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rbrucecarter5

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I have been really curious - is this thing the real deal? Having been frustrated for weeks by lack of stock at Frys and Amazon - I finally snagged a $57 return from Amazon - that has a scuff on the front panel, but not bad.

Being - as I am for the moment - a Houston / Dallas gypsy - after hefting heavy boxes all evening out of my van - I didn't even get to unpack the unit until 10PM last night. I was desperately tired. But could I resist the temptation to try out this mysterious little tuner? I think not!!!

I was prepared to be disappointed - and chalk this one up to hype - $57 wasted on another unit relegated to the guest bedroom. For once, I was pleasantly surprised! My relatives would probably not appreciate me putting up a yagi, so I did what most consumers would do - strung the dipole across anything I could - a headboard in this case. I am on a second floor which probably makes a difference --- but the dipole is by no means straight, it droops over the edge.

Power up - 87.5, I started up through the frequencies in Houston. It became very apparent this thing is a real station seeker - low power FM across town, came right in. As I went up through the frequencies, there were some Beaumont and Austin stations coming right in - and a double check with a GE Superadio FM section confirmed there was no skip going on. The real shocker was Dallas station KLTY coming in - on a dipole - with no skip! Granted my Cypress location gives me quite a boost towards the DFW area, but KLTY is definitely more than 200 miles away, and reception of an FM station 200 miles away with just a dipole - and no skip going on - is enough for me to take notice! I am going to see whether it is there after work today - usually a really bad time for FM skip, and keep documenting how reliable this might be.

I've heard the Sony ripped for AM performance, so with the little loop I started some exploring. I found it a solid performer, picking up the Cuban 530 without a problem, and the usual group of 50 kW clears you would expect from Houston at night, although ducting last night definitely favored Spanish language stations from the South, even WBAP and WOAI were seriously degraded by Spanish language chatter underneath.

If anybody cares about HD --- my listening location is 35 miles from the Mo City towers - all stations on that array locked in HD with no problems whatsoever. The only problem I had with a Houston local was with KSBJ, which is on a relatively short stick (900 feet) and probably a good deal further than the other Houston stations. Again, this was with a dipole incorrectly used. But still managing easy 35 mile range on HD - yet another indication that a power increase for HD FM is not justified by actual reception observations. The problems observed in the East are bad transmitting facilities and terrain - coupled with lower power. Probably - analog stereo was blending and dropping out on the same stations which people are complaining about HD coverage now.

AM HD would not lock on a single station, although I do acknowledge WOAI was seriously degraded by interference to the South no matter how I oriented the antenna.
 
rbrucecarter5 said:
I have been really curious - is this thing the real deal? Having been frustrated for weeks by lack of stock at Frys and Amazon - I finally snagged a $57 return from Amazon - that has a scuff on the front panel, but not bad.

Being - as I am for the moment - a Houston / Dallas gypsy - after hefting heavy boxes all evening out of my van - I didn't even get to unpack the unit until 10PM last night. I was desperately tired. But could I resist the temptation to try out this mysterious little tuner? I think not!!!

I was prepared to be disappointed - and chalk this one up to hype - $57 wasted on another unit relegated to the guest bedroom. For once, I was pleasantly surprised! My relatives would probably not appreciate me putting up a yagi, so I did what most consumers would do - strung the dipole across anything I could - a headboard in this case. I am on a second floor which probably makes a difference --- but the dipole is by no means straight, it droops over the edge.

Power up - 87.5, I started up through the frequencies in Houston. It became very apparent this thing is a real station seeker - low power FM across town, came right in. As I went up through the frequencies, there were some Beaumont and Austin stations coming right in - and a double check with a GE Superadio FM section confirmed there was no skip going on. The real shocker was Dallas station KLTY coming in - on a dipole - with no skip! Granted my Cypress location gives me quite a boost towards the DFW area, but KLTY is definitely more than 200 miles away, and reception of an FM station 200 miles away with just a dipole - and no skip going on - is enough for me to take notice! I am going to see whether it is there after work today - usually a really bad time for FM skip, and keep documenting how reliable this might be.

