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Songs that are overplayed

In the 70's the white rock and roll establishment had trouble including Black artist. It was a machismo, testerone laden, white suburban elitist movement and it was wrong! Obviously, some people never abandoned their old views. And , these old hippies continually say they were for civil rights. It's the biggest lie out there. All these white suburban hippies were sitting in their bedroom getting high listening to ELP. They never cared about Civil Rights! And the so called liberals have now become the Bush loving neo-con PTA attending Soccer dads and moms. They sold out and they were full of it to start with!
 
wangchung said:
Here's something to keep in mind:
Broadcasters need to remember that the average listener DOES NOT listen to the radio like we do.
....and they never did...they had Top 40 stations that satisfied their head....and we had AOR, which satisfied ours.
Now "we" don't have a commercial venue anymore, not to mention a station that plays classic rock and new stuff. Listeners today are very narrow minded due to a couple of generations of narrow programming. :'(
 
mcamp said:
wangchung said:
Here's something to keep in mind:
Broadcasters need to remember that the average listener DOES NOT listen to the radio like we do.
....and they never did...they had Top 40 stations that satisfied their head....and we had AOR, which satisfied ours.
Now "we" don't have a commercial venue anymore, not to mention a station that plays classic rock and new stuff. Listeners today are very narrow minded due to a couple of generations of narrow programming. :'(

AND WHY---- DON'T THEY GET IT ? ? ? ? ?

Mindless Crap on Top 40........

Meaningful deep tracks on AOR.
 
drpickle said:
In the 70's the white rock and roll establishment had trouble including Black artist. It was a machismo, testerone laden, white suburban elitist movement and it was wrong! Obviously, some people never abandoned their old views. And , these old hippies continually say they were for civil rights. It's the biggest lie out there. All these white suburban hippies were sitting in their bedroom getting high listening to ELP. They never cared about Civil Rights! And the so called liberals have now become the Bush loving neo-con PTA attending Soccer dads and moms. They sold out and they were full of it to start with!

Let's take one point at a time:

The rockers that came from the 60s/70s were ALL covering blues songs, ALL written by black artists. It was the pre-1960s labels that screwed the black artists.

Sure, some of us in the 70's were getting high to ELP...and sometimes we got high to Stevie Wonder, Stax Bands, Tower Of Power & James Brown...singing their stories about civil rights. The "white establishment" as you call it, didn't want to promote it to Anytown USA because most of the white kids weren't interested in the subject matter. Artists like Chuck Berry, Little Richard & Fats Domino made the labels rich and sold alot to the white audience...because they weren't singing about civil rights, they were singing about having fun and getting laid. THAT's what the white rock and rollers have always wanted. When they want "civil rights", they'll listen to Neil Young.

Not sure what to make of your "sell-out" comment. What's wrong with being a soccer mom or dad that attends PTA meetings? Even long-standing liberal rockers like myself know that being involved in your kids' life isn't "selling out". ???
 
drpickle said:
In the 70's the white rock and roll establishment had trouble including Black artist. It was a machismo, testerone laden, white suburban elitist movement and it was wrong! Obviously, some people never abandoned their old views. And , these old hippies continually say they were for civil rights. It's the biggest lie out there. All these white suburban hippies were sitting in their bedroom getting high listening to ELP. They never cared about Civil Rights! And the so called liberals have now become the Bush loving neo-con PTA attending Soccer dads and moms. They sold out and they were full of it to start with!


yea what about jimmy hendrix? and riddle me this. how many black rockers were they in the 70s? AOR played white rockers because thats all there was ! stevie wonder and tower of power were not rock! neither was james brown! i like those artists but they are not rockers!
 
Labelle was a black rock group! FM radio programmers screwed Patti Labelle. She wanted to be marketed as a rock group and when it did'nt happen she went solo and settled into r an b.
 
drpickle said:
Labelle was a black rock group! FM radio programmers screwed Patti Labelle. She wanted to be marketed as a rock group and when it did'nt happen she went solo and settled into r an b.

hey dude disco is not rock :D
now zavion was a black rock group from 1984. had an LP called burning love..and i have it!
 
mcamp said:
If you say the human element doesn't exist, does a computer select songs randomly?
Yes, it's true that DJ's are "spinning" the music anymore...should "we", the AOR generation, collectively just tune off?
This thing they call classic rock is stale, and if they think they are appealing to a new generation of fans, they're wrong.
The majority of 18-30 year olds all have ipods, and they don't have an FM tuner, and the few that do tune in don't have the attention span to stomache 'Sweet Home Alabama' every other day.....so the question is....the appeal of classic rock is geared to___________?

