I don;'t get back to the hub much anymore. In fact I left for Amherst at the start of the decade. WBCN was breathing its dying breath. O&A had just been cancelled and they didn't have afternoon jocks the last time I listened with any regularity. How are do the Toucher and Rick guys sound? Are they still playing way too much Ozzy? Have they been able to cope with the loss of Howard Stern?
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So how is BCN doing?
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argytunes
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Perhaps BCN and ZLX should take a few "programming risks?"
It's obvious that some of their (past and present) listeners aren't thrilled with their current format(s)?
Then again...the same could be said about several other radio stations in and around the New England area!
argytunes
It's obvious that some of their (past and present) listeners aren't thrilled with their current format(s)?
Then again...the same could be said about several other radio stations in and around the New England area!
argytunes
I think they should combine BCN and ZLX play list on one signal and make the other signal sports programming. It seems like WHJY to the south and WHEB and WGIR to the north do a fairly decent job mixing classic rock and new rock and do well ratings wise. Why not mirror BCN OR ZLX after one of those stations?
oldface said:
Your idea is the radio equivalent of intercepting a pass, running it back for 80 yards and promptly fumbling it just before crossing the goal line! Combining the formats of the two stations is actually a pretty good idea, though it would take some imaginative programming on the part of CBS Radio. But, you don't make one of them all sports with all of the competition around. You've got the juggernaut WEEI, ESPN Radio, whatever crap is on 1510, and now the Nassau/Entercom venture that may well result in an FM all-sports signal in the area.
The better plan would be to go after WJMN with an urban contemporary/CH Urban format. Something akin to what they have with Hot 93.7 in Hartford. Of all of the big owners in Boston, only CBS has the knowhow to put such a format in place. GM, Entercom, Nassau, etc. are all lily-white broadcasters and would be better candidates for all-sports.
Frankly, the market needs more rhythmic options, not another all-sports station. Particularly when WEEI is doing it so well.
Only time i hear BCN is when i manually tune them in. They are no longer have a preset. The talk shows (O&A + T&R) are trying. The music, when its on, is uninspired and uninteresting. I now go between ZLX and FNX - both are far more engaging - 'though FNX really should reduce their spotload - maybe they could do an on air fundraiser instead?
BCN sounded so much better back in the '80s, when the jocks exercised discipline - and kept the on air breaks sort of short.
BCN sounded so much better back in the '80s, when the jocks exercised discipline - and kept the on air breaks sort of short.
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rapking
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As much as I like that plan , It will not happen . Boston is the home of "The rotted radio dial" .BRNout said:
The rock stations you mentioned are all Clear channel.
I could see BCN/ZLX merge on 100.7 and use the 104.1 frequency for urban ,but I would have an urban AC Perhaps Alan Burn's Movin format but with a larger number of urban oldies, like those on Famous Amos's Rhythum and Gold format.
I would KEEP the BCN call letters AND the Patriots!
I could see BCN/ZLX merge on 100.7 and use the 104.1 frequency for urban ,but I would have an urban AC Perhaps Alan Burn's Movin format but with a larger number of urban oldies, like those on Famous Amos's Rhythum and Gold format.
I would KEEP the BCN call letters AND the Patriots!
That is why I would toss in some more urban based oldies Especlally current and classic CLUB hits.
This way you can keep THE C It would be Boston's Clubbin' Network
A rock based dance show on weekends would b a way to say they have not totally forgotten its rock heritage.
boston needs an urban station that plays more then just hip hop.
This way you can keep THE C It would be Boston's Clubbin' Network
A rock based dance show on weekends would b a way to say they have not totally forgotten its rock heritage.
boston needs an urban station that plays more then just hip hop.
jlehmann said:
I think it's probably the high burnout factor on gold material, which was the same problem with Jammin' Oldies except that JO was 100% gold. Even Seattle, which was Movin's only decent market, is down.
Then again, given the share's that WJMN is getting, maybe anything with a beat would get ratings? As others have said, the intentions of GM, Nassau, and Entercom, CBS looks like the our only hope for something different on the air. I vote for classic/active rock with T&R mornings on 104.1, and something like KZON/Phoenix on 100.7. But I don't really see it happening in the near future.
chitchatjf said:
doesn't AAF have Skratch & Sniff on the weekends? that's a rock based dance show...a syndicated show for an hour on sat nights is ok, but having some of those songs in regular rotation would be torturous
encarta95 said:
movin stations seem to stick with 90s and late 80s I would have Movin 104.1 do 70s,80s,90s and now and even toss in some 60s from time to time.
The question is How would you do the flip? Here is what I would do
All week announce a flip. DO NOT announce what format. State you may not like it though.
All day Friday do the all time top 104. I probobly would end with Stairway To Heaven then at 5pm do a legal ID and state that we are flipping to a urban AC format. State that there would be more current rock on WZLX and add more rock tracks to WODS and WBMX.
I would also have Movin 104.1 ads on the 5pm newscasts.
