-mouthed woman of mine."
How long have you been in corporate radio anyway? Ever been fired? How about in the middle of a buyout? Just in case you were wondering, stuff like that always happens in "real world" radio. Folk in non-coms wouldn't know that if they didn't experience it first. Jacob M. Braude once said, "There's no fool like an old fool - you can't beat experience."
Um, consider some of us old fools and others of us yet to age... at least in the real world.
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Talktalk
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it has also been said that ignorance is bliss...and my man, you are a blissfull "old fool". Don't tell me about longevity, corporate radio or experience, I have far more than I need for this discussion. And, like it or not, if one speaks in lowest common denominators, one could expect to be understood in lowest common denominators, you are a perfect example of that.
The biblical thing doesn't deserve a response because it is a terrible example, and doesn't apply to our conversation here...bring it up again when the issue of censorship as it pertains to intent of free speech, then you might have something.
I have no issue with you old fools, just to preech like you know what is happening out there. Robert thinks his little station is competing with major market stations. He thinks people care about high school activities and garage sales, and DISCO on the radio...if he were in the real world, he would know that it is not about job security, it is about innovation, something he knows nothing about (not an assumption)
The biblical thing doesn't deserve a response because it is a terrible example, and doesn't apply to our conversation here...bring it up again when the issue of censorship as it pertains to intent of free speech, then you might have something.
I have no issue with you old fools, just to preech like you know what is happening out there. Robert thinks his little station is competing with major market stations. He thinks people care about high school activities and garage sales, and DISCO on the radio...if he were in the real world, he would know that it is not about job security, it is about innovation, something he knows nothing about (not an assumption)
Talktalk said:
I am not pretending anything. Enough with the assumptions already...
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The fact remains, there is a fundemetal difference between the real world of commercial radio and the "listener supported", government supported world of the non-com. The fact reamains, those "lifers" employed at non-coms with their "job security" working for the paycheck every two weeks, are not dealing in the real world of revenue and rating expectations.
That IS the fact, Robert. And everytime a VDV, or you claim to understand the world in which we operate, you do so without any frame of reference. In essence, it is VERY easy to say something like, "The Telcom Act is responsible for ruining radio" or "Corporate Radio is jamming thier crap down our throats", in reality, you are posing as an educated broadcaster. Someone posing as an "insider" doesn't know the internal dynamics that lead to certain decisions...as you don't....
That IS the fact, Robert. And everytime a VDV, or you claim to understand the world in which we operate, you do so without any frame of reference. In essence, it is VERY easy to say something like, "The Telcom Act is responsible for ruining radio" or "Corporate Radio is jamming thier crap down our throats", in reality, you are posing as an educated broadcaster. Someone posing as an "insider" doesn't know the internal dynamics that lead to certain decisions...as you don't....
Robert Bass said:I don't consider the original form of KOAI to be "elevator music". Sure it was primarily instrumentals, but it was a different style. If you want real "elevator music", you should visit KEOM's old music reel archives. We're talking selections like Percy Faith's "A Summer Place", and so on. Think KMEZ / KOAX.
KOAI introduced me to acts like Mannheim Steamroller, and spun selections from Hiroshima I had never heard before (and I don't mean "One Wish"). KOAI was in essence "New Age", and sadly it morphed into soft AC.
"This Is It" from Kenny Loggins is "Smooth Jazz"? If you believe that, I have some beachfront property in Tennessee to sell you.
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True Dat RB....
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