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So What will they do

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babeontheair

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It seemed that for years and the all consuming passion for the buzz was to hate the revolution. They preached it inside the station and out. I remember when some of the buzz crew showed up a crowbar and caught a rev banner on fire with a lighter right in front of the bouncer. Not the brightest one of the bunch. Now its turned to a QWK/BUZZ battle. I just looked at a five year old R&R article that was congratulating Revolution for tying a station in Bryant Station Texas as “the highest rated alternative station in the country” Seems to me we all can agree that that format has lost all its ground and is a loser. Buzz never had the signal to compete with the rev. The on air staff were all people that left rev for one reason or another. The sounded close for years, you just could not get the buzz except in the mountains, while you could pick up rev on the moon. Will buzz switch the music to try to compete? Will the translator they are putting in be that big of a deal?
 
> It seemed that for years and the all consuming passion for
> the buzz was to hate the revolution. They preached it inside
> the station and out. I remember when some of the buzz crew
> showed up a crowbar and caught a rev banner on fire with a
> lighter right in front of the bouncer. Not the brightest one
> of the bunch. Now its turned to a QWK/BUZZ battle. I just
> looked at a five year old R&R article that was
> congratulating Revolution for tying a station in Bryant
> Station Texas as “the highest rated alternative station in
> the country” Seems to me we all can agree that that format
> has lost all its ground and is a loser. Buzz never had the
> signal to compete with the rev. The on air staff were all
> people that left rev for one reason or another. The sounded
> close for years, you just could not get the buzz except in
> the mountains, while you could pick up rev on the moon. Will
> buzz switch the music to try to compete? Will the
> translator they are putting in be that big of a deal?
>
the good thing is that radio people, in or out of the business always have some great ideas.....the folks giving some suggestions on breaks and vocal cadence are all helpful....when was the last time a cluster PD had the time to do a air check critique?.......I know when I worked in Miami we met with the PD every other week for a show review......also i think radio people understand radio people.....the input and the discussions are healthy and positive
 
> It seemed that for years and the all consuming passion for
> the buzz was to hate the revolution. They preached it inside
> the station and out. I remember when some of the buzz crew
> showed up a crowbar and caught a rev banner on fire with a
> lighter right in front of the bouncer. Not the brightest one
> of the bunch. Now its turned to a QWK/BUZZ battle. I just
> looked at a five year old R&R article that was
> congratulating Revolution for tying a station in Bryant
> Station Texas as “the highest rated alternative station in
> the country” Seems to me we all can agree that that format
> has lost all its ground and is a loser. Buzz never had the
> signal to compete with the rev. The on air staff were all
> people that left rev for one reason or another. The sounded
> close for years, you just could not get the buzz except in
> the mountains, while you could pick up rev on the moon. Will
> buzz switch the music to try to compete? Will the
> translator they are putting in be that big of a deal?
>
From what I understand, The Buzz is not gonna change the music at all. They feel confident in the fact that they haven't changed(air staff unincluded) in like 7 years...while most have. Whether it be music or frequency.

The problem has been signal mostly. They have thousands of listners everyday online as well. There are listeners in MAJOR markets that like the format better than their radio stations. The translator going up is going to finally position the Buzz to be a huge player in the State College market. It will no doubt be the strongest signal in the State College metro...period. I'm excited to see what's gonna happen.
 
Well Greg thats since you work at the buzz. I like your other job more -the view is better there! Lets face it that format is dead. Thats why you get the "thousands" of listeners online nobody in any big market has any faith in Alternative any more. I kinda think you might be streching it with "thousands" too there bud. How does one of LMs friends in Iowa listening make your station better anyway? Thank God the new owners got rid of Laura in the morning . Even at Alternatives high water mark Buzz didnt even put a scratch in any of the State College stations rating wise or sales wise. You know that Buzz was as agressive as any station could be.In my opinion sometimes downright dirty. Now that Rev moved to a popular music format Buzz cant even focus on them to hate. Good for them too, a monster like that should be there. QWK is a State College staple. They have been in the rock format forever and the addition of Bob and Tom will play out well for them. It is a low cost high ratings machine. Magnum cant/wont throw money at the problems at buzz forever, bad choice of words there I guess. I just dont see that they can shove a dying format down the throats of anybody. Its dead except for two or three pale and skinny 14 year old boys smoking behind the unimart in Philipburg. You know the ones wearing all black and bitter at the world.
 
I am not trying to be rude but buzz has been stuck with a dead format. You do not see alot of stations on with it anywhere. They all migrated to formats that had wider appeal. I thinks its great you like your station. I just dont see how the poor sales reps can go every day out and hear no over and over. It would be a hard sell. Again dont get me wrong here. I enjoyed the music years ago when everybody else did and it was hot, but its time is over. Why not active? Why not Rock? the apeal would be ten fold.

A one watt translator is no going to cure anything. Buzz has been waiting for that translator for years, like it was the second coming of Jesus. Its not. QWK and Rev both have had translators in Altoona and get nothing out of the town. Froggy put the lttle frog on for years to draw cash out of State College and finally gave up on it.
 
