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So, Jack, when are ya comin' down ta Houston?

Just in case you haven't read about it:

Infinity flipped WJMK in Chicago and none other than WCBS-FM in New York City to Jack FM today.

but Houston still doesn't know jack :p

How are KILT-FM and KHJZ doing in the ratings?

Wishful thought time: I hope Infinity buys KLDE, KHPT and KRBE.

Flip the first two to Jack and active rock, but keep KRBE the way it is.

now excuse me, I'm going to do some "Internet DX'ing"

*fires up Windows Media Player*<P ID="signature">______________
I listen to what I like.
Ratings be Damned.</P>
 
> Just in case you haven't read about it:
>
> Infinity flipped WJMK in Chicago and none other than WCBS-FM
> in New York City to Jack FM today.
>
> but Houston still doesn't know jack :p
>
> How are KILT-FM and KHJZ doing in the ratings?
>
> Wishful thought time: I hope Infinity buys KLDE, KHPT and
> KRBE.
>
> Flip the first two to Jack and active rock, but keep KRBE
> the way it is.
>
> now excuse me, I'm going to do some "Internet DX'ing"
>
> *fires up Windows Media Player*
>
KILT and KHJZ are actually doing well. Not spectacular but very good.
I am surprised that KHPT hasn't flipped yet. Their ratings are not so well.
 
> KILT and KHJZ are actually doing well. Not spectacular but
> very good.
> I am surprised that KHPT hasn't flipped yet. Their ratings
> are not so well.
>
Screw Jack! Houston doesn't need that. If you want that, then just flip stations all the time for a mix....or just plug in your IPod.

KHPT needs to go Rock/Active Rock. If they do it it, there will be trouble in the big city. The radio wars would commence and I would have a blast reading about it and listening! DO IT COX......NOW!

SW
 
> > KILT and KHJZ are actually doing well. Not spectacular but
>
> > very good.
> > I am surprised that KHPT hasn't flipped yet. Their ratings
>
> > are not so well.
> >
> Screw Jack! Houston doesn't need that. If you want that,
> then just flip stations all the time for a mix....or just
> plug in your IPod.
>
> KHPT needs to go Rock/Active Rock. If they do it it, there
> will be trouble in the big city. The radio wars would
> commence and I would have a blast reading about it and
> listening! DO IT COX......NOW!
>
> SW
>

I wanna add that 106.9 is a great signal too!
 
I still have this feeling deep down inside that someone or something will be "KISSing" K-R-B-E goodbye before the end of the year.


> Just in case you haven't read about it:
>
> Infinity flipped WJMK in Chicago and none other than WCBS-FM
> in New York City to Jack FM today.
>
> but Houston still doesn't know jack :p
>
> How are KILT-FM and KHJZ doing in the ratings?
>
> Wishful thought time: I hope Infinity buys KLDE, KHPT and
> KRBE.
>
> Flip the first two to Jack and active rock, but keep KRBE
> the way it is.
>
> now excuse me, I'm going to do some "Internet DX'ing"
>
> *fires up Windows Media Player*
>
 
I said before that Infinity would not do that here, because KILT & KHJZ were doing very well in the demos that they are going after, but if WCBS can flip to "Jack", it can happen anywhere. This is a HUGE mistake by Infinity in New York. I'm not familiar with WJMK's history in Chicago, but WCBS has been the watermark for Oldies stations over the past twenty years. This is a HUGE shock. When WABC flipped in the early 80's, most of the big personalites moved over to WCBS, where they excelled in the ratings. I just wonder what they are thinking. I would have thought that WNEW would have flipped to "Jack" before WCBS-FM.

But back to Houston, with all of that being said, both KILT-FM and KHJZ are cash cows. I think it would be extremely foolish to mess with them at this point.

And speaking of "Points", Cox's complacency with KHPT is astounding. What the hell are they looking at from a numbers standpoint?! Am I missing the part of the ratings that don't actually suck?! What are they doing good with women 25-54, who listen between 9 and 11 in the morning?! I'm with Shortwave and the rest of the Rock crowd... GO ACTIVE ROCK and start kicking ass! You know you can! KISS/San Antonio, which Cox owns, should be an example of what they need to do here. I just don't understand it.

<P ID="signature">______________
KVIL Highland Park
KVIL-FM Highland Park/Dallas-Fort Worth
Thanks for the memories Ron Chapman!</P>
 
> I'm with Shortwave and the rest of the Rock crowd... GO
> ACTIVE ROCK and start kicking ass! You know you can!
> KISS/San Antonio, which Cox owns, should be an example of
> what they need to do here. I just don't understand it.
>

Cox isn't committed to the Houston market - just a caretaker who takes no chances.
 
> Infinity flipped WJMK in Chicago and none other than WCBS-FM
> in New York City to Jack FM today.

