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So what do you call it?

"Standards" stations seem to be pretty hard to define these days. I've also found that people tend to react negatively when you mention the word. They seem to think of Geritol and nursing homes which isn’t a pretty image.

Since my station doesn't really fit in what a lot of people are expecting when you say "Standards" I've been pondering the question. There must be a better (more marketable) way to describe it. How about "Soft Oldies?" Just a thought....
 
What's a soft oldie? "Yellow Submarine" is the first thing that comes to mind for me. It seems to me like a subset of the 50s/60s/70s rock format, which is probably not what you're looking for. For me, standards is a pop-based format, maybe with a few rock songs thrown in for variety.

I'm not sure if I was indoctrinated by the "Timeless Favorites" format, but I liked that brand quite a bit. (The only standards stations ever in my area carried Timeless) Of course, the trademark is probably still held by Citadel Media.

"Adult Standards" is definitely a weak brand, but I think soft oldies is too. Some other thoughts:
- Your Parents' Pop / Mature Pop
- EZ (frequency)
- Frank FM (referencing Sinatra)
 
I like the EZ label and have since it was used in Philly a couple of decades ago. "EZ101" was a top rated station.

"Frank"-frequency would be a great idea.
 
Chuck said:
"Standards" stations seem to be pretty hard to define these days.

Chuck: I click on your stream from time to time, and I have NEVER had an event when I said to myself: "What am I listening to THIS for? I'm out of here."

I have always enjoyed it... no matter what you call it. Had I assembled such a library, mine would be different. Flying Dutchman has a sound that I describe the same way. Yet the two of you program a bit differently.

Could these two stations wave the same "banner" to describe themselves? They could. It seems that whatever you call it, the name will get stale in six to eight years... not because you do it wrong, or because the name is bad, but because as we all age a bit, the generation behind the current generation turns their nose up at established, mature branding names.

The term "Frank" speaks to many of us with a positive vibe. Just sitting here I am thinking we could play a lot of standards under the banner of "Chet". How about "Seasoned Oak". That one won't grab very many people but I think I could sit down today and hammer out 50 short 'positioning statements' that would quietly cement "Seasoned Oak" into the minds of even the occasional listeners. But one or two words that need no explanation.... as they say in the commercials... the would be PRICELESS.
 
PTBoardOp94 said:
What's a soft oldie? "Yellow Submarine" is the first thing that comes to mind for me. It seems to me like a subset of the 50s/60s/70s rock format, which is probably not what you're looking for. For me, standards is a pop-based format, maybe with a few rock songs thrown in for variety.

I would never have thought to associate the name with Yellow Submarine, but then different people react differently. I can't think of any rock songs that fit in the format, although an occasional folk or pop song seems to work.

That said, I just had a very irate listener call in berating me for playing James Taylor's "Mexico." You can't please everyone.

But I agree, I don’t like the name “Soft Oldies” either. Nor do I like “Adult Standards.” It sounds out of touch with the modern world.

We brand ourselves as “Unforgettable QX-FM.” From a station branding point of view, the “Unforgettable” part pretty well sums it up, but when somebody asks “What’s your format?” it doesn’t let them know what you play. Maybe “Unforgettable Favorites?”

Of course when most of this stuff was new, it was called “MOR” or Middle-of-the Road.” Most people seemed to know what that meant.
 
Its the 21st Century and GREEN is in.

A station where the Evergreens thrive.


[ I don't know that EVERGREEN is a commonly used term in music today but I have heard it through the years to describe the kind of music we are all talking about here: something that is familiar, something UNFORGETTABLE, something that makes the room smell as good as the presence of a freshly cut Christmas tree.

To my taste, evergreens from several genre can be worked into playlist. There some Country Evergreens that blend right in with Sinatra or maybe Al Hirt.
 
Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:
Its the 21st Century and GREEN is in.

A station where the Evergreens thrive.


[ I don't know that EVERGREEN is a commonly used term in music today but I have heard it through the years to describe the kind of music we are all talking about here: <snip> There some Country Evergreens that blend right in with Sinatra or maybe Al Hirt.

You make a good point. It's a good way to describe it. I don’t know if it would catch on or not.

There are quite a few country songs that fit very well in the format. They were huge cross-over hits in their day and every station played them when they were new. There is no reason they should not get airplay today.
 
jhguthlac said:
I like the EZ label and have since it was used in Philly a couple of decades ago. "EZ101" was a top rated station.

"Frank"-frequency would be a great idea.

"Frank" is already used by a couple of classic rock stations here in Northern New England. I don't know if it is a copyrighted trademark or not. But trust me; it does NOT refer to Frank Sinatra.

I prefer "unforgettable favorites". Or "the best music of all time". Or "NOT your kids' music!!!"
 
