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So how did Evansville manage to avoid getting a Religious Non Com?

It is interesting to me and to a lot of people. Seems like every place in the Midwest/Plains has a non com signal that is religious oriented. Even the big cities like St Louis, Louisville, Indianapolis and Chicago have a non com signal devoted to something christian. Yet, Evansville, which many of you do describe as a "Bible belt town" has avoided having one of it's non coms devoted to the religious broadcasting people.

How is that Evansville never got one of those? Were NPR, Vanderbergh Schools, and UE that good at securing space over the Pat Robertsons/EMF propeganda? Or did the preachers just never really try to get a frequency below 92(other then the Catholic people that tried to acquire 91.5)?

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>OK.....If you look at the license for 101.5 mHz / Fort Branch and its owner, "Thy Word" network, you will see they had the license re-assigned to NON-COMMERCIAL a few years back... So, Evansville does have a "NON-COM" Inspirational/Teaching format on 101.5 FM and they have full-powered satellite FM stations that take a feed from 101.5 FM...91.7 mHz in Albion/Mt.Carmel/Fairfield areas....And, they have 88.7 mHz in Loogootee, Indiana that will be upgraded (with possible slight changes to DA, maybe) to cover the Vincennes/Washington/Jasper-Huntingburg areas.... They filed to make the license of 101.5 FM, non-com so they could network and simulcast with the other two FM's on the non-com band and also, they never sold any ad time or do not sell underwriting.. They are 100% listener and national Ministry supported.. They target Evangelicals in the 35 and up range...

Also note, that "The Jesus First Network" near Indy has a highly directional FM at 90.1 mHz and licensed to Wadesville (15 minutes from Evansville's West Side)....It is sooooo directional, that the marketable signal dies over the Posey/Vanderburgh County Line and is not marketable to Evansville proper... They are Christian AC in mono and take a low KB stream feed from 88.1 FM near Indy (Morristown, I think)....

Christian Fellowship Church has a 100 watt LPFM that is only 91 above average terrain, due to being right next to the Airport... It hurts their footprint as alot of the radiation goes right into McCutchanville ridge and Oak Hill ridge..
It is running as "Y-102.7" and carrying the WAY-FM network with only a local Saturday morning kid's thing and no promotional impact on the metro, as they do not stream and only promote an occasional concert at their large Church...

WYIR-LPFM is at 96.9 mHz and is "Theocratic" in it's mission... Alternative and New Rock from both the secular/mainstream charts and Christian Rock charts and is streamed and promoted through a coffee house venue (non-profit) in downtown Evansville.. The HAAT is about 130 feet and they lowered the wattage for extra height and cover about 200,000 to 250,000 persons living under their 40 to 35 dBU signal of only 58 watts.. Major 'crawling' the first year and today having problems with their 128 KB stream from the studio to tower...Major web success and have some local 'off the wall' shows along with the automated approach of 'Anti-Radio-Radio'.....Let the song end...Element...Let the song begin...
Only major problem is inversion from WDDJ in Paducah (down river) on about two days a month...'DDJ is 100 kW on the co-channel and chops it up in certain weather changes... Very loyal underground audience....

WVHI-AM is supposed to be 5kW day and 1kW-DA at night.. Right now, neither! Running between 50 and 70% power... And is sounds like they are not doing DA after dark... A mess... Paid Programming and now a couple of hours at night of the Christian version of Delilah....With their horrible night signal, who is listening???? Can't get them on set night pattern over the East Side merchant locations (Mall and growth area) and Warrick County (high rent suburban area)... They are loosing monthly paid program support as they do not stream and their pay per play cost is high... Needs lots of work to turn the tide..

WGAB-AM is a whopper of a signal for 670 watts on a clear channel (not company, but frequency)...They are at 1180 kHz and licensed to Newburgh... They are conservative Gospel music and teaching with a very loyal audience and though only 1 watt at night, it covers Newburgh and Evansville's far East Side in cars at night... They have a large internet listenership, as well... Though very narrow on their format and cultural style, they have the best sounding audio in the AM market and their solid state Harris is a gem....They are looking down the road to the new Kinstar system (seeing how the DA tests do).. They could get a lease on some land NE of Newburgh and go DA at night, sell their current site in Newburgh proper (for residential prices) and it would pay for the changes.. They could get DA night coverage over Newburgh/Evansville and Henderson....Only Boonville (NE of them) would be out of kilter and in WHAM's dominance....
 