> Well Greg thats since you work at the buzz. I like your
> other job more -the view is better there! Lets face it that
> format is dead. Thats why you get the "thousands" of
> listeners online nobody in any big market has any faith in
> Alternative any more. I kinda think you might be streching
> it with "thousands" too there bud. How does one of LMs
> friends in Iowa listening make your station better anyway?
> Thank God the new owners got rid of Laura in the morning .
> Even at Alternatives high water mark Buzz didnt even put a
> scratch in any of the State College stations rating wise or
> sales wise. You know that Buzz was as agressive as any
> station could be.In my opinion sometimes downright dirty.
> Now that Rev moved to a popular music format Buzz cant even
> focus on them to hate. Good for them too, a monster like
> that should be there. QWK is a State College staple. They
> have been in the rock format forever and the addition of Bob
> and Tom will play out well for them. It is a low cost high
> ratings machine. Magnum cant/wont throw money at the
> problems at buzz forever, bad choice of words there I guess.
> I just dont see that they can shove a dying format down the
> throats of anybody. Its dead except for two or three pale
> and skinny 14 year old boys smoking behind the unimart in
> Philipburg. You know the ones wearing all black and bitter
> at the world.
>

Ouch...hehehe. Well you have good points. I can see how the Alternative format is dead. But you should realize we aren't strait alternative...we are modern rock...a mix of the alternative hits, active rock hits, and chr rock hits. Multi million record selling core artists like Coldplay, Greenday, Foo Fighters, Soundgarden, Audioslave, 3 Doors Down....the list goes on. As far as the "hating the Rev" i've been here for over two years...and i know they WERE downright dirty, but that was before my time. As long as I've been here anyway, there hasn't been any "hatin" goin on...lol. We are one of the only stations that the Penn State facilty listens too as well...cause we are online...the PSU buildings don't allow alot of stations signals in. We've got a winners list a mile long that include those 14 year old pale skinny kids...hehehe...but we have 50 year old grandmas on that list too. The business list is just as impressive. I'm not trying to blowsmoke...these are facts. And I enjoy everyone's opinion...but I can't see how OUR format is dead.
 
Good for you Greg, I know that you were around for the early days of the Rev and sounded good on it. Glad you are still on the air somewhere. I am super glad that all the BS is done. I remember hearing some real horror stories about some strange goings on up there on the mountain. I do hope you guys consider opening up the format. Even if it looks dead there is room for it. Dont give up.
 
> I am not trying to be rude but buzz has been stuck with a
> dead format. You do not see alot of stations on with it
> anywhere. They all migrated to formats that had wider
> appeal. I thinks its great you like your station. I just
> dont see how the poor sales reps can go every day out and
> hear no over and over. It would be a hard sell. Again dont
> get me wrong here. I enjoyed the music years ago when
> everybody else did and it was hot, but its time is over. Why
> not active? Why not Rock? the apeal would be ten fold.
>
> A one watt translator is no going to cure anything. Buzz
> has been waiting for that translator for years, like it was
> the second coming of Jesus. Its not. QWK and Rev both have
> had translators in Altoona and get nothing out of the town.
> Froggy put the lttle frog on for years to draw cash out of
> State College and finally gave up on it.
>
The translator is actually 100 watts...lol. It's gonna boom pretty good. And the differance is...we are in this area. We will be moving into new facilites in the next month or so in State College.
 
Quick is ripe for the pickin'

Alternative had about a 3-year run in the early to mid-nineties, then faded away. Active Rock cherry-picked the best of the library and folded it in--and the audience liked it, and never went back. "Modern Rock" never HAS caught on, anywhere. Too light for most guys; too hard for most females--and too obscure for the P2 & P3 listeners. Can't agree that Quick's Bob & Tom move is brilliant. Way too old for the demo (though perfect for The Bus). But between the morning swap & the channel swap, Quick has given Buzz a great opening, and we'll probably see them pull much closer in the spring book. And the translator will help downtown & on campus. If Buzz management ever lets go of nineties thinking, they could emerge as the market's leading rock FM.

> Good for you Greg, I know that you were around for the early
> days of the Rev and sounded good on it. Glad you are still
> on the air somewhere. I am super glad that all the BS is
> done. I remember hearing some real horror stories about some
> strange goings on up there on the mountain. I do hope you
> guys consider opening up the format. Even if it looks dead
> there is room for it. Dont give up.
>
 
Well, its not a translator. Its a on channel booster and the problem is that ANY place that the primary or secondary signal is not perfect and exact the multipath will null the entire signal. This means one or two miles out the two signals will fight it out and every place the signal does not completely saturate you will lose signal entirely. It has been tried and taken off many places. Buzz is putting on two other translators in other towns. Sorry to burst your bubble. From the FCC web site:

Service Contour Requirements. The service contour of an FM booster facility must remain within the predicted service contour of the main station. For all booster stations relaying a noncommercial educational FM primary station, and for all boosters relaying a commercial FM primary station except Class B and B1 commercial stations), the 60 dBu (1 mV/m) F(50,50) contour of the booster facility must be wholly encompassed by the 60 dBu F(50,50) contour of the primary station. For booster stations relaying the programming of a Class B commercial FM station, the 54 dBu (0.5 mV/m) F(50,50) contour of the booster station must be encompassed by the 54 dBu F(50,50) contour of the primary station. For booster stations relaying the programming of a Class B1 commercial FM station, the 57 dBu (0.7 mV/m) F(50,50) contour of the booster station must be encompassed by the 57 dBu F(50,50) contour of the primary station. See CFR Section 74.1232(f). The distances to the primary station and booster station contours must be predicted using the standard method in 47 CFR Section 73.313.
 
