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artfred
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As of Friday afternoon Infinity filpped two heratige stations to "JACK". WCBS-FM in NYC and WJMK-FM in Chicago. I hope that everyone at WMC has their resumes' updated, because it looks like the clock is ticking.
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> As of Friday afternoon Infinity filpped two heratige
> stations to "JACK". WCBS-FM in NYC and WJMK-FM in Chicago.
> I hope that everyone at WMC has their resumes' updated,
> because it looks like the clock is ticking.
>
Yes. but both of those were oldies stations, IIRC. How would it affect 100's female demos if they blew it up for JACK?
hell, if anything, 93x might be more likely to flip than 100, IMO...
> stations to "JACK". WCBS-FM in NYC and WJMK-FM in Chicago.
> I hope that everyone at WMC has their resumes' updated,
> because it looks like the clock is ticking.
>
Yes. but both of those were oldies stations, IIRC. How would it affect 100's female demos if they blew it up for JACK?
hell, if anything, 93x might be more likely to flip than 100, IMO...
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artfred
Guest
> > As of Friday afternoon Infinity filpped two heratige
> > stations to "JACK". WCBS-FM in NYC and WJMK-FM in
> Chicago.
> > I hope that everyone at WMC has their resumes' updated,
> > because it looks like the clock is ticking.
> >
> Yes. but both of those were oldies stations, IIRC. How
> would it affect 100's female demos if they blew it up for
> JACK?
>
> hell, if anything, 93x might be more likely to flip than
> 100, IMO...
>
I'm not talking about a 98.1 the cat kind of flip where you totally blow off your female demo, I'm talking about a legitimate possibility. 'Jack' is supposed to do well with women, and they could certainly stand to gain more women. Now as far as the 'oldies' issue goes..WCBS was consistently in the top ten. WJMK was #12 in the 12+. They had a lot more to loose overall. WMC has enjoyed a small ratings spike recently due to their current shift in what they play. (Don't you think their weekends sound a lot like 'Jack' lately?) How do you think the corporate programmers are going to react when they put 1+1 together. If the brass at Infinity can change two heratige stations that have a lot more to loose than WMC, it would be nothing for them to flip FM100. They have already said that if it's not a top twenty market or it's not in a resort location...it's probably going to be sold.
Look, I'm not certain what's going to happen five minutes from now. Susquehanna could make a 180, decide they are going to stay in radio and buy out a major player. Hell, Roy Disney could decide that fighting the Disney board isn't worth it, and get back into radio again. But when Susquehana flipped Gold 104 in Indianapolis to 'Jack', then say they are going to get out of radio business, It's evident that the change to 'Jack' there was a move to groom it for a sale.
You are right, anything could happen, but one thing is for certain...expect the unexpected. The basis for my opinion is that FM100 is a prime candidate because more 'fat' can be trimmed from their operation vs. 93x. If ( and it's a big IF ) Infinity is going to sell their stations that are not in the top twenty...it makes sense to explore the 'flavor of the month'. Get the station to perform well in the short term just long enough to make the sale.
Hell, I may be way off base, but it sure is fun to speculate! Isn't that why we play the lottery?!?
daddy-o
> > stations to "JACK". WCBS-FM in NYC and WJMK-FM in
> Chicago.
> > I hope that everyone at WMC has their resumes' updated,
> > because it looks like the clock is ticking.
> >
> Yes. but both of those were oldies stations, IIRC. How
> would it affect 100's female demos if they blew it up for
> JACK?
>
> hell, if anything, 93x might be more likely to flip than
> 100, IMO...
>
I'm not talking about a 98.1 the cat kind of flip where you totally blow off your female demo, I'm talking about a legitimate possibility. 'Jack' is supposed to do well with women, and they could certainly stand to gain more women. Now as far as the 'oldies' issue goes..WCBS was consistently in the top ten. WJMK was #12 in the 12+. They had a lot more to loose overall. WMC has enjoyed a small ratings spike recently due to their current shift in what they play. (Don't you think their weekends sound a lot like 'Jack' lately?) How do you think the corporate programmers are going to react when they put 1+1 together. If the brass at Infinity can change two heratige stations that have a lot more to loose than WMC, it would be nothing for them to flip FM100. They have already said that if it's not a top twenty market or it's not in a resort location...it's probably going to be sold.
Look, I'm not certain what's going to happen five minutes from now. Susquehanna could make a 180, decide they are going to stay in radio and buy out a major player. Hell, Roy Disney could decide that fighting the Disney board isn't worth it, and get back into radio again. But when Susquehana flipped Gold 104 in Indianapolis to 'Jack', then say they are going to get out of radio business, It's evident that the change to 'Jack' there was a move to groom it for a sale.
You are right, anything could happen, but one thing is for certain...expect the unexpected. The basis for my opinion is that FM100 is a prime candidate because more 'fat' can be trimmed from their operation vs. 93x. If ( and it's a big IF ) Infinity is going to sell their stations that are not in the top twenty...it makes sense to explore the 'flavor of the month'. Get the station to perform well in the short term just long enough to make the sale.
Hell, I may be way off base, but it sure is fun to speculate! Isn't that why we play the lottery?!?
daddy-o
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DeltaKing
Guest
Let me respond, one at a time...