Today's classic rock radio is not geared to the AOR generation of the late '60s and '70s. It's geared to the generation who grew up with early 80's hits by U2, The Police, Springsteen, Tom Petty, etc... and weren't old enough to discover the AOR warhorses of the late '60s and '70s such as Led Zep, Floyd, Doors, Hendrix, Beatles, Stones, Clapton, etc... until they were already distilled down to their few greatest hits by the mainstream AOR stations and early classic rock stations in the '80s. They like those artists, but they weren't old enough to be listening to the more adventurous early AOR stations in the '70s to hear the full varieties that those artists offered. Todays classic rock target audience grew up to discover those '60s/'70s artists in the '80s when they were already classic rock, and for the most part, they're not interested in hearing anything more from those artists than they heard on the already limited AOR/classic playlists of the '80s.
 
Eli Polonsky said:
mcamp said:
If you say the human element doesn't exist, does a computer select songs randomly?
Yes, it's true that DJ's are "spinning" the music anymore...should "we", the AOR generation, collectively just tune off?
This thing they call classic rock is stale, and if they think they are appealing to a new generation of fans, they're wrong.
The majority of 18-30 year olds all have ipods, and they don't have an FM tuner, and the few that do tune in don't have the attention span to stomache 'Sweet Home Alabama' every other day.....so the question is....the appeal of classic rock is geared to___________?

Today's classic rock radio is not geared to the AOR generation of the late '60s and '70s. It's geared to the generation who grew up with early 80's hits by U2, The Police, Springsteen, Tom Petty, etc... and weren't old enough to discover the AOR warhorses of the late '60s and '70s such as Led Zep, Floyd, Doors, Hendrix, Beatles, Stones, Clapton, etc... until they were already distilled down to their few greatest hits by the mainstream AOR stations and early classic rock stations in the '80s. They like those artists, but they weren't old enough to be listening to the more adventurous early AOR stations in the '70s to hear the full varieties that those artists offered. Todays classic rock target audience grew up to discover those '60s/'70s artists in the '80s when they were already classic rock, and for the most part, they're not interested in hearing anything more from those artists than they heard on the already limited AOR/classic playlists of the '80s.

Stale is stale no matter what "stale" playlist you choose from....
 
>>>>1-Any song by Pink Floyd, Led Zep, or Skynrd is way overplayed<<<<<

Yes and no. True some Floyd songs have been absolutely beaten to death. Skynyrd the same, but what if stations substituted Money" with "free Four" or substituted Comfortably numb with "Crumbling Land. With Skynyrd instead of Gimme 3 steps, play Mississippi Kid or Cheatin Woman. Those songs just examples. I know those songs have not gone through the scrutiny of some corporate consultant and there my friends lie the troubles!!!
 
wangchung said:
drpickle said:
In the 70's the white rock and roll establishment had trouble including Black artist. It was a machismo, testerone laden, white suburban elitist movement and it was wrong! Obviously, some people never abandoned their old views. And , these old hippies continually say they were for civil rights. It's the biggest lie out there. All these white suburban hippies were sitting in their bedroom getting high listening to ELP. They never cared about Civil Rights! And the so called liberals have now become the Bush loving neo-con PTA attending Soccer dads and moms. They sold out and they were full of it to start with!

Let's take one point at a time:

The rockers that came from the 60s/70s were ALL covering blues songs, ALL written by black artists. It was the pre-1960s labels that screwed the black artists.

Sure, some of us in the 70's were getting high to ELP...and sometimes we got high to Stevie Wonder, Stax Bands, Tower Of Power & James Brown...singing their stories about civil rights. The "white establishment" as you call it, didn't want to promote it to Anytown USA because most of the white kids weren't interested in the subject matter. Artists like Chuck Berry, Little Richard & Fats Domino made the labels rich and sold alot to the white audience...because they weren't singing about civil rights, they were singing about having fun and getting laid. THAT's what the white rock and rollers have always wanted. When they want "civil rights", they'll listen to Neil Young.

Not sure what to make of your "sell-out" comment. What's wrong with being a soccer mom or dad that attends PTA meetings? Even long-standing liberal rockers like myself know that being involved in your kids' life isn't "selling out". ???
How about Bob Dylan, CSN&Y, to name a couple of classic rock bands, not to mention, much of the folk music of the 60's and early 70's, were very political in their lyrics.
Toward the end, there was plenty of politically charged songs by the Beatles, not to mention many Stones songs from the same time period.
 
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stevie wonder and tower of power were not rock! neither was james brown! i like those artists but they are not rockers!
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They rocked out as much as Steely Dan, Squeeze, Todd Rundgren's early stuff, etc...
 
Eli Polonsky said:
mcamp said:
If you say the human element doesn't exist, does a computer select songs randomly?
Yes, it's true that DJ's are "spinning" the music anymore...should "we", the AOR generation, collectively just tune off?
This thing they call classic rock is stale, and if they think they are appealing to a new generation of fans, they're wrong.
The majority of 18-30 year olds all have ipods, and they don't have an FM tuner, and the few that do tune in don't have the attention span to stomache 'Sweet Home Alabama' every other day.....so the question is....the appeal of classic rock is geared to___________?