And then there was 105.3 WVHI. With all due respect, I suspect our moderator is too young to remember Evansville radio prior to the 1983 WVHI/WKKR swap that moved Christian FM WVHI to 1330 AM and resulted in country on FM as WYNG-105. Skip, do you recall just how long 105.3 had aired Christian prior to the move? Could 105.3's Christian radio presence have resulted in little to no interest in establishing a competing FM as those 88-92 noncoms were assigned in Evansville FM's early days?
 
> And then there was 105.3 WVHI. With all due respect, I
> suspect our moderator is too young to remember Evansville
> radio prior to the 1983 WVHI/WKKR swap that moved Christian
> FM WVHI to 1330 AM and resulted in country on FM as
> WYNG-105. Skip, do you recall just how long 105.3 had aired
> Christian prior to the move? Could 105.3's Christian radio
> presence have resulted in little to no interest in
> establishing a competing FM as those 88-92 noncoms were
> assigned in Evansville FM's early days?
>

Well, yes, I would have been 6 at the time WVHI-FM was running and thus moved, so certainly I wasn't in a radio state of mind, yet. That of course started to happen when I was 12.

You probably bring up a good point. Back when all these stations were being assigned, prehaps the fact that VHI was on FM had a bunch of people say "well Evansville already has a Religious FM, so we don't need to go there" Nobody of course could have seen the future and such, so that is that.

Is there still a way for someone like K-Love(EMF) or someone like that to nudge a Class A in at, say 89.9 or somewhere like that? Not that I want one by any means(I prefer a WEOA-FM, but that's not gonna happen this year), but I'm sure E-Ville Christians would be clamoring for someone to get a CCM in Evansville.
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Could 105.3's Christian radio
> presence have resulted in little to no interest in
> establishing a competing FM as those 88-92 noncoms were
> assigned in Evansville FM's early days?
>
Yes....That is a great conclusion as the Cagles had to file and wait many years for their Docket 80-90 drop-in for Fort Branch and our succesful Inspirational FM / WBGW.....
 
> Is there still a way for someone like K-Love(EMF) or someone
> like that to nudge a Class A in at, say 89.9 or somewhere
> like that? Not that I want one by any means(I prefer a
> WEOA-FM, but that's not gonna happen this year), but I'm
> sure E-Ville Christians would be clamoring for someone to
> get a CCM in Evansville.

On the asked issue of 'catagorizing' Catholic and Protestant versions of Christian programming, I think the community here has been served as well as it can by what we've had... The Catholic Business Group (who with the blessing of the Bishop) are just looking into the future possibility of that they could serve their Doctrine and view to a very underserved portion of our greater Christian Community... Just as the 12 to 44 demos lack a strong Contemporary Hit format that would appeal to both Evangelicals and Renew movement Catholics... This metro is very unified in Christ Centered Activity... Much 'more so' than it was between the 40's and the late 60's... We are a strong united group, (not all, but a large portion)and tend to have 'more in common', and seek our efforts in a mostly unified Mission....
 
> And then there was 105.3 WVHI. With all due respect, I
> suspect our moderator is too young to remember Evansville
> radio prior to the 1983 WVHI/WKKR swap that moved Christian
> FM WVHI to 1330 AM and resulted in country on FM as
> WYNG-105. Skip, do you recall just how long 105.3 had aired
> Christian prior to the move? Could 105.3's Christian radio
> presence have resulted in little to no interest in
> establishing a competing FM as those 88-92 noncoms were
> assigned in Evansville FM's early days?
>

Evansville wasn't blessed with allocations. If you look at the paperwork 88.3, 90.7, 91.5, 104.1, 105.3 and 107.5 are licensed to Evansville. The rest of the FM signals in these parts are licensed to adjacent communities.