> I'm not talking about a 98.1 the cat kind of flip where you
> totally blow off your female demo, I'm talking about a
> legitimate possibility. 'Jack' is supposed to do well with
> women, and they could certainly stand to gain more women.
Who could stand to gain more women? FM 100? They're already #1 with Women 25-49(non-ethnic). Next.
> Now as far as the 'oldies' issue goes..WCBS was consistently
> in the top ten. WJMK was #12 in the 12+. They had a lot more
> to loose overall.
How were they in the demos that count? 25-54? Not well, as Oldies music skews 45-dead (kinda like WRVR).
WMC has enjoyed a small ratings spike
> recently due to their current shift in what they play.
Yes, yes they have. Why kill momentum? But, the weekends are far too new to make an impact. All of FM 100's growth was 6a-7p M-F. They started "Whatever" weekends back at the beginning of April. We'll know more about how that did on Wednesday.
> (Don't you think their weekends sound a lot like 'Jack'
> lately?)
Yes, yes they do. That's by design I would imagine, so that when a real "Jack" hits the market, FM 100 will already have an image for that, and diminish the splash of "Jack".
How do you think the corporate programmers are
> going to react when they put 1+1 together.
Probably that they have (finally) a succesful product on their hands, and to not screw it up.
If the brass at
> Infinity can change two heratige stations that have a lot
> more to loose than WMC, it would be nothing for them to flip
> FM100.
That's an assumption. Based on market size, FM 100 far out-performed both properties, and has MUCH more to lose. If you scaled the revenue that WCBS and WJMK had down to what this market bills, proportionately WMC would be far in front.
They have already said that if it's not a top twenty
> market or it's not in a resort location...it's probably
> going to be sold.
>
Yet, they've backpedaled and announced they are keeping markets like Rochester, New York (which is smaller than Memphis).
> Look, I'm not certain what's going to happen five minutes
> from now. Susquehanna could make a 180, decide they are
> going to stay in radio and buy out a major player. Hell, Roy
> Disney could decide that fighting the Disney board isn't
> worth it, and get back into radio again. But when Susquehana
> flipped Gold 104 in Indianapolis to 'Jack', then say they
> are going to get out of radio business, It's evident that
> the change to 'Jack' there was a move to groom it for a
> sale.
I have friends who work for Susquehanna. Same deal. WGLD wasn't making the $$ it once was, and was actually losing money.
> You are right, anything could happen, but one thing is for
> certain...expect the unexpected. The basis for my opinion
> is that FM100 is a prime candidate because more 'fat' can be
> trimmed from their operation vs. 93x.
But, that "fat" you refer to is what clients love. RS&K and Tom make MAJOR $$ for that station. They're pulling their weight.
( and it's a big IF
> ) Infinity is going to sell their stations that are not in
> the top twenty...it makes sense to explore the 'flavor of
> the month'. Get the station to perform well in the short
> term just long enough to make the sale.
>
No, it doesn't. Sell the station to sell it. Format means nothing nowadays. It's all about stick value and cash flow. FM 100 cash flows far too much for anyone to seriously look at a cash sale. And their stick value is ungodly. If anything, they will be swapped, not sold.
> Hell, I may be way off base, but it sure is fun to
> speculate! Isn't that why we play the lottery?!?
I have my ticket! Every week!
Flame on...
>
> daddy-o
>
Delta-king<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by DeltaKing on 06/06/05 01:38 AM.</FONT></P>
> I'm not talking about a 98.1 the cat kind of flip where you
> totally blow off your female demo, I'm talking about a
> legitimate possibility. 'Jack' is supposed to do well with
> women, and they could certainly stand to gain more women.
Who could stand to gain more women? FM 100? They're already #1 with Women 25-49(non-ethnic). Next.
> Now as far as the 'oldies' issue goes..WCBS was consistently
> in the top ten. WJMK was #12 in the 12+. They had a lot more
> to loose overall.
How were they in the demos that count? 25-54? Not well, as Oldies music skews 45-dead (kinda like WRVR).
WMC has enjoyed a small ratings spike
> recently due to their current shift in what they play.
Yes, yes they have. Why kill momentum? But, the weekends are far too new to make an impact. All of FM 100's growth was 6a-7p M-F. They started "Whatever" weekends back at the beginning of April. We'll know more about how that did on Wednesday.
> (Don't you think their weekends sound a lot like 'Jack'
> lately?)
Yes, yes they do. That's by design I would imagine, so that when a real "Jack" hits the market, FM 100 will already have an image for that, and diminish the splash of "Jack".
How do you think the corporate programmers are
> going to react when they put 1+1 together.
Probably that they have (finally) a succesful product on their hands, and to not screw it up.
If the brass at
> Infinity can change two heratige stations that have a lot
> more to loose than WMC, it would be nothing for them to flip
> FM100.
That's an assumption. Based on market size, FM 100 far out-performed both properties, and has MUCH more to lose. If you scaled the revenue that WCBS and WJMK had down to what this market bills, proportionately WMC would be far in front.
They have already said that if it's not a top twenty
> market or it's not in a resort location...it's probably
> going to be sold.
>
Yet, they've backpedaled and announced they are keeping markets like Rochester, New York (which is smaller than Memphis).