I've heard the Sony ripped for AM performance, so with the little loop I started some exploring. I found it a solid performer, picking up the Cuban 530 without a problem, and the usual group of 50 kW clears you would expect from Houston at night, although ducting last night definitely favored Spanish language stations from the South, even WBAP and WOAI were seriously degraded by Spanish language chatter underneath.

If anybody cares about HD --- my listening location is 35 miles from the Mo City towers - all stations on that array locked in HD with no problems whatsoever. The only problem I had with a Houston local was with KSBJ, which is on a relatively short stick (900 feet) and probably a good deal further than the other Houston stations. Again, this was with a dipole incorrectly used. But still managing easy 35 mile range on HD - yet another indication that a power increase for HD FM is not justified by actual reception observations. The problems observed in the East are bad transmitting facilities and terrain - coupled with lower power. Probably - analog stereo was blending and dropping out on the same stations which people are complaining about HD coverage now.

AM HD would not lock on a single station, although I do acknowledge WOAI was seriously degraded by interference to the South no matter how I oriented the antenna.

How far are you from the nearest AM station broadcasting in HD?
 
I bought the SONY XDR-F1HD a year or so ago, and it has been by far the best rig I've had for FM DXing. The selectivity is superb, the senstivitiy is fine, and the tuner is very resistant to overload and images. Granted, I don't live in the middle of a major market with a dozen or more 50 or 100 kw transmitters close by... the closest FMer is a bit more than 3 miles, and runs 4400 watts. Most of the markets FM's are 7 or so miles away, and the strongest is (coincidently) also 4400 watts, although I have excellent line-of-sight to those towers.... and my previous tuners had several mixing products, and in some cases just plain overload.

One curious thing, though, is the SONY seems somewhat less sensitive on certain frequencies, but these generally seem to be frequencies where mixing products would show up on other receivers.

I am right on the fringe of FM HD reception from New York City under normal conditions... a few stations will come through with HD with signal cut-outs. Many NYC stations won't lock on HD at all due to the presence of signals on adjacent channels. I have heard good FM HD from Ga, Fla and Miss, all on 88.1.
I haven't spent much time on AM, but with am amplified AM antenna, I can sometimes lock on a few New York AM's during the day (WFAN, WOR, for example) and it is amazing to hear the AM static just disappear. At night, no AM HD during times I've tried.
 
dx1ng said:
I bought the SONY XDR-F1HD a year or so ago, and it has been by far the best rig I've had for FM DXing. The selectivity is superb, the senstivitiy is fine, and the tuner is very resistant to overload and images. Granted, I don't live in the middle of a major market with a dozen or more 50 or 100 kw transmitters close by... the closest FMer is a bit more than 3 miles, and runs 4400 watts. Most of the markets FM's are 7 or so miles away, and the strongest is (coincidently) also 4400 watts, although I have excellent line-of-sight to those towers.... and my previous tuners had several mixing products, and in some cases just plain overload.

One curious thing, though, is the SONY seems somewhat less sensitive on certain frequencies, but these generally seem to be frequencies where mixing products would show up on other receivers.

I am right on the fringe of FM HD reception from New York City under normal conditions... a few stations will come through with HD with signal cut-outs. Many NYC stations won't lock on HD at all due to the presence of signals on adjacent channels. I have heard good FM HD from Ga, Fla and Miss, all on 88.1.
I haven't spent much time on AM, but with am amplified AM antenna, I can sometimes lock on a few New York AM's during the day (WFAN, WOR, for example) and it is amazing to hear the AM static just disappear. At night, no AM HD during times I've tried.

Have you had a chance to try any AM Dxing?
 