KEEP THE WBCN CALL LETTERS AND KEEP THE PATRIOTS!
oldface said:
Wow, what a concept!! I can't believe my ears... that Boston radio should emulate NH broadcasters! Me thinks programmers in Boston would have WAAAAYY too much pride to copycat from a "lesser market". That said, I don't think that's a bad plan at all.
Incidentally, to those who brought up that they are all Clear Channel stations, I can't testify for the southern station, but WGIR and WHEB have had a long history with good programming, regardless of who owns it. Eh, well WGIR has screwed the pooch somewhat, but I've never heard a bad word about WHEB. Ever. (Dating back to when it was my brother's fav station while attending UNH back in the early 90s.)
which shows that Clear Channel is capable or programming a good station ,something that really dosen't seem to happen in Boston.
WJMN is all hip hop and XKS is too heavy on Justin Timberlake.
WJMN is all hip hop and XKS is too heavy on Justin Timberlake.
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Dark Knight
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"So you don't know good entertainment. Toucher and Rich is the #1 afternoon drive program in Boston."
Really? By what measure? I think Glenn Ordway might disagree.
As would WMJX, WJMN, KISS, WKLB, WBUR, WZLX, WMKK, WTKK, Mix and WBZ, all of whom finished ahead of T and R in the summer book among A25-54, the most important demo from a sales standpoint.
They actually ranked 6th in M25-54, trailing only WEEI, Magic, Jamn, ZLX, and TKK.
Among the useless but often published P12+, they finished 15th.
They did finish 2nd in M18-34 and M18-24, but those are pretty narrow.
So the #1 designation was completely subjective, FYI.
Really? By what measure? I think Glenn Ordway might disagree.
As would WMJX, WJMN, KISS, WKLB, WBUR, WZLX, WMKK, WTKK, Mix and WBZ, all of whom finished ahead of T and R in the summer book among A25-54, the most important demo from a sales standpoint.
They actually ranked 6th in M25-54, trailing only WEEI, Magic, Jamn, ZLX, and TKK.
Among the useless but often published P12+, they finished 15th.
They did finish 2nd in M18-34 and M18-24, but those are pretty narrow.
So the #1 designation was completely subjective, FYI.
chitchatjf said:
Why would you want to piss off the listeners that you want to keep with a classic/active rock hybrid?
Everything is hypothetical here of course, but the last song would probably be Cream's "I Feel Free". But WBCN is the rock station with heritage, and would be a terrible choice to blow up. Unless it was going to a hot talk or sports format that targets young males, it wouldn't make sense to try to move the attractive younger demos over to 100.7 when 104.1 already has them built in. WZLX does have a heritage too, as one of the nation's first classic rock stations, but it's really 104.1 where rock would best fit.
You want to keep the flagship rights to the New England Patriots on a station targeted to women? Would everyone be treated to the "MOViN 104.1 New England Patriots Rhythm Radio Network"? There's no way you could get away with pre and post game shows, and that's just a really bad use of what could really anchor the WZLX/WBCN hybrid.
I really don't see MOViN coming to Boston. As everyone's said, it's pretty much bombed everywhere else, and in Boston it would seem to compete a little too closely with WBMX especially in mornings, where all of the other MOViN outlets seem to have Lander show clones.
Oh yes, Clear Channel can definitely program a good station. But, in Boston, they have a monopoly on both hip hop and CHR. So, they need not be imaginative. For example, they own Z-100 in New York and Q-102 in Philly...both are better CHR's than the Hot AC-leaning, estrogen-laden Kiss 108. Remember how Kiss 108 was about 15 years ago? Today's iteration is a pale imitator of that heritage.
This is why an urban is the way to go. Jamn and Kiss would have to bend too far to squeeze out the newcomer. WILD-FM had problems with a weak signal, schizophrenic programming and a lack of committed ownership. CBS Radio would not have such an issue in taking on the Clear Channel stations with a competitor at 100.7 or 104.1.
By the way, like Encarta, I'd recommend keeping the rocker as WBCN on 104.1 and the Pats with it. You have the heritage there. Flip 100.7. It would not be a great loss because WROR would ultimately pick up the little bit of slack that would be left in the wake of the flip (whatever music a 'new' WBCN doesn't cover as an AOR). CBS Radio's urban contemporary stations include WPGC Washington, WVEE Atlanta and WZMX Hartford. All do well in their respective markets. So, they do have the knowhow.
This is why an urban is the way to go. Jamn and Kiss would have to bend too far to squeeze out the newcomer. WILD-FM had problems with a weak signal, schizophrenic programming and a lack of committed ownership. CBS Radio would not have such an issue in taking on the Clear Channel stations with a competitor at 100.7 or 104.1.
By the way, like Encarta, I'd recommend keeping the rocker as WBCN on 104.1 and the Pats with it. You have the heritage there. Flip 100.7. It would not be a great loss because WROR would ultimately pick up the little bit of slack that would be left in the wake of the flip (whatever music a 'new' WBCN doesn't cover as an AOR). CBS Radio's urban contemporary stations include WPGC Washington, WVEE Atlanta and WZMX Hartford. All do well in their respective markets. So, they do have the knowhow.
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