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SOS Q102 (Comments about WIOQ)

Philadelphia Radio Listeners,

I don't post often, so here goes. WIOQ appears to be in serious need of an overhaul or fear of a flip. Being an avid radio listener of radio for over 25 years, I need to make some comments about the current state of the station compared to Top-40 in other markets.

(1) Widen The Playlist - WIOQ appears to be ignoring tracks that are not being playing by rival WRDW. Stations such as Z-100 (NYC), Kiss 108 (Boston) and KDWB (Minneapolis) have openly embraced dance tracks from artists such as Cascada and David Guetta and teen pop artists such as Miley Cyrus, Jonas Brothers, Taylor Swift and Ashley Tisdale. Listening to other stations streaming audio clearly shows that the playlist at Q-102 is extremely limited and safe, leaning more towards the upper end of the 12-35 demographic.

(2) Pitch and Speed Control - I never understood the concept of increasing the speed and pitch of on-air music. Is it supposed to sound better? Is it supposed to make rival WRDW (Wired) sound slow when playing the same song and turn off listeners to the competition so they'll listen to Q102? Is it supposed to save 15 seconds per track to add more ad time to the hour? I don't think listeners are dumb. They own Ipods and know when a track is sped up. Q102 has done it to the point of sounding like every song is sung by Alvin and the Chipmunks. I have had at least three opportunities to flip my presets between WIOQ and WRDW while the same track is playing on-air. I have actually heard as the Q-102 track catches up the WRDW track and passes it within the time it airs. There is a difference between pitching up a track slightly to make it more listenable but not to the extreme we are getting with Q-102. Turn down the pitching please.

(3) Station Presence - Some of the great Top-40 stations do a fantastic job at making their sponsors part of the station's sound with direct tie-ins. So much so that the product identifies with the station and those that listen know the product. It becomes a brotherhood. The listeners may actually hang around during the commercials rather than flip around when the station itself is involved with the product.

(4) Commercial Spot Times - There is nothing worse than surfing the presets in your car radio and finding that everyone is running their ads at the same part of the hour. If Q102 wants more listeners, they should be seeing where in the hour the competition is playing their ads and purposely play a popular track at that time. I have seen in another city where the station will tell their listeners that the competition is playing commercials right now while they are still playing music. Sometimes even tell them to check and come back.

(5) Scandals - We had the Lane/Booker issue in NY and now it appears an alleged issue with two other staff members at a Pennsauken nightclub. Is this another nail in the coffin?

(6) Saturday Night - Seems like Philly's in-house DJ has moved to 106.1 (most likely due to point #5), leaving Philly with no immediate option for Saturday night mixing. This was a mainstay at Q-102 for years with the live feeds from the now defunct Egypt On The Waterfront and later the pre-recorded mixing. Q-102 quickly needs a mixing Saturday night. If they can't get that, then at least pick up the syndicated "John Garabedian's Open House Party". It used to air on WSTW Wilmington and now can only be heard in the area on 104.1 Allentown. It's been a great show for years and the NYC and Philly markets don't carry it.

(7) Ratings - I've seen the ratings nosedive recently. The last ratings I see put Q102 even or even slightly below WRDW and WBEN. None of these three stations are in the top 5 in the market. Other markets Top-40 stations are top 5.

OK, enough of my soapbox. Do others agree that this station is bleeding?

LibertyOne
Avid Radio Listener
 
I highly doubt that Q102 is going anywhere, despite the fact that they are not the powerhouse they once were. The Lane/Booker thing hurt Channel 3 much more than it did Q102.
 
LibertyOne said:
Philadelphia Radio Listeners,

I don't post often, so here goes. WIOQ appears to be in serious need of an overhaul or fear of a flip. Being an avid radio listener of radio for over 25 years, I need to make some comments about the current state of the station compared to Top-40 in other markets.

(1) Widen The Playlist - WIOQ appears to be ignoring tracks that are not being playing by rival WRDW. Stations such as Z-100 (NYC), Kiss 108 (Boston) and KDWB (Minneapolis) have openly embraced dance tracks from artists such as Cascada and David Guetta and teen pop artists such as Miley Cyrus, Jonas Brothers, Taylor Swift and Ashley Tisdale. Listening to other stations streaming audio clearly shows that the playlist at Q-102 is extremely limited and safe, leaning more towards the upper end of the 12-35 demographic.

(2) Pitch and Speed Control - I never understood the concept of increasing the speed and pitch of on-air music. Is it supposed to sound better? Is it supposed to make rival WRDW (Wired) sound slow when playing the same song and turn off listeners to the competition so they'll listen to Q102? Is it supposed to save 15 seconds per track to add more ad time to the hour? I don't think listeners are dumb. They own Ipods and know when a track is sped up. Q102 has done it to the point of sounding like every song is sung by Alvin and the Chipmunks. I have had at least three opportunities to flip my presets between WIOQ and WRDW while the same track is playing on-air. I have actually heard as the Q-102 track catches up the WRDW track and passes it within the time it airs. There is a difference between pitching up a track slightly to make it more listenable but not to the extreme we are getting with Q-102. Turn down the pitching please.