> Look, I'm not certain what's going to happen five minutes
> from now. Susquehanna could make a 180, decide they are
> going to stay in radio and buy out a major player. Hell, Roy
> Disney could decide that fighting the Disney board isn't
> worth it, and get back into radio again. But when Susquehana
> flipped Gold 104 in Indianapolis to 'Jack', then say they
> are going to get out of radio business, It's evident that
> the change to 'Jack' there was a move to groom it for a
> sale.
I have friends who work for Susquehanna. Same deal. WGLD wasn't making the $$ it once was, and was actually losing money.
> You are right, anything could happen, but one thing is for
> certain...expect the unexpected. The basis for my opinion
> is that FM100 is a prime candidate because more 'fat' can be
> trimmed from their operation vs. 93x.
But, that "fat" you refer to is what clients love. RS&K and Tom make MAJOR $$ for that station. They're pulling their weight.
( and it's a big IF
> ) Infinity is going to sell their stations that are not in
> the top twenty...it makes sense to explore the 'flavor of
> the month'. Get the station to perform well in the short
> term just long enough to make the sale.
>
No, it doesn't. Sell the station to sell it. Format means nothing nowadays. It's all about stick value and cash flow. FM 100 cash flows far too much for anyone to seriously look at a cash sale. And their stick value is ungodly. If anything, they will be swapped, not sold.
> Hell, I may be way off base, but it sure is fun to
> speculate! Isn't that why we play the lottery?!?
I have my ticket! Every week!
Flame on...
>
> daddy-o
>
Delta-king<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by DeltaKing on 06/06/05 01:38 AM.</FONT></P>
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Re: So much for 'heratige' [sic] stations...
You know, there is an interesting wrinkle to all this that may not have been brought up yet...
I think it's quite obvious what this "whatever" weekend, and the latest machinations of 94.1 are all about -- it's to preempt, as much as possible -- an attack by a Jack station. Right? Sure, it might mean that a station is trying to whet the appetite for a new format, but in today's competitive marketplace, telegraphing a potential format change for weeks is just silly.
OK, what does that imply? If you are trying to PREEMPT something, it may mean you have no intention to do it yourself. Hmmmm... One certainly wouldn't want to blunt the desire for a format that one plans to debut themselves, either.
Now, I have no inside information, and I understand that plans can change quickly. But, the current landscape implies there are no CURRENT plans to Jack.
DE
You know, there is an interesting wrinkle to all this that may not have been brought up yet...
I think it's quite obvious what this "whatever" weekend, and the latest machinations of 94.1 are all about -- it's to preempt, as much as possible -- an attack by a Jack station. Right? Sure, it might mean that a station is trying to whet the appetite for a new format, but in today's competitive marketplace, telegraphing a potential format change for weeks is just silly.
OK, what does that imply? If you are trying to PREEMPT something, it may mean you have no intention to do it yourself. Hmmmm... One certainly wouldn't want to blunt the desire for a format that one plans to debut themselves, either.
Now, I have no inside information, and I understand that plans can change quickly. But, the current landscape implies there are no CURRENT plans to Jack.
DE
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ghostofdewey
Guest
Re: So much for 'heratige' [sic] stations...
> Good points made by Dead Elvis...However, think about this scenario: We're so focused on FM-100 and 94.1 The Buzz going "Jack"...that we've missed the most obvious possible Jack station....Q-107.5....Check the facts...FM-100 and Buzz are making money for their respective companies, they are both sharply imaged to their listeners. They are both solid, well entrenched stations in the market...On the other hand: Q-107 has never had good ratings since they signed on...they are not making any money for Flinn (probably losing money after jock salaries & too large a promotion staff for a market this size) and they do not deliver a desirable listener demographic for the agencies....Ok, think now...which station would you flip.....DUH!!!!
>
> Good points made by Dead Elvis...However, think about this scenario: We're so focused on FM-100 and 94.1 The Buzz going "Jack"...that we've missed the most obvious possible Jack station....Q-107.5....Check the facts...FM-100 and Buzz are making money for their respective companies, they are both sharply imaged to their listeners. They are both solid, well entrenched stations in the market...On the other hand: Q-107 has never had good ratings since they signed on...they are not making any money for Flinn (probably losing money after jock salaries & too large a promotion staff for a market this size) and they do not deliver a desirable listener demographic for the agencies....Ok, think now...which station would you flip.....DUH!!!!
>
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countrymomma
Guest
> Let me respond, one at a time...
>
> > I'm not talking about a 98.1 the cat kind of flip where
> you
> > totally blow off your female demo, I'm talking about a
> > legitimate possibility. 'Jack' is supposed to do well
> with
> > women, and they could certainly stand to gain more women.
>
> Who could stand to gain more women? FM 100? They're already
> #1 with Women 25-49(non-ethnic). Next.
>
> > Now as far as the 'oldies' issue goes..WCBS was
> consistently
> > in the top ten. WJMK was #12 in the 12+. They had a lot
> more
> > to loose overall.
> How were they in the demos that count? 25-54? Not well, as
> Oldies music skews 45-dead (kinda like WRVR).
>
> WMC has enjoyed a small ratings spike
> > recently due to their current shift in what they play.
>
> Yes, yes they have. Why kill momentum? But, the weekends are
> far too new to make an impact. All of FM 100's growth was
> 6a-7p M-F. They started "Whatever" weekends back at the
> beginning of April. We'll know more about how that did on
> Wednesday.