It's worth mentioning Evansville was an early recipient of an FM license. WMLL was the FM side of WGBF. It started in the original FM band at 44.5 MHz and migrated to the current FM band landing at 94.5MHz. WMLL began operation in 1942 and remained on the air until the mid-fifties when the owners felt FM had no future and turned in the license. The equipment was donated to EVSC or UE (calling Skip to fill in the blanks). Long story short, either WPSR or WUEV is a descendent of WMLL.

The original WVHI signed on in the mid-sixties (too lazy to dig out a radio year book). The format swap between 1330 and 105.3 happened was more convenience than anything else. The frequency of 105.3 was purchased and new owners created "Country Fresh WYNG 105". In the meantime, 1330AM was two years into a country format as WKKR and unable to compete against heritage Country station WROZ (before and after WEOA). With new Country competition on FM the decision was made to pick up the WVHI call letters and continue the religious programming.
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My thought is, what do you mean by the Pat Robertson/EMF propaganda?

> How is that Evansville never got one of those? Were NPR,
> Vanderbergh Schools, and UE that good at securing space over
> the Pat Robertsons/EMF propeganda?
> Would love to hear your thoughts on this.
 
> My thought is, what do you mean by the Pat Robertson/EMF
> propaganda?
>
>

I think you already know the answer to that one. It's simply a matter of most of these "so called religious stations" actually using their frequencies to spew a bunch of political propaganda rather then just straight up preaching about the word of god. I realize not all preachers/artists are that way, but a good number of them are.

I realize Religious Radio has a place, but most of it is commercial even if they don't air commercials and thus should not waste the space from 88.1 to 91.9 which is reserved as non commercial and was meant to be Learning based Frequencies(ie University and school owned frequencies.) Sadly, both the left and right have taken these frequencies(Pacifica is just as bad).
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> > My thought is, what do you mean by the Pat Robertson/EMF propaganda?

> I think you already know the answer to that one.

I think that your curt response reveals your anti-religion bias. And you're a board moderator?

> It's simply a matter of most of these "so called religious stations"
> actually using their frequencies to spew a bunch of political propaganda
> rather then just straight up preaching about the word of god.

Would you use the term "propaganda" if the preachers were political liberals?

> I realize not all preachers/artists are that way, but a good number of them
> are.

Even IF that were true, so what?

> I realize Religious Radio has a place, but most of it is commercial even if
> they don't air commercials and thus should not waste the space from 88.1 to
> 91.9 which is reserved as non commercial.......

Many Christian radio stations are commercial stations, located above 91.9 FM. Some Christian stations, such as Moody's WGNR-FM at 97.9, are on a commercial frequency but make the choice to be listener-supported. In addition, listening to NPR stations located between 88 and 92 FM, one has heard for many, many years how "commercial" noncommercial NPR stations really are.
 
> I realize Religious Radio has a place, but most of it is
> commercial even if they don't air commercials and thus
> should not waste the space from 88.1 to 91.9 which is
> reserved as non commercial and was meant to be Learning
> based Frequencies(ie University and school owned
> frequencies.) Sadly, both the left and right have taken
> these frequencies(Pacifica is just as bad).
>


Yeah and how "learning based" is the Satellite Fed NPR Stations that litter the 88.1-91.9 specturm (some full powered just rebroadcasting another station) that are nothing but automated programming fed from NR in DC that students of those universities cant even intern at! One could say those univeristies just own those FM's for another source of $$$$$ in their pockets, since most are run mostly automated.

You can say the "Religious radio" folks are bad, but unforutally the college and univeristy owned FM stations that are non-com are doing the same stuff those relgious broadcasters are doing just preaching to a different chior.

I have nothing against NPR satellators but their techincally on the same ground as the Christian Owned broadcaters. Every station has its purpose, even if it's not in your personal tastes.

