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I guess MP3's are a failed technolgy! ;D
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SayNoToIBOC
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By order, in Amazon's overall electronic rankings:
#2 Apple 30 GB iPod with Video Playback Black
#6 SanDisk SDMX4-2048 Sansa e250 2 GB MP3 Player with SD Expansion Slot
#9 Apple 60 GB iPod with Video Playback Black
#10 Apple 1 GB iPod Nano Black
#11 Apple 4 GB iPod Nano Black
#14 SanDisk Sansa M240 1 GB MP3 Player (Silver)
#15 Apple 2 GB iPod Nano Black
#21 Apple 30 GB iPod with Video Playback White
#24 SanDisk Sansa M230 512 MB MP3 Player (Blue)
Now, you were saying... ;D
#2 Apple 30 GB iPod with Video Playback Black
#6 SanDisk SDMX4-2048 Sansa e250 2 GB MP3 Player with SD Expansion Slot
#9 Apple 60 GB iPod with Video Playback Black
#10 Apple 1 GB iPod Nano Black
#11 Apple 4 GB iPod Nano Black
#14 SanDisk Sansa M240 1 GB MP3 Player (Silver)
#15 Apple 2 GB iPod Nano Black
#21 Apple 30 GB iPod with Video Playback White
#24 SanDisk Sansa M230 512 MB MP3 Player (Blue)
Now, you were saying... ;D
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IBOCRocks
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SayNoToIBOC said:
That posting the stats of the Receptor are about as meaningful as me posting the stats of a low rated MP3 player. I don't know of many people here who are rooting for the Receptor to be a hit. There will be more radios to come, many of which will blow the Receptor out of the water.
But you'll continue to do it anyway, and we'll continue not to care. If anything, it's the most truthful thing you post!
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SayNoToIBOC
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You quoted a stat, so I dismissed your thread. As an example, of a top-100 radio, which of couse the Receptor HD is not part of:
#96 Hello Kitty Clock Radio with Night Light - KT2055
This is way out-selling the Receptor HD !
You are avoiding the issue again - the HD Radio Cartel has been heavily hyping the Receptor HD, with advertisements on radio, pointing to Amazom.com/hdradio, which has a link to the Receptor HD, which is currently ranked at 6,200 - get it, now ? You have learned very well from Eduardo, when you get into a corner !
#96 Hello Kitty Clock Radio with Night Light - KT2055
This is way out-selling the Receptor HD !
You are avoiding the issue again - the HD Radio Cartel has been heavily hyping the Receptor HD, with advertisements on radio, pointing to Amazom.com/hdradio, which has a link to the Receptor HD, which is currently ranked at 6,200 - get it, now ? You have learned very well from Eduardo, when you get into a corner !
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IBOCRocks
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SayNoToIBOC said:You quoted a stat, so I dismissed your thread. As an example, of a top-100 radio, which of couse the Receptor HD is not part of:
#96 Hello Kitty Clock Radio with Night Light - KT2055
This is way out-selling the Receptor HD !
You are avoiding the issue again - the HD Radio Cartel has been heavily hyping the Receptor HD, with advertisements on radio, pointing to Amazom.com/hdradio, which has a link to the Receptor HD, which is currently ranked at 6,200 - get it, now ? You have learned very well from Eduardo, when you get into a corner !
Actually, that's a lie too. They advertise the Receptor, the new Polk radio, and car radios through Crutchfield.
Maybe if you'd do your homework, I wouldn't have to school you! ;D
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SayNoToIBOC
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IBOCRocks wrote: "Actually, that's a lie too. They advertise the Receptor, the new Polk radio, and car radios through Crutchfield."
The only advertising, that I have heard from the HD Radio Cartel, has been for Amazon.com/hdradio, and that certainly is the main thrust of their consumer advertising. Most people are going to buy off Amazon, since it is so popular and contains many more product reviews, than individual manfacturers' Internet sites.
http://www.hear2.com/2006/08/not_a_good_sign.html
The only advertising, that I have heard from the HD Radio Cartel, has been for Amazon.com/hdradio, and that certainly is the main thrust of their consumer advertising. Most people are going to buy off Amazon, since it is so popular and contains many more product reviews, than individual manfacturers' Internet sites.
http://www.hear2.com/2006/08/not_a_good_sign.html
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SayNoToIBOC
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The sales rankings on Amazon.com, for the Receptor HD, ARE being noticed (just a quick snapshot):
"Radio 2.0: Is Anybody Listening ?"
http://www.technudgelive.com/2006/08/radio-20-is-anybody-listening.html
"Sounds great, huh? That's what I thought, already the gears turning and wondering what hardware I would need. Looking around, there is only a handful of companies making receivers. They appear to be still quite expensive, and not exactly trouble free, and crystal clear. Looking at Amazon, the reviews are informative, to say the least. With a $300 receiver, several are saying that the audio quality is no better than regular radio, and generally disappointed."