>
> > (Don't you think their weekends sound a lot like 'Jack'
> > lately?)
>
> Yes, yes they do. That's by design I would imagine, so that
> when a real "Jack" hits the market, FM 100 will already have
> an image for that, and diminish the splash of "Jack".
>
> How do you think the corporate programmers are
> > going to react when they put 1+1 together.
>
> Probably that they have (finally) a succesful product on
> their hands, and to not screw it up.
>
> If the brass at
> > Infinity can change two heratige stations that have a lot
> > more to loose than WMC, it would be nothing for them to
> flip
> > FM100.
>
> That's an assumption. Based on market size, FM 100 far
> out-performed both properties, and has MUCH more to lose. If
> you scaled the revenue that WCBS and WJMK had down to what
> this market bills, proportionately WMC would be far in
> front.
>
> They have already said that if it's not a top twenty
> > market or it's not in a resort location...it's probably
> > going to be sold.
> >
>
> Yet, they've backpedaled and announced they are keeping
> markets like Rochester, New York (which is smaller than
> Memphis).
>
> > Look, I'm not certain what's going to happen five minutes
> > from now. Susquehanna could make a 180, decide they are
> > going to stay in radio and buy out a major player. Hell,
> Roy
> > Disney could decide that fighting the Disney board isn't
> > worth it, and get back into radio again. But when
> Susquehana
> > flipped Gold 104 in Indianapolis to 'Jack', then say they
> > are going to get out of radio business, It's evident that
> > the change to 'Jack' there was a move to groom it for a
> > sale.
>
> I have friends who work for Susquehanna. Same deal. WGLD
> wasn't making the $$ it once was, and was actually losing
> money.
>
> > You are right, anything could happen, but one thing is for
>
> > certain...expect the unexpected. The basis for my opinion
>
> > is that FM100 is a prime candidate because more 'fat' can
> be
> > trimmed from their operation vs. 93x.
>
> But, that "fat" you refer to is what clients love. RS&K and
> Tom make MAJOR $$ for that station. They're pulling their
> weight.
>
> ( and it's a big IF
> > ) Infinity is going to sell their stations that are not in
>
> > the top twenty...it makes sense to explore the 'flavor of
> > the month'. Get the station to perform well in the short
> > term just long enough to make the sale.
> >
>
> No, it doesn't. Sell the station to sell it. Format means
> nothing nowadays. It's all about stick value and cash flow.
> FM 100 cash flows far too much for anyone to seriously look
> at a cash sale. And their stick value is ungodly. If
> anything, they will be swapped, not sold.
>
> > Hell, I may be way off base, but it sure is fun to
> > speculate! Isn't that why we play the lottery?!?
>
> I have my ticket! Every week!
>
> Flame on...
> >
> > daddy-o
> >
> Delta-king
Great stuff here, DK!
One more here....
Remember 'RVR had their Solid Gold Sunday deal. They were the kings of the weekend. Dominant! 20 shares. Then, we had the conga line of Oldies stations rumble through the market. No one ever caught traction.
Novelty fun things in this market are just that. Novelty formats don't work in this market. We are a meat and potatoes market. Pure and simple. Jack won't fly. Infinity, Entercom, Dr. Flinn (o.k....he doesn't count)...if they put the money in and do the research, they will figure it out.
Fun stuff on the weekend. Won't bank during the week. May work for a couple of books. But, in the stretch, it will go down like the Titanic.
My 2 cents...
>
> > I'm not talking about a 98.1 the cat kind of flip where
> you
> > totally blow off your female demo, I'm talking about a
> > legitimate possibility. 'Jack' is supposed to do well
> with
> > women, and they could certainly stand to gain more women.
>
> Who could stand to gain more women? FM 100? They're already
> #1 with Women 25-49(non-ethnic). Next.
>
> > Now as far as the 'oldies' issue goes..WCBS was
> consistently
> > in the top ten. WJMK was #12 in the 12+. They had a lot
> more
> > to loose overall.
> How were they in the demos that count? 25-54? Not well, as
> Oldies music skews 45-dead (kinda like WRVR).
>
> WMC has enjoyed a small ratings spike
> > recently due to their current shift in what they play.
>
> Yes, yes they have. Why kill momentum? But, the weekends are
> far too new to make an impact. All of FM 100's growth was
> 6a-7p M-F. They started "Whatever" weekends back at the
> beginning of April. We'll know more about how that did on
> Wednesday.
>
> > (Don't you think their weekends sound a lot like 'Jack'
> > lately?)
>
> Yes, yes they do. That's by design I would imagine, so that
> when a real "Jack" hits the market, FM 100 will already have
> an image for that, and diminish the splash of "Jack".
>
> How do you think the corporate programmers are
> > going to react when they put 1+1 together.
>
> Probably that they have (finally) a succesful product on
> their hands, and to not screw it up.
>
> If the brass at
> > Infinity can change two heratige stations that have a lot
> > more to loose than WMC, it would be nothing for them to
> flip
> > FM100.
>
> That's an assumption. Based on market size, FM 100 far
> out-performed both properties, and has MUCH more to lose. If
> you scaled the revenue that WCBS and WJMK had down to what
> this market bills, proportionately WMC would be far in
> front.