Why do (some) formats get people's names like "Frank" or "Chet", anyway? Is there something subtle I'm missing here?

ixnay
 
The only standards stations ever in my area carried Timeless) Of course, the trademark is probably still held by Citadel Media.

I dunno about that. WLYK 102.7 Cape Vincent, NY (which operates as a Canadian station) [a former "Timeless" afiliiate] has not only stuck with the timeless format (more-or-less), following Citadel's hatchet job but continues to use BOTH the verbal "Timeless Favorites" moniker AND all the jingles & bumpers originally supplied to the afilliates. :-\
 
There is so much more variety to Adult Standards than just Frank Sinatra. IMHO it shortchanges the genre by shortening the brand to simply "Frank".

"Unforgettable" seems to pigeon-hole Nat King Cole in much the same way and also ignores the many other performers who made this genre great.

An accurate description seems to be Adult Classics (not to be confused with Oldies or teen classics) although as the audience ages the meaning may well change. But then, although I am not yet in their target demo, "The Greatest Music of Your Life" also sounded pretty descriptive to me and I had no problem being associated with music a generation older than me.

It may be time to ignore the market consultants and brand according to the target audience, growing it without apology. If it was good enough for my parents it is good enough for me. And to the hip-hoppers - it's still the best dance music ever performed.
 
This is a great question, Chuck, and I wouldn’t even try to suggest an answer.

30-40 years ago, I remember that the word “standards” –as understood by grown-ups and used outside of a radio context – had a very specific meaning. “Oh, I really enjoy the old standards,” spoken kind of wistfully, referred to that genre of songs written by Cole Porter, Irving Berlin, Harold Arlen & Johnny Mercer, Sammy Cahn & Jimmy Van Heusen, Dorothy Fields, et al. “Standards” were performed by Sinatra, Ella, Nat, Tony Bennett, June Christy, Jo Stafford, Keely Smith and other giants of the era. Today, standards are also performed by new, young artists like Michael Buble and Diana Krall.

Those are “standards” to this 57 year old.

Today, for many radio folks, “standards” includes the songs of Neil Diamond, Anne Murray, the Carpenters, Bread and other core artists of 70’s era soft AC. For some, it even reaches into more modern 80s and 90s soft rock performers. Personally, I will never classify songs by these artists as “standards.”

Adult Standards” is a radio-concocted term, never used by real world people. Even in radio, it’s a format descriptor for the industry, but not really used on the air.

I’d hesitate to use any age-based word to market a format to listeners. Rock fans of the Zepplin and Grand Funk Railroad era are now in their 50’s – well into “adult” land.

“Timeless,” “Evergreen,” “Music of Your Life,” all sound nice and warm and fuzzy. I’d say, however, to the average American music radio listener, none of these descriptors could tell them what kind of music a station played, if they’d never heard the station.

Around 2002, I had the real pleasure of working on-air at a station that played exclusively the music described in my second paragraph above. We used the slogan “Home of the Great American Songbook.” It was absolutely accurate, because that music is correctly identified as such, even outside of radio. I wondered, however, if the casual listener who discovered us when hitting the scan button would get it – even if they did like the songs.

WNEW in New York – the big kahuna of standards stations in the 70’s, 80’s and up ‘til about 1992 – for a while used the lyrical identifier “WNEW 1130 – Where the Melody Lingers On.” Just beautiful! Props to Irving Berlin.

I still don’t know what to call it today. My best suggestion is to forget marketing, forget cleverness and forget trying to be cute. Say your call letters with pride, give the dial position often, and be sure your on-air hosts present the music with passion and joy. The listeners will remember you.

Nick Gerard
 
I completely agree with Nick Gerard. I always thought it would be a neat idea to put up a billboard for a station with this format that simply said the following...

"Remember When You Heard Good Music On Your Radio? Hear It Again On [call letters/frequency]."

A standard to me is Nat King Cole's "The Very Thought Of You" or Doris Day's "It's Magic." Definitely not Anne Murray or the Carpenters. I would put those core Soft AC 70s-era artists with the sounds of Michael Buble, Diana Krall, and Rod Stewart's Great American Songbook releases, along with the MOR hits from the '50s & '60s by Como and Mathis, mix in some melodious rock like the Moody Blues, and call it all "Easy Contemporary." At no time would I ever use 'Adult' in any description of this music.

And Chuck, I think a song like "Mexico" by James Taylor should remain in your format to keep it (relatively) fresh and updated. (Maybe play it back to back with the instrumental hit "Mexico" by Bob Moore.) You'll probably keep or gain many more listeners than lose the one who complained about it.
 
Good thoughts, EZway2go.

I would offer one possible suggestion. On the billboard I would not use the term "good music". In my memory I think that term has be a "format word" at one time to suggest music that is just short of light classics. If it were MY billboard it might say "enjoyable music".