I have this tuner since last Nov., and its adjacent-channel selectivity on FM is the best I've seen, a lot better than my unmodified Onkyo T9090 MkII in its supernarrow mode. On AM, it's very good when I use a home-made loop and lightning static crashes are kept down compared to loud ones on regular am/fm radios and with this setup I think I picked up an AM 650 station in Colombia last month here in Va.
 
ddsparxx said:
I have this tuner since last Nov., and its adjacent-channel selectivity on FM is the best I've seen, a lot better than my unmodified Onkyo T9090 MkII in its supernarrow mode. On AM, it's very good when I use a home-made loop and lightning static crashes are kept down compared to loud ones on regular am/fm radios and with this setup I think I picked up an AM 650 station in Colombia last month here in Va.

Have you had a chance to compare the AM receiver to other good radios?
 
ddsparxx said:
I have this tuner since last Nov., and its adjacent-channel selectivity on FM is the best I've seen, a lot better than my unmodified Onkyo T9090 MkII in its supernarrow mode.

I'm using an Onkyo T-4711, and I've read reports the MkII is more selective. But the T-4711 and the Sony are roughly equal in handling adjacent-channel signals. I say roughly, because it varies. Sometimes the Sony gets a cleaner signal, sometimes it misses things the Onkyo will pull out. So maybe I don't need a MkII after all :)
 
radioman148 said:
Have you had a chance to compare the AM receiver to other good radios?

The Sony won't match a Drake R8 (in selectivity), but that's about the only AM receiver I've used that bests it in reception. Even that might not be an issue if the Sony had selectable bandwidth. Anyone up for the mod?
 
radioman148 said:
ddsparxx said:
I have this tuner since last Nov., and its adjacent-channel selectivity on FM is the best I've seen, a lot better than my unmodified Onkyo T9090 MkII in its supernarrow mode. On AM, it's very good when I use a home-made loop and lightning static crashes are kept down compared to loud ones on regular am/fm radios and with this setup I think I picked up an AM 650 station in Colombia last month here in Va.

Have you had a chance to compare the AM receiver to other good radios?
I think I did. With the supplied 4x5 loop I find the weak AM sensitivity almost as good (or very close to be) as that of the CCRadioSW, much older radios Panasonic RF-2200 and GE Superadio II and about as good as a Grundig G5/Eton E5 and GE Superadio III (I own these radios). Selectivity appears to be good. The loop I mentioned in the earlier post is about 2 feet high, having 3 turns of wire, and untuned (no variable capacitor used) and that loop pulls in weak stations better than the little loop, perhaps a bit better than the Superadio II with its internal loopstick. I do point out that I am in a very noisy place (an apartment).
 
ddsparxx said:
radioman148 said:
ddsparxx said:
I have this tuner since last Nov., and its adjacent-channel selectivity on FM is the best I've seen, a lot better than my unmodified Onkyo T9090 MkII in its supernarrow mode. On AM, it's very good when I use a home-made loop and lightning static crashes are kept down compared to loud ones on regular am/fm radios and with this setup I think I picked up an AM 650 station in Colombia last month here in Va.

Have you had a chance to compare the AM receiver to other good radios?
I think I did. With the supplied 4x5 loop I find the weak AM sensitivity almost as good (or very close to be) as that of the CCRadioSW, much older radios Panasonic RF-2200 and GE Superadio II and about as good as a Grundig G5/Eton E5 and GE Superadio III (I own these radios). Selectivity appears to be good. The loop I mentioned in the earlier post is about 2 feet high, having 3 turns of wire, and untuned (no variable capacitor used) and that loop pulls in weak stations better than the little loop, perhaps a bit better than the Superadio II with its internal loopstick. I do point out that I am in a very noisy place (an apartment).

Thanks for the report.
 