>
> They have already said that if it's not a top twenty
> > market or it's not in a resort location...it's probably
> > going to be sold.
> >
>
> Yet, they've backpedaled and announced they are keeping
> markets like Rochester, New York (which is smaller than
> Memphis).
>
> > Look, I'm not certain what's going to happen five minutes
> > from now. Susquehanna could make a 180, decide they are
> > going to stay in radio and buy out a major player. Hell,
> Roy
> > Disney could decide that fighting the Disney board isn't
> > worth it, and get back into radio again. But when
> Susquehana
> > flipped Gold 104 in Indianapolis to 'Jack', then say they
> > are going to get out of radio business, It's evident that
> > the change to 'Jack' there was a move to groom it for a
> > sale.
>
> I have friends who work for Susquehanna. Same deal. WGLD
> wasn't making the $$ it once was, and was actually losing
> money.
>
> > You are right, anything could happen, but one thing is for
>
> > certain...expect the unexpected. The basis for my opinion
>
> > is that FM100 is a prime candidate because more 'fat' can
> be
> > trimmed from their operation vs. 93x.
>
> But, that "fat" you refer to is what clients love. RS&K and
> Tom make MAJOR $$ for that station. They're pulling their
> weight.
>
> ( and it's a big IF
> > ) Infinity is going to sell their stations that are not in
>
> > the top twenty...it makes sense to explore the 'flavor of
> > the month'. Get the station to perform well in the short
> > term just long enough to make the sale.
> >
>
> No, it doesn't. Sell the station to sell it. Format means
> nothing nowadays. It's all about stick value and cash flow.
> FM 100 cash flows far too much for anyone to seriously look
> at a cash sale. And their stick value is ungodly. If
> anything, they will be swapped, not sold.
>
> > Hell, I may be way off base, but it sure is fun to
> > speculate! Isn't that why we play the lottery?!?
>
> I have my ticket! Every week!
>
> Flame on...
> >
> > daddy-o
> >
> Delta-king
Great stuff here, DK!
One more here....
Remember 'RVR had their Solid Gold Sunday deal. They were the kings of the weekend. Dominant! 20 shares. Then, we had the conga line of Oldies stations rumble through the market. No one ever caught traction.
Novelty fun things in this market are just that. Novelty formats don't work in this market. We are a meat and potatoes market. Pure and simple. Jack won't fly. Infinity, Entercom, Dr. Flinn (o.k....he doesn't count)...if they put the money in and do the research, they will figure it out.
Fun stuff on the weekend. Won't bank during the week. May work for a couple of books. But, in the stretch, it will go down like the Titanic.
My 2 cents...
The "Bloodbath", and it's implications.
I seriously doubt that 100 will be "Jack" anytime soon. DeltaKing brings a good point, in that the format itself couldn't improve the numbers for them, at least in women. That being said, WCBS dumping 33 years of branding, in favor of a "Jockless" format in the number 1 market in the country, is fairly scary. When one NY paper called it a "Bloodbath", that's an event.
A good subject to ponder, is the future of "Oldies" in this world of radio. "Oldies" has not been too much of a format here, and it appears to have evolved into 70's and 80's base. Obviously that's not news, but, when Infinity has devoted this much into an almost literal, format in a box, is Oldies a dead format? Can "JackFM" really sustain longterm? Would a "Jack" like format be effectively blocked, by the "Whatever" Weekend here in Memphis?
Can anyone employed in radio, not feel a little less secure, after at station like WCBS makes a move like that? A jockless FM in New York City, regardless of the motivations, is pretty scary... CFKane
I seriously doubt that 100 will be "Jack" anytime soon. DeltaKing brings a good point, in that the format itself couldn't improve the numbers for them, at least in women. That being said, WCBS dumping 33 years of branding, in favor of a "Jockless" format in the number 1 market in the country, is fairly scary. When one NY paper called it a "Bloodbath", that's an event.
A good subject to ponder, is the future of "Oldies" in this world of radio. "Oldies" has not been too much of a format here, and it appears to have evolved into 70's and 80's base. Obviously that's not news, but, when Infinity has devoted this much into an almost literal, format in a box, is Oldies a dead format? Can "JackFM" really sustain longterm? Would a "Jack" like format be effectively blocked, by the "Whatever" Weekend here in Memphis?
Can anyone employed in radio, not feel a little less secure, after at station like WCBS makes a move like that? A jockless FM in New York City, regardless of the motivations, is pretty scary... CFKane
Re: The "Bloodbath", and it's implications.
> A good subject to ponder, is the future of "Oldies" in this
> world of radio. "Oldies" has not been too much of a format
> here, and it appears to have evolved into 70's and 80's
> base.
The problem with a traditional oldies format is simply a matter of numbers. Let's say you are right in the target musically (which is different than demographically). You would have been born in about 1950. That means this year, you will celebrate your 54th birthday. Now, do the math, what demo are you in NEXT year?
Simply put, the traditional oldies format is dead. The death of CBS-FM merely is the obituary. The format has been stiff for quite some time.
> Would a "Jack" like format be effectively
> blocked, by the "Whatever" Weekend here in Memphis?