My attraction to radio is small market radio. And I have this concept that many radio people see as a bit wacko.... that the other programming ingredients of information and news are primary and the music is then slightly secondary.

Thus My billboard would probably read: "If Wxxx were a restaurant... the sign out front would say Home Cooking."
 
RBW said:
The only standards stations ever in my area carried Timeless) Of course, the trademark is probably still held by Citadel Media.

I dunno about that. WLYK 102.7 Cape Vincent, NY (which operates as a Canadian station) [a former "Timeless" afiliiate] has not only stuck with the timeless format (more-or-less), following Citadel's hatchet job but continues to use BOTH the verbal "Timeless Favorites" moniker AND all the jingles & bumpers originally supplied to the afilliates. :-\
My Dial Global station, in addition to the "America's Best Music" jingles, is still using 'Unforgettable Favorites" jingles and calling itself "Memories" followed by the dial position.

Just this morning I heard Dinah Washington's "Unforgettable". It reminded me of when Timeless Classics used to use different versions of the song, including both her backup singers and Ms. Washington at different times, in one station ID. I don't know if this is a trend, but Dial Global was leaning more toward real standards than usual thios morning. Jeff Rollins did not do "Big Bands Remembered", though. I'd miss that if they took it off.

No, nothing's changed. "Let It Be" was played and it still sounds completely out of place. On the other hand, "Help Me Rhonda" was on the local morning show when I came inside from mowing the grass.
 
EZway2go said:
I would put those core Soft AC 70s-era artists with the sounds of Michael Buble, Diana Krall, and Rod Stewart's Great American Songbook releases, along with the MOR hits from the '50s & '60s by Como and Mathis, mix in some melodious rock like the Moody Blues, and call it all "Easy Contemporary." At no time would I ever use 'Adult' in any description of this music.
The word "contemporary" wouldn't work. It's not contemporary. And definitely leave The Moody Blues out of it. That sounds like something the late Timeless Favorites would do.
 
Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:
If it were MY billboard it might say "enjoyable music".

Ha! Good one. Or how about just "Remember When You Heard Music On Your Radio... Bring Back The Memories!"

Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:
My attraction to radio is small market radio. And I have this concept that many radio people see as a bit wacko.... that the other programming ingredients of information and news are primary and the music is then slightly secondary.

Thus My billboard would probably read: "If Wxxx were a restaurant... the sign out front would say Home Cooking."

Whenever I travel, I like to stumble upon those old-fashioned stations that still read the obituary notices.

vchimpanzee said:
And definitely leave The Moody Blues out of it. That sounds like something the late Timeless Favorites would do.

Of course, something like "Question" or "Gemini Dream" wouldn't cut it, not even "Nights In White Satin" (too ethereal and heavily orchestrated), but tracks like "Driftwood," "Forever Autumn," and a couple from the Seventh Sojourn album, "For My Lady" and "Land Of Make Believe" fit in nicely. I have these on my mp3 player right along with Percy Faith and James Last instrumentals. It's fun rediscovering songs off my old albums... Seek and ye shall find. What may had been cutting-edge 35 years ago can be downright soothing by today's standards.
 
Nick Gerard said:
I still don’t know what to call it today. My best suggestion is to forget marketing, forget cleverness and forget trying to be cute. Say your call letters with pride, give the dial position often, and be sure your on-air hosts present the music with passion and joy. The listeners will remember you.

Nick Gerard

I think I'm pretty much in agreement with Nick. On the air, we NEVER say "Adult Standards." I figure people either like what they hear, or they don't. They really don’t need us to describe the experience. If they've never heard a song before, then it is still new to them. As long as it's great music, then it is still worth listening to, no matter when it was recorded.

I guess my original question is more about how you describe yourself when you are talking to a prospective advertiser or maybe a potential new listener. We recently had a booth at a local food fair, and had lots of traffic come by. I was amazed at how many people came up and said "I love your station." That was gratifying, but some people came up and asked "What do you play?" Depending on their age, I frequently tell them "The music you grew up with that you'd forgotten you liked." Sometimes that works, but I usually have to go into more detail.

I guess I'm looking for a shortcut description.
 
vchimpanzee said:
Chuck said:
That said, I just had a very irate listener call in berating me for playing James Taylor's "Mexico." You can't please everyone.
I thought you didn't do that sort of thing.

Well, I don't play it as a rule, but I was listening to a Tony Bennett and James Taylor duet that we do play, and thought maybe a couple of James' other songs would work too. He is a talented guy, whom I've always liked. He's been known to play with symphonies, so I think there is a good argument that he is a worthwhile contributor to American music.

The guy on the other end of the phone certainly wasn't amused.... I think I may put "Mexico" into a double rotation, just to irritate the guy. Incidentally, the caller is in his 30's.
 
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