I got mine about 3 weeks ago and had a lot of fun last night. Houston FM's were booming in like locals around 10pm from my 2nd story apt. in South Austin. I ended up turning my attention to the TV side (pulled in Houston, Victoria, CC, and RGV TV/DTV from 1030pm-3am). My best catch on FM so far was last night around 230am before it was all over. I ID'd XHAAA 93.1 out of Reynosa. I've also pulled in the elevator music on Cuba 530 AM at night. This is a gem of a unit!
 
julesism said:
I got mine about 3 weeks ago and had a lot of fun last night. Houston FM's were booming in like locals around 10pm from my 2nd story apt. in South Austin. I ended up turning my attention to the TV side (pulled in Houston, Victoria, CC, and RGV TV/DTV from 1030pm-3am). My best catch on FM so far was last night around 230am before it was all over. I ID'd XHAAA 93.1 out of Reynosa. I've also pulled in the elevator music on Cuba 530 AM at night. This is a gem of a unit!

Do you like the AM tuner on the Sony?
 
radioman148 said:
Have you had a chance to try any AM Dxing?

My focus is really FM. (I just don't much enjoyment any more from the jumbles and electrical static on AM). However, I occasionally do a bit of AM listening, and I would say this tuner does OK on AM. Selectivity is not as spectacular as on FM, but adequate if you're not too close to any locals. There's plenty of signal throughout the AM dial at night, so sensitivity is not an issue. As far as AM HD goes, if you're not getting a solid AM groundwave signal from an HD station (say 2 or 3 mv or more), the XDR-F1HD probably won't decode it. And don't expect much in HD nighttime skywave.... I get the "HD' symbol flashing on a many stations, but interference prevents signals from actually locking in.

I wouldn't buy the XDR-F1HD just for the AM. But if you're looking for a great FM DX rig that also isn't bad on AM, then this tuner could be for you.
 
dx1ng said:
radioman148 said:
Have you had a chance to try any AM Dxing?

My focus is really FM. (I just don't much enjoyment any more from the jumbles and electrical static on AM). However, I occasionally do a bit of AM listening, and I would say this tuner does OK on AM. Selectivity is not as spectacular as on FM, but adequate if you're not too close to any locals. There's plenty of signal throughout the AM dial at night, so sensitivity is not an issue. As far as AM HD goes, if you're not getting a solid AM groundwave signal from an HD station (say 2 or 3 mv or more), the XDR-F1HD probably won't decode it. And don't expect much in HD nighttime skywave.... I get the "HD' symbol flashing on a many stations, but interference prevents signals from actually locking in.

I wouldn't buy the XDR-F1HD just for the AM. But if you're looking for a great FM DX rig that also isn't bad on AM, then this tuner could be for you.

Thanks for the report.
 
radioman148 said:
julesism said:
I got mine about 3 weeks ago and had a lot of fun last night. Houston FM's were booming in like locals around 10pm from my 2nd story apt. in South Austin. I ended up turning my attention to the TV side (pulled in Houston, Victoria, CC, and RGV TV/DTV from 1030pm-3am). My best catch on FM so far was last night around 230am before it was all over. I ID'd XHAAA 93.1 out of Reynosa. I've also pulled in the elevator music on Cuba 530 AM at night. This is a gem of a unit!

Do you like the AM tuner on the Sony?

I like it but I'll +1 what dx1ng already said. The unit really shines on FM and and is worth every penny.
 
radioman148 said:
Do you like the AM tuner on the Sony?
I revisited it last night. Basically - with nothing but the supplied loop - it is about TM-152 quality (the old Radio Shack C-Quam stand alone tuner). Locals are strong, nearby regionals are OK, but it is NOT a DX tuner by itself.

I next used a Radio Shack loop inductively coupled to the supplied loop. What a difference! The band popped alive, I had as good as a GE Superadio, perhaps better. So the limitations are entirely due to the supplied loop - not the RF circuitry inside the Sony. Had they supplied a bit larger loop as standard with the unit - AM DX'ers would be singing its praises as well as FM DX'ers. I'm not big on longwire AM antennas - mainly because I don't have anywhere to put them - but any decent AM antenna solution should pack stations into this unit. I have a three foot loop - if I can ever get the interference producers shut down for a while at my temporary address with relatives, I'll see what it can do with a three foot loop.
 
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