No, but I am not sure that is the point. If FM100, or any other station were really, really concerned about the format, they would do it themselves. Heck, 94.1 would have done it a month ago. It may well be that FM100 is simply attempting to plant its flag on the beach of deep playlists and variety. That way, the logic would go, when Jack does arrive, the "Oh, wow" factor of a deep list with songs by the likes of Milli Vanilli (spelling?) will be somewhat blunted. My previous posting using the word "preempt" may have been slighly strong. The aim is something just short of preemption. 100 could, of course, stick Jack on 92.9 and be done with it; it's better to attack one's self than have someone else do it.
> Can anyone employed in radio, not feel a little less secure,
> after at station like WCBS makes a move like that? A
> jockless FM in New York City, regardless of the motivations,
> is pretty scary...
That goes to a previous string a week or so back. Like it or not, guys, the business has changed. These things can and will happen. So, listen, learn, adapt. The future of journeyman air talent is unclear. There will always be room for big talent, but the B+ disc jockies of the world (guys like me) need to look in new areas if they want security.
Oh, and thank goodness CBS-FM isn't owned by Clear Channel. We need not go down the road of beating up on them in this case!
OK, enough of that.
DE
> A good subject to ponder, is the future of "Oldies" in this
> world of radio. "Oldies" has not been too much of a format
> here, and it appears to have evolved into 70's and 80's
> base.
The problem with a traditional oldies format is simply a matter of numbers. Let's say you are right in the target musically (which is different than demographically). You would have been born in about 1950. That means this year, you will celebrate your 54th birthday. Now, do the math, what demo are you in NEXT year?
Simply put, the traditional oldies format is dead. The death of CBS-FM merely is the obituary. The format has been stiff for quite some time.
> Would a "Jack" like format be effectively
> blocked, by the "Whatever" Weekend here in Memphis?
No, but I am not sure that is the point. If FM100, or any other station were really, really concerned about the format, they would do it themselves. Heck, 94.1 would have done it a month ago. It may well be that FM100 is simply attempting to plant its flag on the beach of deep playlists and variety. That way, the logic would go, when Jack does arrive, the "Oh, wow" factor of a deep list with songs by the likes of Milli Vanilli (spelling?) will be somewhat blunted. My previous posting using the word "preempt" may have been slighly strong. The aim is something just short of preemption. 100 could, of course, stick Jack on 92.9 and be done with it; it's better to attack one's self than have someone else do it.
> Can anyone employed in radio, not feel a little less secure,
> after at station like WCBS makes a move like that? A
> jockless FM in New York City, regardless of the motivations,
> is pretty scary...
That goes to a previous string a week or so back. Like it or not, guys, the business has changed. These things can and will happen. So, listen, learn, adapt. The future of journeyman air talent is unclear. There will always be room for big talent, but the B+ disc jockies of the world (guys like me) need to look in new areas if they want security.
Oh, and thank goodness CBS-FM isn't owned by Clear Channel. We need not go down the road of beating up on them in this case!
OK, enough of that.
DE
Re: So much for 'heratige' [sic] stations...
> > Good points made by Dead Elvis...However, think about this
> scenario: We're so focused on FM-100 and 94.1 The Buzz going
> "Jack"...that we've missed the most obvious possible Jack
> station....Q-107.5....Check the facts...FM-100 and Buzz are
> making money for their respective companies, they are both
> sharply imaged to their listeners. They are both solid, well
> entrenched stations in the market...On the other hand: Q-107
> has never had good ratings since they signed on...they are
> not making any money for Flinn (probably losing money after
> jock salaries & too large a promotion staff for a market
> this size) and they do not deliver a desirable listener
> demographic for the agencies....Ok, think now...which
> station would you flip.....DUH!!!!
> >
>
but would flinn pay for the name..jack is basically leased out radio. you pay. they program. and you get the jack name..<P ID="signature">______________
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> > Good points made by Dead Elvis...However, think about this
> scenario: We're so focused on FM-100 and 94.1 The Buzz going
> "Jack"...that we've missed the most obvious possible Jack
> station....Q-107.5....Check the facts...FM-100 and Buzz are
> making money for their respective companies, they are both
> sharply imaged to their listeners. They are both solid, well
> entrenched stations in the market...On the other hand: Q-107
> has never had good ratings since they signed on...they are
> not making any money for Flinn (probably losing money after
> jock salaries & too large a promotion staff for a market
> this size) and they do not deliver a desirable listener
> demographic for the agencies....Ok, think now...which
> station would you flip.....DUH!!!!
> >
>
but would flinn pay for the name..jack is basically leased out radio. you pay. they program. and you get the jack name..<P ID="signature">______________
deep tracks xm 40 for those who arent single minded</P>
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FMSales
Guest
Re: So much for 'heratige' [sic] stations...
> but would flinn pay for the name..jack is basically leased
> out radio. you pay. they program. and you get the jack
> name..
Are you kidding? He woud probably flip and name it after himself. "George Radio 107.5!" Can you dig it?
> but would flinn pay for the name..jack is basically leased
> out radio. you pay. they program. and you get the jack
> name..
Are you kidding? He woud probably flip and name it after himself. "George Radio 107.5!" Can you dig it?
Re: So much for 'heratige' [sic] stations...
> > but would flinn pay for the name..jack is basically leased
>
> > out radio. you pay. they program. and you get the jack
> > name..
