My guess is that nearly all of the format-appropriate stations plugged the show. But I did not hear much about it on Hippie. Seems like they were (and still are) too busy promoting shows to which they are giving away tickets! Wife heard the previously mentioned dj discuss it beforehand, but I did not hear it discussed until after the fact.
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Songs You Remember And Like But Never Get Played
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That's exactly my point. Concerts have no bearing on radio programming, as they make money from fans of a particular artist. Radio stations program songs, not entire artist repertoires.
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I would love to know what station you are talking about - probably WNFL - stands for Not For Long.
You know who "gives a damn about what the casual listener thinks"? The radio station that the DJ was on calling them deep cuts. They need to appeal to more than just Billy Joel fans, so you will only hear Joel's biggest hits and not "Root Beer Rag".
Fire - you can always private message me stuff. I would like to know what station was living on the edge out of Nashville, but I understand you wanting to not mention it. As for the Billy Joel concert, the promoter is a subsidiary of CC, so they keep most, if not all of those promotions and promotional dollars in their wheelhouse. Yes, Hippie does play more BJ than any other station in town, but not in fast, overkill drive. I went to his last Nashville show, and the demo was what was expected. If this show skewed a bit younger, it honestly might be because of his connection at Vanderbilt when he came to speak a few months ago. You might have seen the great piano playing video on YouTube. Worth checking out.
She (the dj) was possibly making a comparison between what he played, and maybe what she thought he actually SHOULD have played. Indeed, I did not hear "My Life," which is a fave of mine, but still all in all, an extremely good show.
She put a positive spin on it, saying that maybe he "mixed it up" a bit, so that he himself would not get bored, but still make it interesting for the fans, too. And I believe that he did that.
Well, let's see. This particular station came on the air two years ago, and went head-to-head with the more traditional Cumulus classic hits station, and the latter blinked first. But Cumulus chose to divest themselves of what was probably their lowest-performing station when they had to, after acquiring Citadel properties.
They DO play other hits, by him and others. Just don't judge without getting ALL the facts first. According to all the "experts" on this board, this particular station should have folded LONG ago, but yet like the little engine that could, they somehow keep going. No, I don't understand it either, but that is just how it is. It is also worth noting, that Cumulus kept tinkering with their station for the entire time that they had it, including the six or seven years or so that it was classic hits, but seemingly no matter how many times they tampered with it, they just could not seem to get it right. However, their last incarnation of classic hits was probably their best. But I would caution them that "our" format is just NEVER going to be #1 in the ratings. They should have settled for their half of a loaf and be done with it, but for some reason, they just could not do that.
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That's cool. My last mention of Hippie resulted in the thread getting hijacked and nearly "taken outside" by those who kept trying to take it off-topic, but fortunately, they do not appear to be here now.
Let me get this straight, Firepoint, you did hear "Disco Duck" on Hippie or were you saying you heard it on another radio station outside of the Nashville market that played it, and other songs that Hippie does not play? Sorry, just don't want to misunderstand your point. Hehe. Hippie is about 2,000 songs, a large playlist for this day and age on a classic hits/oldies station. I was not aware of that song being on the playlist, but it is from 1976 and was a novelty song like "Jaws" and "Rubber Biscuit." People actually really like hearing those weird, one hit wonder type songs. Same is true with Paul Mauriat's "Love is Blue" and Mason Williams "Classical Gas." I know those were discussed on here as no plays, but when you put them musically into context, people respond and a large number of people remember where they were when they heard it. Louis Armstrong gets great response. Hippie is not totally conventional and not corporate by comparison. I am sure just as many people run from the songs and flip. Truth is, if you do flip to another station in most markets, how much better is the song playing? When Hippie kicked off, the playlist was about 600 songs, IIRC. Maybe 800. And RQQ was sounding pretty decent for a while, while they let Mac mess with it. Then the usual cease and desist and it started to fall apart. Then boom! Outta here! The curse of a signal is true!
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Lost hits or lost 45's are songs that are hits, but just not played in a long time, so as to sound "new" when played against the regular rotated songs. In other words, they are the songs that radio ignores today, about 85% of the top 20 hits from 1969 to 1985....that's the meaning of lost hits.
Never heard such nonsense. Where did you dig this one up from??
It's the adults that mostly dislike today's music, vs. the music from when they were younger.
It's was the same in the 50's and early 60's...the adults disliked the Beatles and the Stones or even Elvis, over Perry Como tunes and softer standards and songs. They disliked the hair and the change to rock and roll. Same thing.
But radio does not even do that.....that the point! K-Earth 101 certainly does not. "Brand New Key" is not a deep cut, it's a lost hit, and so are the other 85% of the songs being ignored today from 1969 to 1985 that charted top 20.
Bob Seger is great, do we ever hear "Fire Lake" or "Like A Rock"?
The Eagles are overplayed, but do we ever hear "I Can't Tell You Why"?
Everyone complains about Rupert Holmes's "Escape", do we ever hear "Him"?
or how about a song like "Trouble" by Lindsay Buckingham, and many hundreds of other songs! Do you get the point?
Agreed Firepoint. They'll never understand our side to this.
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They are lost, because they are not played TODAY. And I do agree with you, it wasn't by accident, radio is purposely ignoring them. Radio is a slowly dying breed, unfortunately.
Actually, there was just an article published that OTA radio is enjoying a huge rebirth, especially with younger listeners.
Nielsen has released its latest quarterly report of network radio ratings, RADAR March 2014, and the latest study shows that total U.S. radio audience has increased by more than 1.2 million weekly listeners since March 2013. Radio now reaches 244.4 million Americans on an average weekly basis
Read the rest of my post. Adults are the ones driving the growth in contemporary country music. They're saying they never listened to country before, but now they do. And they watch TV shows like Nashville. Why listen to 40 year old songs when there is new music that has even better lyrical content and musicianship?
You think everyone is just like you, and I'm here to tell you they're not.
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Can't happen. The FCC has laws about it. And even then, there are lots of non broadcast alternatives. One thing I've learned is you can't bet on anything in radio.
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Let me answer in terms you might understand. Led Zeppelin had a lot of hits, and a lot of album cuts that got significant airplay back in the day. If you rank all of Led Zeppelin's hits from first to 20th, radio stations today would only play the top 5 or so. Most of us who really like Led Zeppelin would like to hear the top 10 or so Led Zeppelin songs. We're talking about the second tier of hits from artists who had way more than just five hit songs. And, we'd like to hear live versions of those hits every now and then. There are no shortage of them. And while you're at it, throw in the Heart cover version of Stairway to Heaven from the tribute at the Kennedy Center. After all, we like Led Zeppelin, we like Heart, and we like the song Stairway to Heaven. So throw us a bone and play it every now and then.
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And yet when radio industry pros post in forums like this, they almost always mention artists, and almost never songs.
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And, it's about the only thing that could breathe new life into that format. People in radio don't seem to understand that even as us old fogeys like some of the music recorded recently, there is a much larger segment of the 20 - 45 age group that actually prefer the sound of the songs from the 70's and 80's. No defender of the broadcast media's status quo would ever admit it, but a lot of younger people whose musical taste was being formed when they were young teenagers listened to more classic rock than they did to grunge or alternative or hip-hop. They also won't admit that there is a great deal of "current" music that would have fit perfectly into any station's playlist back in the 70's or 80's. The sound of the music is that of the 70's and 80's (or even the late 60's!) even though it was recorded in the 21st century.
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