(3) Station Presence - Some of the great Top-40 stations do a fantastic job at making their sponsors part of the station's sound with direct tie-ins. So much so that the product identifies with the station and those that listen know the product. It becomes a brotherhood. The listeners may actually hang around during the commercials rather than flip around when the station itself is involved with the product.

(4) Commercial Spot Times - There is nothing worse than surfing the presets in your car radio and finding that everyone is running their ads at the same part of the hour. If Q102 wants more listeners, they should be seeing where in the hour the competition is playing their ads and purposely play a popular track at that time. I have seen in another city where the station will tell their listeners that the competition is playing commercials right now while they are still playing music. Sometimes even tell them to check and come back.

(5) Scandals - We had the Lane/Booker issue in NY and now it appears an alleged issue with two other staff members at a Pennsauken nightclub. Is this another nail in the coffin?

(6) Saturday Night - Seems like Philly's in-house DJ has moved to 106.1 (most likely due to point #5), leaving Philly with no immediate option for Saturday night mixing. This was a mainstay at Q-102 for years with the live feeds from the now defunct Egypt On The Waterfront and later the pre-recorded mixing. Q-102 quickly needs a mixing Saturday night. If they can't get that, then at least pick up the syndicated "John Garabedian's Open House Party". It used to air on WSTW Wilmington and now can only be heard in the area on 104.1 Allentown. It's been a great show for years and the NYC and Philly markets don't carry it.

(7) Ratings - I've seen the ratings nosedive recently. The last ratings I see put Q102 even or even slightly below WRDW and WBEN. None of these three stations are in the top 5 in the market. Other markets Top-40 stations are top 5.

OK, enough of my soapbox. Do others agree that this station is bleeding?

LibertyOne
Avid Radio Listener

I can't speak for Q102 directly, but I can certainly identify and empathize. Q's sister station here in Hartford, Kiss 95.7 (WKSS) is suffering the same ills. I'm convinced that Clear Channel is killing both of these once-great radio stations.
 
The Lane / Booker stories probably help Q102 more than they hurt it.

It's not like Booker has to be the model of good behavior in order to be the morning show host of a pop music station.
 
I find it fully the original poster mentioned these teen pop singers (and I use the word "singer" loosely). The only people these artists (again, used loosely) appeal to are pre-teen girls. Contrary to popular belief, kids are not a CHR's target audience. Oh, and I'm sure Z100 wouldn't be playing those artists when no one else is if there weren't some deals going on. Just sayin'...
 
Miley Cyrus thats a good CHR record, plus theres a huge appeal behind her. Last time I checked people were doing some crazy stuff for tickets to her shows. Taylor Swift is a local girl and is making an impact across the country. Cascada and David Guetta are different case. The Cascada I can see them having an issue because they redid the rascal flatts song and that maybe still getting airplay. David Guetta is a very strong dance record. That is a hit or miss. Guetta has done very well on our station.

Pitching music is a standard practice. Many feel that pitching music makes it sound warmer. For up beat tracks I think pitching 2% is fine anymore they sound bad. The other is create more ad space.

Mixshows well its a lost art form in Philly. My station we run mixshows 3 nights a week. Two of them were up for Philadelphia Air Awards this year. NYC wont carry the house party when NYC is considered the capital of dance music here in the states. Besides there are too many good djs up there to have that type of show there.
 
They should play "THE HITS", period. There's more to POP ROCK than just FINGER 11 (which is still a good song, IMO). Maybe move the poppier current stuff off of 104.5 down the dial. It should be more of a mass appeal/mainstream Top 40, without regard for Wired. Let them focus rhythmic and blow themselves up with the ongoing PPM backlash against hip hop. Yes, that would even include (UGH!) dance. If it tests well, and can generate crossover appeal, then add it.
 
Q102 is in a position between 104.5 and 98.9. Too much rock and you steal listeners from 104.5. Too much urban and you steal listeners from 98.9 (and 100.3 and 96.5 as well). Therefore, it's more advantageous to lean rhythmic.
 
LibertyOne said:
(2) Pitch and Speed Control - I never understood the concept of increasing the speed and pitch of on-air music. Is it supposed to sound better?

Yes.

Is it supposed to make rival WRDW (Wired) sound slow when playing the same song and turn off listeners to the competition so they'll listen to Q102?

Yes. And, apparently you never listened to Q102 back in 1990, when they pitched everything up about 10% :) Nowadays, it's nowhere NEAR as ridiculous as it used to be.