>
> Are you kidding? He woud probably flip and name it after
> himself. "George Radio 107.5!" Can you dig it?
>
i was thinking flinn 107.5...<P ID="signature">______________
deep tracks xm 40 for those who arent single minded</P>
> > but would flinn pay for the name..jack is basically leased
>
> > out radio. you pay. they program. and you get the jack
> > name..
>
> Are you kidding? He woud probably flip and name it after
> himself. "George Radio 107.5!" Can you dig it?
>
i was thinking flinn 107.5...
<P ID="signature">______________deep tracks xm 40 for those who arent single minded</P>
Re: The "Bloodbath", and it's implications.
> I seriously doubt that 100 will be "Jack" anytime soon.
> DeltaKing brings a good point, in that the format itself
> couldn't improve the numbers for them, at least in women.
> That being said, WCBS dumping 33 years of branding, in favor
> of a "Jockless" format in the number 1 market in the
> country, is fairly scary. When one NY paper called it a
> "Bloodbath", that's an event.
>
> A good subject to ponder, is the future of "Oldies" in this
> world of radio. "Oldies" has not been too much of a format
> here, and it appears to have evolved into 70's and 80's
> base. Obviously that's not news, but, when Infinity has
> devoted this much into an almost literal, format in a box,
> is Oldies a dead format? Can "JackFM" really sustain
> longterm? Would a "Jack" like format be effectively
> blocked, by the "Whatever" Weekend here in Memphis?
>
> Can anyone employed in radio, not feel a little less secure,
> after at station like WCBS makes a move like that? A
> jockless FM in New York City, regardless of the motivations,
> is pretty scary... CFKane
So do you spend anytime on showprep or your station duties?
Or do you spend all of your time trying to convince us how much you know about radio?
>
> I seriously doubt that 100 will be "Jack" anytime soon.
> DeltaKing brings a good point, in that the format itself
> couldn't improve the numbers for them, at least in women.
> That being said, WCBS dumping 33 years of branding, in favor
> of a "Jockless" format in the number 1 market in the
> country, is fairly scary. When one NY paper called it a
> "Bloodbath", that's an event.
>
> A good subject to ponder, is the future of "Oldies" in this
> world of radio. "Oldies" has not been too much of a format
> here, and it appears to have evolved into 70's and 80's
> base. Obviously that's not news, but, when Infinity has
> devoted this much into an almost literal, format in a box,
> is Oldies a dead format? Can "JackFM" really sustain
> longterm? Would a "Jack" like format be effectively
> blocked, by the "Whatever" Weekend here in Memphis?
>
> Can anyone employed in radio, not feel a little less secure,
> after at station like WCBS makes a move like that? A
> jockless FM in New York City, regardless of the motivations,
> is pretty scary... CFKane
So do you spend anytime on showprep or your station duties?
Or do you spend all of your time trying to convince us how much you know about radio?
>
Re: The "Bloodbath", and it's implications.
> So do you spend anytime on showprep or your station duties?
> Or do you spend all of your time trying to convince us how
> much you know about radio?
Well, since you ask, I work 10 to 12 hours 5 days a week, just here. That does include a load of duties, I doubt you could even begin to comprehend. (Seeing as you are probably working all those gigs with the MG's...) If my opinions bore you, to the point that you write what you did, Don't read it.
Seriously, like I am the only person on this board you can say that about. The question is, do you even have a show to prep for? (Don't know you, so I have to wonder.) My 100+ posts pale in comparison to others here, so tell me, BookerT, what does my position do to piss you off? I don't claim to be a radio expert, by any stretch of the imagination. I do claim to have an opinion, and do like to post here. If you don't like it, don't read it.
Trying to convince anyone of my expertise in radio here, no need, most of the readers know who I am, know I am a smartass, and judge me accordingly, no expertise credentials required! What's your excuse? If you are a WORKING professional, who does know something, (other than who I am)Share with the rest of the class. Otherwise, stop judging me, based on my ability to multitask. You don't like my opinion, say so, you don't like me, say so, live up to the name "Mr T." Next... CFKane
> So do you spend anytime on showprep or your station duties?
> Or do you spend all of your time trying to convince us how
> much you know about radio?
Well, since you ask, I work 10 to 12 hours 5 days a week, just here. That does include a load of duties, I doubt you could even begin to comprehend. (Seeing as you are probably working all those gigs with the MG's...) If my opinions bore you, to the point that you write what you did, Don't read it.
Seriously, like I am the only person on this board you can say that about. The question is, do you even have a show to prep for? (Don't know you, so I have to wonder.) My 100+ posts pale in comparison to others here, so tell me, BookerT, what does my position do to piss you off? I don't claim to be a radio expert, by any stretch of the imagination. I do claim to have an opinion, and do like to post here. If you don't like it, don't read it.
Trying to convince anyone of my expertise in radio here, no need, most of the readers know who I am, know I am a smartass, and judge me accordingly, no expertise credentials required! What's your excuse? If you are a WORKING professional, who does know something, (other than who I am)Share with the rest of the class. Otherwise, stop judging me, based on my ability to multitask. You don't like my opinion, say so, you don't like me, say so, live up to the name "Mr T." Next... CFKane
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buckrogers
Guest
Re: The "Bloodbath", and it's implications.