I checked the WCBS-FM online stream via Radio@AOL, and it is running the new Jack format. Imaging and playlist sound pretty much the same as other Jack stations. They did run a promo that the oldies format was still available on wcbsfm.com, but I couldn't get that particular audio stream to play when I tried it a short time ago. Not sure if the Jack format has a new website yet; guess I need to plow through the NYC board for more info.
 
The previous comment by "stan" is simply ignorant. Cox is not committed to Houston? Sure pal! It's only the largest market they're in!! You are not going to see any programming changing with The Point b/c Bob Neil is in charge and the 80's is his format. He believes in it and thinks of himself as the creator of it along with Randy Kabrich. This will not change, ever. Go back and read that last sentence a few more times. The 80's format is over EVERYWHERE, except at Cox. They still are plugging away with 5-6 "Point" stations across the chain...when you start to see one flip somewhere else, THEN you can look for an across-the-board flip to something else. By then EVERY U.S. market will have a JACK, BOB, or "insert indigenous city nickname here." The reason? Bob Neil. That is all anyone on this board needs to know. The Point is NOT CHANGING! Tell your friends!

What really blows me away is that no one on this board has ever addressed the unusual "liner card only" policy currently on air for over 90 days now!!! No one on the air at The Point is allowed to read or say anything on air besides a :20-:30 second standard liner card 24 hours everyday!! Is there another Houston station that has this strict policy?? I don't think so.

Oh and by the way, the revenue on KHPT has EXCEEDED their annual projections.
 
> > I'm with Shortwave and the rest of the Rock crowd... GO
> > ACTIVE ROCK and start kicking ass! You know you can!
> > KISS/San Antonio, which Cox owns, should be an example of
> > what they need to do here. I just don't understand it.
> >
>
> Cox isn't committed to the Houston market - just a caretaker
> who takes no chances.
>
I agree whole heartedly with Stan, Cox is so uncommitted to their Houston cluster that it is disgusting. All four stations KKBQ 92.9, KTHT 97.1, KHPT 106.9 and KLDE 107.5 have been on autopilot for so long that I guess there is no body home in Houston to run the operations. Cox is sitting on four great frequencies, even rimshot KTHT covers from the Oklahoma state line to around Victoria, fantastic coverage {Thanks to the person that gave me the southern limits for KTHT}.

Cox missed the boat on having a real profit center for them if they had staffed Country Legends KTHT with more than Tubby, who does an admirable job, but you can not expect one person to carry a format like Classic Country, which is a personality driven format. Now every little town with a station flipped to Classic Country and hired air personalities or went to syndicated programming from Satellite like Jones or ABC and have the audience that KTHT could have owned if whoever is in supposed to be in charge of the cluster got up off their ass and did their job.

I would love to see Cox sell their Houston cluster and let the door hit them in the ass on the way out. Buyer, Cumulus. Cumulus is in the process of getting a new line of credit for $700M. unless there is a snag in the next few days it is a done deal. That would easily buy all four stations and have money left. This puts Cumulus one over on the FM limit, but Good Bye 97.5 would be a dream come true for Cumulus. I'm not sure who would buy the station, but it will sell for around $50M, possibly Radio One and they finally put Urban Gospel on the air. Move KFNC and KIOL to 106.9 and 107.5, invest some more effort into Country 93Q (I know Cox has added a new am show) and Country Legends 97.1 and move KLDE (where Cox has actually made a few great additions) over to 103.7. Cumulus would be a big time player in Houston and making an obscene profit in no time.

This doesn't leave a station for "Jack", unless Cumulus picks up on an AM station like KGOL 1180 which has another application with the FCC to stay 50kW days and go to 3kW nights. It still doesn't serve much of the city of Houston, but with a new night site in NW Harris County and 10kW+ would solve the nighttime issue. Move Oldies to AM 1180 as KLDE and make 103.7 "Jack".

I know there will be some objection to moving KLDE to AM, but in reality Oldies are rapidly becoming the Adult Standards stations of 2000's and where did Adult Standards wind up, on AM, where many have finally met their demise. I realize that KLDE has nearly a three rating and in 14th place, but WCBS-FM in NYC had a rating of 3.3 and 10th place, WJMK in Chicago had a 2.9 rating and good for 11 th place, while KLDE matches WJMK's ratings and is 14th, so don't be surprised to see the plug pulled on KLDE if another company owns Cox's stations. A big reason for not moving KFNC to AM is coverage. On 106.9 KFNC will have an advantage that neither KSEV 700, KTRH 740, KPRC 950 or KNTH 1070 can ever do and that is match the coverage of all of metro Houston at night with a great signal like 106.9 provides. It could be just the edge to give KFNC number one News-Talk bragging rights. In the winter months am and especially pm drive times, the AM stations will be on night pattern and power, while 106.9 is still blasting out 100kW non-directional. For many commuters 106.9 will be the only station they can receive with a great signal on the drive home or the early morning when the crunch is beginning to build.