I have seen in another city where the station will tell their listeners that the competition is playing commercials right now while they are still playing music. Sometimes even tell them to check and come back.

Man, I really hope nobody's done THAT old hack bit in the last 10-15 years.

Q-102 quickly needs a mixing Saturday night. If they can't get that, then at least pick up the syndicated "John Garabedian's Open House Party". It used to air on WSTW Wilmington and now can only be heard in the area on 104.1 Allentown. It's been a great show for years and the NYC and Philly markets don't carry it.

Q carried OHP on Sunday nights back in 1991, and J.G. sounded old and out of place on the station even then.
 
what are you guys talkin about? q102 is not going anywhere, they are doing good in the ppm
 
Rockin Rob said:
They should play "THE HITS", period... Let them focus rhythmic and blow themselves up with the ongoing PPM backlash against hip hop. Yes, that would even include (UGH!) dance.

But Philly doesn't need a "danz" station... :D
 
jo-nathan said:
I find it fully the original poster mentioned these teen pop singers (and I use the word "singer" loosely). The only people these artists (again, used loosely) appeal to are pre-teen girls. Contrary to popular belief, kids are not a CHR's target audience. Oh, and I'm sure Z100 wouldn't be playing those artists when no one else is if there weren't some deals going on. Just sayin'...

You just JUST BE SAYIN. You clearly know nothing about the state of radio, Z100 or those teen pop singers. Many of whom can actually sing and write music. Z100 is the biggest CHR station in the world. All eyes are on them. They set trends in music because they know music, not because of deals. Miley and Jonas bros are HUGE right now nationally. A fact that escapes you as does your sense of radio. They do NOT only appeal to pre-teen girls. They appeal to older women 18-54 and males as well. I have been to concerts of all of these artists and I have seen the research to back that up. You really should base your "facts" on YOUR musical tastes or your biases.
 
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I can't speak for Q102 directly, but I can certainly identify and empathize. Q's sister station here in Hartford, Kiss 95.7 (WKSS) is suffering the same ills. I'm convinced that Clear Channel is killing both of these once-great radio stations.
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Yeah that's right. Clear channel; owns 500 successful CHR's but they are killing these two. You Do know that station are run by market and by their PD's and VP's and GM's right? There aren't corporate mandates that force one format across the board to run the same as another? You realize the market and the competition dictate that right? Ask for new station leadership if you aren't happy with ONE station. The company isn't to blame for the ills listed here. What any great CHR needs first and foremost is a morning show that is solid and REALLY in touch with it's demo. Is this one?
 
TALENTED MORNING SHOW BUT DOES NOT FIT WITH Q. THEY NEED AN IMAGING OVERHALL, A MUSIC TWEEK, TO STOP PITCHING UP THE SONGS SO MUCH, AND A LITTLE ON AIR ADJUSTMENT WITH SOME OF THE TALENT...TWO OF THEIR JOCKS ARE VERY WEAK....
CAN SOMEONE ANSWER ME WHY LONG TIME MIX SHOW DJ IS DOING MIXES FOR Q102 AND COMPETETOR MY 106.1? ISNT THIS A HUGE NO NO? PLUS THEY ARE OWNED BY DIFFERENT COMPANIES.
 
instigator said:
TALENTED MORNING SHOW BUT DOES NOT FIT WITH Q. THEY NEED AN IMAGING OVERHALL, A MUSIC TWEEK, TO STOP PITCHING UP THE SONGS SO MUCH, AND A LITTLE ON AIR ADJUSTMENT WITH SOME OF THE TALENT...TWO OF THEIR JOCKS ARE VERY WEAK....
CAN SOMEONE ANSWER ME WHY LONG TIME MIX SHOW DJ IS DOING MIXES FOR Q102 AND COMPETETOR MY 106.1? ISNT THIS A HUGE NO NO? PLUS THEY ARE OWNED BY DIFFERENT COMPANIES.

CAPS LOCK CAPS LOCK CAPS LOCK CAPS LOCK CAPS LOCK CAPS LOCK CAPS LOCK
 
What is the big deal with people if I write with all capital letters???You are the third comment about it....geez are we 3 im trying to discuss issues and enjoy myself grow up .
 
instigator said:
What is the big deal with people if I write with all capital letters???You are the third comment about it....geez are we 3 im trying to discuss issues and enjoy myself grow up .

we have to be able to read what you're saying in order to discuss the issues. I can't look at those posts and read English sentences when all I see is a wall of text.
 
Thats funny i could read and understand your CAPS LOCK ect fine.....
 
instigator said:
CAN SOMEONE ANSWER ME WHY LONG TIME MIX SHOW DJ IS DOING MIXES FOR Q102 AND COMPETETOR MY 106.1? ISNT THIS A HUGE NO NO? PLUS THEY ARE OWNED BY DIFFERENT COMPANIES.
They're both owned by clearchannel.
 
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