> > So do you spend anytime on showprep or your station
> duties?
> > Or do you spend all of your time trying to convince us how
>
> > much you know about radio?
>
>
> Well, since you ask, I work 10 to 12 hours 5 days a week,
> just here. That does include a load of duties, I doubt you
> could even begin to comprehend. (Seeing as you are probably
> working all those gigs with the MG's...) If my opinions
> bore you, to the point that you write what you did, Don't
> read it.
>
> Seriously, like I am the only person on this board you can
> say that about. The question is, do you even have a show to
> prep for? (Don't know you, so I have to wonder.) My 100+
> posts pale in comparison to others here, so tell me,
> BookerT, what does my position do to piss you off? I don't
> claim to be a radio expert, by any stretch of the
> imagination. I do claim to have an opinion, and do like to
> post here. If you don't like it, don't read it.
>
> Trying to convince anyone of my expertise in radio here, no
> need, most of the readers know who I am, know I am a
> smartass, and judge me accordingly, no expertise credentials
> required! What's your excuse? If you are a WORKING
> professional, who does know something, (other than who I
> am)Share with the rest of the class. Otherwise, stop
> judging me, based on my ability to multitask. You don't
> like my opinion, say so, you don't like me, say so, live up
> to the name "Mr T." Next... CFKane
>
As one of Larry's coworkers, He does his jobs very well. Notice I said JOBS! He is on air, music director, and does the web stuff around here too. He does all jobs to perfection. If he has time to post an educated post (unlike some around here, mine included) so what. He's a modern day DaVinci in his ability to multi-task around here(for those who don't know DaVinci could write a letter with one hand and paint with the other at the same time)
The King of Useless Information
Buck Rogers
> > So do you spend anytime on showprep or your station
> duties?
> > Or do you spend all of your time trying to convince us how
>
> > much you know about radio?
>
>
> Well, since you ask, I work 10 to 12 hours 5 days a week,
> just here. That does include a load of duties, I doubt you
> could even begin to comprehend. (Seeing as you are probably
> working all those gigs with the MG's...) If my opinions
> bore you, to the point that you write what you did, Don't
> read it.
>
> Seriously, like I am the only person on this board you can
> say that about. The question is, do you even have a show to
> prep for? (Don't know you, so I have to wonder.) My 100+
> posts pale in comparison to others here, so tell me,
> BookerT, what does my position do to piss you off? I don't
> claim to be a radio expert, by any stretch of the
> imagination. I do claim to have an opinion, and do like to
> post here. If you don't like it, don't read it.
>
> Trying to convince anyone of my expertise in radio here, no
> need, most of the readers know who I am, know I am a
> smartass, and judge me accordingly, no expertise credentials
> required! What's your excuse? If you are a WORKING
> professional, who does know something, (other than who I
> am)Share with the rest of the class. Otherwise, stop
> judging me, based on my ability to multitask. You don't
> like my opinion, say so, you don't like me, say so, live up
> to the name "Mr T." Next... CFKane
>
As one of Larry's coworkers, He does his jobs very well. Notice I said JOBS! He is on air, music director, and does the web stuff around here too. He does all jobs to perfection. If he has time to post an educated post (unlike some around here, mine included) so what. He's a modern day DaVinci in his ability to multi-task around here(for those who don't know DaVinci could write a letter with one hand and paint with the other at the same time)
The King of Useless Information
Buck Rogers
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classicradionut
Guest
Re: The "Bloodbath", and it's implications.
Hey Buck - you planning on nominating Kane to Pope Benedict for sainthood?
-you know who
> >
> As one of Larry's coworkers, He does his jobs very well.
> Notice I said JOBS! He is on air, music director, and does
> the web stuff around here too. He does all jobs to
> perfection. If he has time to post an educated post (unlike
> some around here, mine included) so what. He's a modern day
> DaVinci in his ability to multi-task around here(for those
> who don't know DaVinci could write a letter with one hand
> and paint with the other at the same time)
> The King of Useless Information
> Buck Rogers
> <P ID="signature">______________
Airchexx.com - The Best Radio Ever Recorded!</P>
Hey Buck - you planning on nominating Kane to Pope Benedict for sainthood?
-you know who
> >
> As one of Larry's coworkers, He does his jobs very well.
> Notice I said JOBS! He is on air, music director, and does
> the web stuff around here too. He does all jobs to
> perfection. If he has time to post an educated post (unlike
> some around here, mine included) so what. He's a modern day
> DaVinci in his ability to multi-task around here(for those
> who don't know DaVinci could write a letter with one hand
> and paint with the other at the same time)
> The King of Useless Information
> Buck Rogers
> <P ID="signature">______________
Airchexx.com - The Best Radio Ever Recorded!</P>
C
classicradionut
Guest
Re: The "Bloodbath", and it's implications.
> > Hey Buck - you planning on nominating Kane to Pope
> Benedict
> > for sainthood?
> >
> > -you know who
>
> God, i hope not! I think the lightning would never cease...
> CFKane
>
I think a tornado warning would suffice<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
> > Hey Buck - you planning on nominating Kane to Pope
> Benedict
> > for sainthood?
> >
> > -you know who
>
> God, i hope not! I think the lightning would never cease...
> CFKane
>
I think a tornado warning would suffice
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