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SMOOTH JAZZ IS RESURRECTED IN SEATTLE
- Thread starter discjockeyjohn64
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Hey I've got a wild and unique idea.. If SJ is being carried on a local station HD signal, then why not trot your caboose down to the local electronics retailer and (wait for it...) actually BUY yourself an HD radio? Either that or make Entercom an offer to buy one of their FM stations and program all the smooth jazz your heart desires.
Why didn't I think of that before? Lol, of course I did, but why simulcast a full power fm signal on a translator that is inside the main stations coverage area? KMTT and the translator are located about 15 miles from each other, and KMTT is almost a full power station. The only place I could see a translator like that is if there's a hill in the way and the owner doesn't have the money to build a full power station on top of that hill to cover the area.
Bob, come on now.. Don't you think it's just a little bit silly, to assume a company will "give up" one of their translators so YOU don't have to part with $50? That and I don't believe running alternate programming other than what's on the main station, is allowed on a translator for commercial stations if licensed to the station. Although some of the experts familiar with translators could chime in. To your point, it would be like owning a second station.
Say, you wouldn't happen to be related to Lonely Summer would you?
Say, you wouldn't happen to be related to Lonely Summer would you?
FMSteve said:
Hey, kid in the back row. Yeah, GURU. Yes, you. Pull up your desk to the front, near the blackboard. And put away those Pop Rocks. Radio Law class is now in session. I just stated in an earlier post (see above) that it's perfectly legal to rebroadcast an HD multicast channel on an analog FM Translator. Let me read you for the record what the Commission said, verbatim: "In contrast, there is no prohibition on FM Translator stations rebroadcasting the station's FM2 or FM3 digital programming stream." (see page 3, top paragraph, 2nd to the last sentence in DA 10-764. Also, see the 2007 Digital Audio Broadcasting Second Report and Order.)
As for your thoughts regarding simply buying an HD Radio, there has to be a concerted effort by the broadcasters to push this new digital frontier and an FM Translator located in the central, downtown metro is the perfect place for listeners to sample the format and push the new medium. In point of fact KUOW is doing just that broadcasting KXOT programming on KUOW HD2 and cross-branding the signals.
You can carry an HD signal on a translator? Hey, I'm not an engineer but understand that concept, :
. Your attempt at schooling me is all well and good boys, but I believe what Bob had in mind was to put the unique programming currently carried on the HD 2 or whatever of that station, as the primary signal on the translator not a secondary digital one. Go back and read his post again. The point was Bob didn't want to purchase an HD radio in which to hear the SJ format, but instead suggested it be carried on the translator.
Again, whereas I get that the commission allows fill-in of a signal provided the fill-in is of the complete signal, carrying alternate programming exclusively on the translator which does not match the main signal I don't believe is permitted.
. Your attempt at schooling me is all well and good boys, but I believe what Bob had in mind was to put the unique programming currently carried on the HD 2 or whatever of that station, as the primary signal on the translator not a secondary digital one. Go back and read his post again. The point was Bob didn't want to purchase an HD radio in which to hear the SJ format, but instead suggested it be carried on the translator.Again, whereas I get that the commission allows fill-in of a signal provided the fill-in is of the complete signal, carrying alternate programming exclusively on the translator which does not match the main signal I don't believe is permitted.
These guys got it. Cumulus is doing the same thing in Atlanta and in Harrisburg as the proposal here. The only difference I can see here is that Entercom would have to change the translator's input signal with the fcc to rebroadcast KKWF. Also, it's not that I don't want to purchase an hd radio, but I think it would be a better use for the translator.
There are many radio markets where the HD formats are being broadcast on translators. I used to DJ in Salt Lake City. There is an FM 99.5 there that broadcasts HOT AC in SLC, they have a translator for Utah County to the south that originally broadcast the HOT AC programming on simulcast. About 18 months ago, they started running the programming that 99.5 FM HD2 was running, "Classic Country." It is the same format that runs on Tacoma's KNBQ FM 102.9 HD 2. This translator pulled a 1.3 share in the last trend in the SLC market. I was floored, but it does happen and since the translator is basically only heard in one county of the four county metro, that is the equivalent of a 5.2 share.
I wish you could go back and edit previous posts, but I haven't been able to figure out how. Anyway, I stand corrected, the share for KJMY FM HD 2 in the Salt Lake City market is .9, but a cume audience of 68,600 weekly listeners. When you consider Utah County's (Provo, Orem, Spanish Fork, Lehi, Pleasant Grove) overall population is close to 550,000 and they are the only ones who can listen to the translator at FM 99.1 due to the mountain in the way between Salt Lake City and Utah County, this is the equivalent of 12.5% of the county tuning into this FM translator with HD2 programming each week. That is truly astonishing. One now wonders what would happen if KKWF 100.7 HD2 (smooth jazz) was actually programmed on 103.3 FM, the translator in question of KMTT 103.7??
discjockeyjohn64 said:
FYI ... I think you have something like 30 minutes after the post is made to go in and change it.
discjockeyjohn64 said:
The answer to your question is that Entercom would do quite well running the HD2 on 103.3 FM. However, their tower location sucks on top of Met Plaza. Though they run 250 watts, they don't cover Bellevue. They should move it to Capital Hill or the top of Queen Anne Hill, in my opinion.
HD radio is a waste. Just think of it as the latest incarnation of AM Stereo. Now there was a winner!
mightymoose said:
I love HD radio. I'm listening to it right now. It's not a waste at all. I just want to add that I should have been kinder to WMJX HD2.
Sometimes they play a few sappy songs, but generally they are good. I get in the mood for different types of jazz. It's like peanut butter, smooth, chunky, and
super chunky.
First of all, sorry for the triple post.
I just read that a new on line station has started http://www.smoothinseattle.com/
Started by Carol Handley from KWJZ.
I hope that KKWF HD2 goes on line, because the Boston Smooth Jazz station WMJX HD2 is simply awful.
I just read that a new on line station has started http://www.smoothinseattle.com/
Started by Carol Handley from KWJZ.
I hope that KKWF HD2 goes on line, because the Boston Smooth Jazz station WMJX HD2 is simply awful.
mightymoose said:
HD Radio (on FM) had potential when it first came out (you still hear about it in the promos for these things.) But when it came to REALLY making something of that, not many of these radio conglomerates bothered much beyond mostly lame syndicated/automated feeds of whatever.
That's why it never took off. It didn't live up to the hype. People had expectations - including REAL "HD" sound quality. Even though that particular art has LONG disappeared from the commercial recording industry itself.
If government had mandated ALL new FM radios to have HD at the time it was unleashed, I think it would have gone much further (even with the mediocre stuff.) At least the common people knew it was there. And from that point, things could have really developed for it.....
I could sit here and bitch about how indifferently on all levels AM Stereo was treated until it's mandated simply just to shut me up......
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Bongwater said:
HD Radio didn't take off because of several other reasons that you didn't mention. But if you feel it's just because of "The Man," then so be it.
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