Today's classic rock radio is not geared to the AOR generation of the late '60s and '70s. It's geared to the generation who grew up with early 80's hits by U2, The Police, Springsteen, Tom Petty, etc... and weren't old enough to discover the AOR warhorses of the late '60s and '70s such as Led Zep, Floyd, Doors, Hendrix, Beatles, Stones, Clapton, etc... until they were already distilled down to their few greatest hits by the mainstream AOR stations and early classic rock stations in the '80s. They like those artists, but they weren't old enough to be listening to the more adventurous early AOR stations in the '70s to hear the full varieties that those artists offered. Todays classic rock target audience grew up to discover those '60s/'70s artists in the '80s when they were already classic rock, and for the most part, they're not interested in hearing anything more from those artists than they heard on the already limited AOR/classic playlists of the '80s.
What makes up much of classic rock is from the 70's: Bob Seger, Boston, Springsteen (plenty of 70's material), Bad Company, Journey, Queen, Supertramp, ZZ Top, etc...and classic rock really didn't get called "classic rock" until the mid to late eighties.
Myself, I graduated high school in '82, old enough to remember how radio used to be.
I had older brothers who turned me on to a lot of music that was too old for me to remember first hand...and radio during my high school years re-enforced those teachings.
I find no redeeming value to the format...it has become a time capsule, that's a little moldy around the edges.
It will be a matter of time where it's target audience with be sick of all those songs too.
 
mcamp said:
What makes up much of classic rock is from the 70's: Bob Seger, Boston, Springsteen (plenty of 70's material), Bad Company, Journey, Queen, Supertramp, ZZ Top, etc...and classic rock really didn't get called "classic rock" until the mid to late eighties.
Myself, I graduated high school in '82, old enough to remember how radio used to be.
I had older brothers who turned me on to a lot of music that was too old for me to remember first hand...and radio during my high school years re-enforced those teachings.
I find no redeeming value to the format...it has become a time capsule, that's a little moldy around the edges.It will be a matter of time where it's target audience with be sick of all those songs too.

Classic Rock Radio Playlists are the 'Soylent Green' of this age. I don't think the masses will ever grow tired of their 'Soylent Green'.

And the great thing is..... when they're ready for their final 'trip'.... they actually get to listen to an entire album side !!! Bliss!!! 8)
 
TheRover said:
mcamp said:
What makes up much of classic rock is from the 70's: Bob Seger, Boston, Springsteen (plenty of 70's material), Bad Company, Journey, Queen, Supertramp, ZZ Top, etc...and classic rock really didn't get called "classic rock" until the mid to late eighties.
Myself, I graduated high school in '82, old enough to remember how radio used to be.
I had older brothers who turned me on to a lot of music that was too old for me to remember first hand...and radio during my high school years re-enforced those teachings.
I find no redeeming value to the format...it has become a time capsule, that's a little moldy around the edges.It will be a matter of time where it's target audience with be sick of all those songs too.

Classic Rock Radio Playlists are the 'Soylent Green' of this age. I don't think the masses will ever grow tired of their 'Soylent Green'.

And the great thing is..... when they're ready for their final 'trip'.... they actually get to listen to an entire album side !!! Bliss!!! 8)
My wife, for instance, listens to "classic rock radio".
It's kind of a subconcious thing...backround noise...there is a certain comfort zone happening.
This is a person who used to be a radio intern back in the late 70's...so she definitely remembers when DJ's had more control over the content.
Now we are left with big corporations running the show, shooting for the highest market share, with total disregard for the final product....it's all bottom line numbers, and how much "we" can charge "our" sponsers....it's no wonder why so many listeners are turning over to satalite radio...it's costing the consumer money, but the end product fits "their" needs.
This is why I contribute to college radio, and PBS...because I believe there is more integrity involved with their decisions regarding music.
 
Radio Last by Bob Lefsetz

An excerpt from "The Lefsetz Letter" a cloumn by Bob Lefsetz on the Rhino Records Website:

http://www.rhino.com/rzine/storykeeper.lasso?StoryID=1043

Radio Last by Bob Lefsetz

Oh, first there was Top Forty. I'm considering 1964 Year One, when the Beatles broke, everything before that is B.C.E., before the common era. But then there was free format. Free format was about the EXPERIENCE! The deejays picked the tunes, they took you on an aural adventure. Then came AOR. AOR wasn't so bad at first. A lot of songs were played, there was hip news, everybody was in it together. Then came corporate rock, and eventually the whole system crumbled, especially when these same AOR stations wouldn't play Human League's "Don't You Want Me" and Soft Cell's "Tainted Love". AOR lost its stranglehold on the audience. Suddenly, AOR wasn't cool. And suddenly, RADIO wasn't cool anymore either. MTV was where it was at. And new Top Forty radio stations grew side by side with the video channel, to play the same hits. And then came the Telecommunications Act of 1996 and radio consolidation and the whole system imploded, radio no longer mattered.

And it still doesn't. Everybody believes radio sucks
.

But with MTV not playing any music, radio is the easiest way to reach the most people, so the major labels, interested in making a buck, focus on these lame stations. They can only see through this prism. Whereas only the lowest common denominator music fan still trusts the radio. Radio is a joke.
 
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