> Well, its not a translator. Its a on channel booster and the
> problem is that ANY place that the primary or secondary
> signal is not perfect and exact the multipath will null the
> entire signal. This means one or two miles out the two
> signals will fight it out and every place the signal does
> not completely saturate you will lose signal entirely. It
> has been tried and taken off many places. Buzz is putting on
> two other translators in other towns. Sorry to burst your
> bubble. From the FCC web site:
>
> Service Contour Requirements. The service contour of an
> FM booster facility must remain within the predicted service
> contour of the main station. For all booster stations
> relaying a noncommercial educational FM primary station, and
> for all boosters relaying a commercial FM primary station
> except Class B and B1 commercial stations), the 60 dBu (1
> mV/m) F(50,50) contour of the booster facility must be
> wholly encompassed by the 60 dBu F(50,50) contour of the
> primary station. For booster stations relaying the
> programming of a Class B commercial FM station, the 54 dBu
> (0.5 mV/m) F(50,50) contour of the booster station must be
> encompassed by the 54 dBu F(50,50) contour of the primary
> station. For booster stations relaying the programming of a
> Class B1 commercial FM station, the 57 dBu (0.7 mV/m)
> F(50,50) contour of the booster station must be encompassed
> by the 57 dBu F(50,50) contour of the primary station. See
> CFR Section 74.1232(f). The distances to the primary station
> and booster station contours must be predicted using the
> standard method in 47 CFR Section 73.313.
>
huh...cool....thanks for the info...but i'm sure our engineer's got it all worked out. I have no idea what that technical stuff means...lol.
 
Re: Quick is ripe for the pickin'

Agreed, about Buzz not letting go of the nineties thinking but we all know that they wont. Magnum will get tired of loosing cash and clean house or sell within a year or two, mark my words. Quick just has to remain breathing and some die hards from years gone by will buy ads. You still see mullets dont you?


> Alternative had about a 3-year run in the early to
> mid-nineties, then faded away. Active Rock cherry-picked the
> best of the library and folded it in--and the audience liked
> it, and never went back. "Modern Rock" never HAS caught on,
> anywhere. Too light for most guys; too hard for most
> females--and too obscure for the P2 & P3 listeners. Can't
> agree that Quick's Bob & Tom move is brilliant. Way too old
> for the demo (though perfect for The Bus). But between the
> morning swap & the channel swap, Quick has given Buzz a
> great opening, and we'll probably see them pull much closer
> in the spring book. And the translator will help downtown &
> on campus. If Buzz management ever lets go of nineties
> thinking, they could emerge as the market's leading rock FM.
>
>
> > Good for you Greg, I know that you were around for the
> early
> > days of the Rev and sounded good on it. Glad you are
> still
> > on the air somewhere. I am super glad that all the BS is
> > done. I remember hearing some real horror stories about
> some
> > strange goings on up there on the mountain. I do hope you
> > guys consider opening up the format. Even if it looks dead
>
> > there is room for it. Dont give up.
> >
>
 
"We're not going to change the format AT ALL and no one's going to get fired!" is the third biggest lie of all time....right behind "check's in the mail" and "I won't *you know what* in your mouth!"


> > It seemed that for years and the all consuming passion for
>
> > the buzz was to hate the revolution. They preached it
> inside
> > the station and out. I remember when some of the buzz crew
>
> > showed up a crowbar and caught a rev banner on fire with a
>
> > lighter right in front of the bouncer. Not the brightest
> one
> > of the bunch. Now its turned to a QWK/BUZZ battle. I just
> > looked at a five year old R&R article that was
> > congratulating Revolution for tying a station in Bryant
> > Station Texas as “the highest rated alternative station in
>
> > the country” Seems to me we all can agree that that format
>
> > has lost all its ground and is a loser. Buzz never had
> the
> > signal to compete with the rev. The on air staff were all
> > people that left rev for one reason or another. The
> sounded
> > close for years, you just could not get the buzz except in
>
> > the mountains, while you could pick up rev on the moon.
> Will
> > buzz switch the music to try to compete? Will the
> > translator they are putting in be that big of a deal?
> >
> From what I understand, The Buzz is not gonna change the
> music at all. They feel confident in the fact that they
> haven't changed(air staff unincluded) in like 7
> years...while most have. Whether it be music or frequency.
>
> The problem has been signal mostly. They have thousands of
> listners everyday online as well. There are listeners in
> MAJOR markets that like the format better than their radio
> stations. The translator going up is going to finally
> position the Buzz to be a huge player in the State College
> market. It will no doubt be the strongest signal in the
> State College metro...period. I'm excited to see what's
> gonna happen.
>
 
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