Another possiblitiy is Radio One. La Mera Mera was DOA and the not getting any better, no surprise when a station is DOA. The sooner R O flips KROI 92.1 the better. Radio One does a variety of formats, not just Urban and a flip to "Jack" on 92.1 would be a good move on the part of R O. Radio One also has an application to move KROI to a different tower that will be a little closer to Houston.

The new tower is just to the east of Liverpool, but the important point in this move is the tower is a little over 600 meters tall and KROI will have their antenna at 526 meters and drop their power to 22kW to stay with-in their Class C1 status. I am very confident that KROI will be applying for Class C0 or Class C status, it can been done with the movement of a few stations, but nothing like the 20+ stations when then KRTS upgraded from a Class A at 1400 watts and 148 meters. I will post a list of the stations that will be short spaced later after I check out the spacing again. This would give KROI a City Grade signal {70dbu-3.14mV/m} to nearly The North Beltway; between Mission Bend and Katy; past Richmond-Rosenberg; nearly Bay City; east side of Galveston Bay and Mont Belvieu. The Service Grade signal which is a good strong signal yet (60dbu-1.0mV/m)would cover up to The Woodlands; Tomball; Sealy; El Campo; Winnie and Liberty. KROI would easily cover Conroe; Cleveland; Beaumont; Brenham and Palacios if they go to a full Class C station.

My vote is for Radio One to drop the Spanish-language programming and go "Jack", they already have great Houston metro coverage and with-in a few years could have excellent coverage of even the fringe commuter cities. R O would have another station that would be a ratings success to go along with Magic 102 and 979 The Box. If the planets all line up perfectly the Cumulus-Cox idea is not out of the equation any longer and 97.5 could be Urban Gospel with a rating that will make the station profitable, and a high rating would not be necessary for a format like Urban Gospel to make money. What Darrell Martin will do with KWWJ 1360 Baytown, KYOK 1140 Conroe and KANI 1500 Wharton all currently Urban Gospel, will be interesting. I am not aware of Darrell Martin programming anything but Urban Gospel on his stations.

If KZNE 1150 in College Station leaves the air like it is suppose to as it's five years of "simulcasting" is up next on February 2nd 2006, and 1130 KTMR Edna-Victoria moves to the northern San Antonio suburbs if it's application from the Major Modification window last year is approved, 1140 could become a station with at lease 25000 watts daytime and cover all of metro Houston with a great signal. Since XEMR 1140 Monterrey is highly directional away from Houston, although the signal is the most important signal to protect day and night as it is an official Mexican "Clear Channel" station (not the company). Even nights could have very good coverage of metro Houston by using a different night site. A very smart move on Martins' part would be to apply for the new parameters now, before someone else does and kills the chance for a very meaningful upgrade to a AM station that could serve all of metro Houston, that currently serves Conroe and a lot of empty land to the east. This would make 1140 a good Houston station and the value of the station could very easily be over $10M. Martin could try Urban Oldies on 1140, keep the Gospel on 1360 KWWJ, the station does have a dedicated audience and burn down KANI's transmitter hut and dog houses and cut a few guy wires for the three towers or blow them up and end the history of 1500 in Wharton or possibly simulcast KWWJ on KANI fulltime. Radio One going Gospel in Houston would definitely hurt D Martin and his three stations.

If by some miracle Cox were to actually sell and Cumulus buys the cluster, the Houston FM radio dial will be in for some big changes. Look for Clear Channel to make some changes to both The Arrow KKRW 93.7, which is broadcasting in Ibiquity's digital IBOC or HD-Radio and The Buzz 94.5 once the Spring Book is ready to come out with the ratings, which should be early August.

Mike O
 
I totally agree with that and I've even thought it. Houston doesn't seem like a city where that format would work or even belong. I hope we never see the likes of Jack, Bob, or anything close on these airwaves.


> Screw Jack! Houston doesn't need that. If you want that,
> then just flip stations all the time for a mix....or just
> plug in your IPod.
>
> KHPT needs to go Rock/Active Rock. If they do it it, there
> will be trouble in the big city. The radio wars would
> commence and I would have a blast reading about it and
> listening! DO IT COX......NOW!
>
> SW
>
 
dr_doom Stan is far from ignorant, he has many insightful posts on this board and the state of Cox Radio in Houston is one!

Please explain the fact that because Houston is the largest market Cox Radio owns stations makes them dedicated in any way to Houston and their programming?

Houston is the largest market for Cumulus, but they are responding to the needs of the community, not to an individual in a corporation.