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> Yeah and how "learning based" is the Satellite Fed NPR
> Stations that litter the 88.1-91.9 specturm (some full
> powered just rebroadcasting another station) that are
> nothing but automated programming fed from NR in DC that
> students of those universities cant even intern at! One
> could say those univeristies just own those FM's for another
> source of $$$$$ in their pockets, since most are run mostly
> automated.
>
> You can say the "Religious radio" folks are bad, but
> unforutally the college and univeristy owned FM stations
> that are non-com are doing the same stuff those relgious
> broadcasters are doing just preaching to a different chior.
>
> I have nothing against NPR satellators but their techincally
> on the same ground as the Christian Owned broadcaters.
> Every station has its purpose, even if it's not in your
> personal tastes.

I beg to differ - and yes, I'm biased, since I work part-time for our local NPR affiliate here in Rochester, N.Y. (And my wife worked for WBNI in Fort Wayne many years ago, so there's the Hoosier connection.)

Historically, the "educational" in "non-commercial educational" referred to the programming on the station, not to whatever learning process was or was not going on behind the scenes. Colleges and universities have been broadcast licensees since the very beginning of the medium (indeed, WHA at the University of Wisconsin in Madison has a very valid claim to being one of the very first radio stations in America), and their motives for owning stations have always extended beyond merely offering educational programs for their students. Many of the land-grant public universities in the Midwest were pioneers, decades before NPR, in using their radio stations as extension tools to bring informational talks and even live classroom broadcasts to outlying communities. WBAA at Purdue has a long, proud history in this respect, as does WILL at the University of Illinois.

In most cases, the university-owned stations these days are most emphatically NOT profit centers for the schools that own them. WILL, for instance, receives just 21% of its funding from the university, primarily in the form of physical facilities, with listeners, underwriters and CPB support making up the bulk of its budget. And as nonprofit entities, they don't return anything to the university coffers. The movement in recent years has been for stations to become separate nonprofit entities from their university licensees.

There is, to my mind, a very real difference between most public radio stations and most of the big national religious broadcasters. At WXXI, our AM station carries lots of NPR programming, to be sure, but with a very strong local component. About a third of the airtime in "Morning Edition" is local, for instance, with local news at the top and bottom of each hour and extended cutaways for longer reports from our local reporters and from our state capital reporter in Albany. We have a two-hour local talk show weekdays at noon, and we provide live coverage of local events. We have one of only two radio newsrooms in the market, and we're often the only radio station in town covering local political news. Our FM station is classical 24 hours a day, with live local announcers from 6 AM until 8 PM. While some of our listeners' donations pay for the national programming, the majority of it pays for our local operations. Those dollars stay in town and are spent right here in the community. (And we do have an active internship program that brings students into our facilities to assist in all aspects of our operations, even though we're not a university licensee.)

By contrast, we have full-power stations in town licensed to Family Stations, EMF ("K-Love") and to Jimmy Swaggart's Family Worship Center. There is literally zero local programming on any of those three stations, save for a few community calendar announcements on K-Love. Everything else comes from Oakland, Sacramento or Baton Rouge. The K-Love station has one local staffer whose primary duty is promotion. I don't believe there's anyone local at all at the Swaggart or Family stations. I don't see how these stations can be considered even remotely similar to what we do at WXXI. (There is also, in fairness, a chain of religious stations based about 50 miles from here, with a dozen or so signals spread across western and central New York and northern Pennsylvania, which provides a reasonable amount of local and regional programming.)