And, of course:
http://www.hear2.com/2006/08/not_a_good_sign.html
Others:
"For the Boston Acoustics Receptor HD radio, its sales rank on Amazon is 4243 (as of today)..."
"Just checked on Amazon, and the ranking for the BA HD radio had jumped up to #11,094..."
"Radio 2.0: Is Anybody Listening ?"
http://www.technudgelive.com/2006/08/radio-20-is-anybody-listening.html
"Sounds great, huh? That's what I thought, already the gears turning and wondering what hardware I would need. Looking around, there is only a handful of companies making receivers. They appear to be still quite expensive, and not exactly trouble free, and crystal clear. Looking at Amazon, the reviews are informative, to say the least. With a $300 receiver, several are saying that the audio quality is no better than regular radio, and generally disappointed."
And, of course:
http://www.hear2.com/2006/08/not_a_good_sign.html
Others:
"For the Boston Acoustics Receptor HD radio, its sales rank on Amazon is 4243 (as of today)..."
"Just checked on Amazon, and the ranking for the BA HD radio had jumped up to #11,094..."
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SayNoToIBOC
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And, Amazon has the Receptor HD on sale for $240 - the manufacturers' sites have it priced at $300. Good incentive to buy at Amazon ! Your thread has been dismissed !
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IBOCRocks
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SayNoToIBOC said:And, Amazon has the Receptor HD on sale for $240 - the manufacturers' sites have it priced at $300. Good incentive to buy at Amazon ! Your thread has been dismissed !
Actually, my thread has been taken over by you talking to yourself!
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SayNoToIBOC
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To quote:
Mark,
Your observations about the strange disconnect between industry spin and the realities HD radio is facing are all correct, but you politely stop short of the obvious conclusion: HD is DOA. The only reason it has gotten this far is that such an amazing amount of time and money has been invested in it by iBiquity, with support from radio industry stakeholders and receiver manufacturers. Many radio folk were skeptical from the beginning. Promoting HD as a quality upgrade (source of the HD moniker) was obviously bull — the typical Internet music stream is already higher quality than HD and can be upgraded easily as deliverable bandwidth gets cheaper. HD reminds me of DCC (Digital Compact Cassette), another attempt by a mature industry to administer life support to a sunset format. That didn't work either, and today almost no one even remembers it.
Promoting the increase in channels on HD sounded good until the usage reports came in and it became clear that with an IBOC system there really wasn't enough additional bandwidth on AM and FM to do the job properly. The U.S. really needed microwave digital radio spectrum like they got in Europe, so new radios could simply add a band. And nobody really figured out where the money would come from to staff and operate those new channels at an effective level, even if they actually worked technically.
And then there was the little matter of the hardware upgrade...it might have had a shot if the Internet wasn't evolving several orders of magnitude faster, the FCC approval happened three times faster, the manufacturers were more agile, and the public had a clear reason to do it. But of course none of these conditions were met and today we still have the ~$500 standalone HD radio and the ~$250 upgrade fee for a new car radio.
Mark,
Your observations about the strange disconnect between industry spin and the realities HD radio is facing are all correct, but you politely stop short of the obvious conclusion: HD is DOA. The only reason it has gotten this far is that such an amazing amount of time and money has been invested in it by iBiquity, with support from radio industry stakeholders and receiver manufacturers. Many radio folk were skeptical from the beginning. Promoting HD as a quality upgrade (source of the HD moniker) was obviously bull — the typical Internet music stream is already higher quality than HD and can be upgraded easily as deliverable bandwidth gets cheaper. HD reminds me of DCC (Digital Compact Cassette), another attempt by a mature industry to administer life support to a sunset format. That didn't work either, and today almost no one even remembers it.
Promoting the increase in channels on HD sounded good until the usage reports came in and it became clear that with an IBOC system there really wasn't enough additional bandwidth on AM and FM to do the job properly. The U.S. really needed microwave digital radio spectrum like they got in Europe, so new radios could simply add a band. And nobody really figured out where the money would come from to staff and operate those new channels at an effective level, even if they actually worked technically.
And then there was the little matter of the hardware upgrade...it might have had a shot if the Internet wasn't evolving several orders of magnitude faster, the FCC approval happened three times faster, the manufacturers were more agile, and the public had a clear reason to do it. But of course none of these conditions were met and today we still have the ~$500 standalone HD radio and the ~$250 upgrade fee for a new car radio.
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