If you want to talk about ignorant, because Bob Neil's baby is The Point, it's stale worn out 80's programming is going to exist forever because he thinks he is the creator of the format? Please get real, some formats are great for a few years and then they have had their run. The 80's format was one of those formats that lost it's edge and popularity some years ago now. Disco was a format that had it's run and very popular, but after a few years the format was burned out, just like KHPT is burned out.

You may want to read your sentence "The 80's format is over EVERYWHERE, except at Cox." Doesn't that tell you something? The format is over, unfortunately for Houston Bob Neil feels he created the format, the only thing to come out of Cox Radio that I know of, and we have to have a frequency wasted on his toy?

Your news that The Point is NOT CHANGING is indeed encouraging words for the vast majority that find 106.9 a place on the radio dial to avoid.

Why would anyone notice that the DJ's are reading liner cards 24/7? That is standard practice at too many radio stations already. It is hardly anythng new and something that I personally hopes fades into the sunset soon as the Clear Channels and Cox's of the radio world realize that no one is interested in a robot reading prepared copy for them. You certainly don't need any talent at The Point to do an air shift. It could be that so few listen to KHPT that they are not aware of this earth shattering policy. I know I wasn't because I don't bother with The Point and haven't for some time.

Cox has not done anything creative since they have been in Houston. If you read my post above, you will find that I feel the one of the best things for Houston radio would be for Cox Radio to sell their stations and move along. I don't believe Cox Radio could program their way out of a paper sack from the examples set by KKBQ, KTHT, KHPT and KLDE.

If KHPT exceeded their annual projection on revenue, it must be that when you project a loss of $1.0M for fiscal year 2004 and only lost $250.0K you did mighty fine.

Mike O
=======================


> The previous comment by "stan" is simply ignorant. Cox is
> not committed to Houston? Sure pal! It's only the largest
> market they're in!! You are not going to see any
> programming changing with The Point b/c Bob Neil is in
> charge and the 80's is his format. He believes in it and
> thinks of himself as the creator of it along with Randy
> Kabrich. This will not change, ever. Go back and read that
> last sentence a few more times. The 80's format is over
> EVERYWHERE, except at Cox. They still are plugging away
> with 5-6 "Point" stations across the chain...when you start
> to see one flip somewhere else, THEN you can look for an
> across-the-board flip to something else. By then EVERY U.S.
> market will have a JACK, BOB, or "insert indigenous city
> nickname here." The reason? Bob Neil. That is all anyone
> on this board needs to know. The Point is NOT CHANGING!
> Tell your friends!
>
> What really blows me away is that no one on this board has
> ever addressed the unusual "liner card only" policy
> currently on air for over 90 days now!!! No one on the air
> at The Point is allowed to read or say anything on air
> besides a :20-:30 second standard liner card 24 hours
> everyday!! Is there another Houston station that has this
> strict policy?? I don't think so.
>
> Oh and by the way, the revenue on KHPT has EXCEEDED their
> annual projections.
>
 
> What really blows me away is that no one on this board has
> ever addressed the unusual "liner card only" policy
> currently on air for over 90 days now!!! No one on the air
> at The Point is allowed to read or say anything on air
> besides a :20-:30 second standard liner card 24 hours
> everyday!! Is there another Houston station that has this
> strict policy?? I don't think so.
>
> Oh and by the way, the revenue on KHPT has EXCEEDED their
> annual projections.
>
because nobody is listening
 
> Yes! Yes! Yes! I agree with you Mike. You missed my sarcasm completely.
My "point" was that is ignorant to think Cox will make ANY changes with Bob Neil at the helm. He is truly light years behind others in forcasting trends and making radio interesting for even the lowest common denominator listener out there.

His program directors are all bullied by him. The only way to exist in Cox Radio culture is to drink the "Bob" kool aid and take an extra 2 hour lunch.
 
> His program directors are all bullied by him. The only way
> to exist in Cox Radio culture is to drink the "Bob" kool aid
> and take an extra 2 hour lunch.
>

So Houston already has a "Bob" station, eh?
 
> > Yes! Yes! Yes! I agree with you Mike. You missed my
> sarcasm completely.
> My "point" was that is ignorant to think Cox will make ANY
> changes with Bob Neil at the helm. He is truly light years
> behind others in forcasting trends and making radio
> interesting for even the lowest common denominator listener
> out there.
>
> His program directors are all bullied by him. The only way
> to exist in Cox Radio culture is to drink the "Bob" kool aid
> and take an extra 2 hour lunch.
>
dr_doom, my apologies for missing your sarcasm. I did not read deep enough into your post. If Cox Radio is going to survive in Houston for much longer they are going to have to do something with the stations they own.

The thought of The Point for another five years is indeed frightning!

I have a feeling that there are more radio deals in the works besides KRBE, we will have to see what developes over the remainder of the year.

Mike O
 
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