There's also, I think, a difference in attitude between what we do and what the religious broadcasters do. While we may not always live up to the ideal, our goal is and has always been to serve everyone in our community, without promoting any specific ideology or belief. That, obviously, is not and cannot be the purpose of a religious broadcaster. By definition, their broadcasts exclude a certain portion of the community. But the FCC says they qualify to be noncommercial educational licensees, too, and it allows them to program stations from the other side of the country with essentially no local involvement. I think that's a mistake, but the die was cast long ago in that fight.<P ID="signature">______________
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> > Yeah and how "learning based" is the Satellite Fed NPR
> > Stations that litter the 88.1-91.9 specturm (some full
> > powered just rebroadcasting another station) that are
> > nothing but automated programming fed from NR in DC that
> > students of those universities cant even intern at! One
> > could say those univeristies just own those FM's for
> another
> > source of $$$$$ in their pockets, since most are run
> mostly
> > automated.
> >
> > You can say the "Religious radio" folks are bad, but
> > unforutally the college and univeristy owned FM stations
> > that are non-com are doing the same stuff those relgious
> > broadcasters are doing just preaching to a different
> chior.
> >
> > I have nothing against NPR satellators but their
> techincally
> > on the same ground as the Christian Owned broadcaters.
> > Every station has its purpose, even if it's not in your
> > personal tastes.
>
> I beg to differ - and yes, I'm biased, since I work
> part-time for our local NPR affiliate here in Rochester,
> N.Y. (And my wife worked for WBNI in Fort Wayne many years
> ago, so there's the Hoosier connection.)
>
> Historically, the "educational" in "non-commercial
> educational" referred to the programming on the station, not
> to whatever learning process was or was not going on behind
> the scenes. Colleges and universities have been broadcast
> licensees since the very beginning of the medium (indeed,
> WHA at the University of Wisconsin in Madison has a very
> valid claim to being one of the very first radio stations in
> America), and their motives for owning stations have always
> extended beyond merely offering educational programs for
> their students. Many of the land-grant public universities
> in the Midwest were pioneers, decades before NPR, in using
> their radio stations as extension tools to bring
> informational talks and even live classroom broadcasts to
> outlying communities. WBAA at Purdue has a long, proud
> history in this respect, as does WILL at the University of
> Illinois.
>
> In most cases, the university-owned stations these days are
> most emphatically NOT profit centers for the schools that
> own them. WILL, for instance, receives just 21% of its
> funding from the university, primarily in the form of
> physical facilities, with listeners, underwriters and CPB
> support making up the bulk of its budget. And as nonprofit
> entities, they don't return anything to the university
> coffers. The movement in recent years has been for stations
> to become separate nonprofit entities from their university
> licensees.
>
> There is, to my mind, a very real difference between most
> public radio stations and most of the big national religious
> broadcasters. At WXXI, our AM station carries lots of NPR
> programming, to be sure, but with a very strong local
> component. About a third of the airtime in "Morning Edition"
> is local, for instance, with local news at the top and
> bottom of each hour and extended cutaways for longer reports
> from our local reporters and from our state capital reporter
> in Albany. We have a two-hour local talk show weekdays at
> noon, and we provide live coverage of local events. We have
> one of only two radio newsrooms in the market, and we're
> often the only radio station in town covering local
> political news. Our FM station is classical 24 hours a day,
> with live local announcers from 6 AM until 8 PM. While some
> of our listeners' donations pay for the national
> programming, the majority of it pays for our local
> operations. Those dollars stay in town and are spent right
> here in the community. (And we do have an active internship
> program that brings students into our facilities to assist
> in all aspects of our operations, even though we're not a
> university licensee.)
>
> By contrast, we have full-power stations in town licensed to
> Family Stations, EMF ("K-Love") and to Jimmy Swaggart's
> Family Worship Center. There is literally zero local
> programming on any of those three stations, save for a few
> community calendar announcements on K-Love. Everything else
> comes from Oakland, Sacramento or Baton Rouge. The K-Love
> station has one local staffer whose primary duty is
> promotion. I don't believe there's anyone local at all at
> the Swaggart or Family stations. I don't see how these
> stations can be considered even remotely similar to what we
> do at WXXI. (There is also, in fairness, a chain of
> religious stations based about 50 miles from here, with a
> dozen or so signals spread across western and central New
> York and northern Pennsylvania, which provides a reasonable
> amount of local and regional programming.)
>
> There's also, I think, a difference in attitude between what
> we do and what the religious broadcasters do. While we may
> not always live up to the ideal, our goal is and has always
> been to serve everyone in our community, without promoting
> any specific ideology or belief. That, obviously, is not and
> cannot be the purpose of a religious broadcaster. By
> definition, their broadcasts exclude a certain portion of
> the community. But the FCC says they qualify to be
> noncommercial educational licensees, too, and it allows them
> to program stations from the other side of the country with
> essentially no local involvement. I think that's a mistake,
> but the die was cast long ago in that fight.
>

One way to fix the Swaggart's and EMF's of the world would be to quit granting the main studio waivers that are allowing them to run stations with just a sat dish and computer.
 
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