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Sound processing unit upgrade

I just find it odd he would deal directly, when the line from Telos (and to be fair, most other processing companies) is that you can arrange a demo thru "one of our dealers".....

Only during special evaluations (like reviews, evaluations, beta test) is the box factory direct

Then he would go thru the motions of having to post about it.... which is why one can't take anything seriously here anymore, when you consider the other anonymous plants like Pauly Boy... who does have a real name... but for the sake of watching the fun, I'll keep it to myself...
 
wgliradio said:
I just find it odd he would deal directly, when the line from Telos (and to be fair, most other processing companies) is that you can arrange a demo thru "one of our dealers".....

Only during special evaluations (like reviews, evaluations, beta test) is the box factory direct

Then he would go thru the motions of having to post about it.... which is why one can't take anything seriously here anymore, when you consider the other anonymous plants like Pauly Boy... who does have a real name... but for the sake of watching the fun, I'll keep it to myself...
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Mike,

I can back up Frank here. We were both contacted by Whit. What he (Whit) posted here is *exactly* what happened.....

If Whit reads, and wants to share more, I'm sure he will...but beyond this post, I won't try to speak for him, or put words in his mouth (or keyboard) ;).

-Cornelius
 
wgliradio said:
I just find it odd he would deal directly, when the line from Telos (and to be fair, most other processing companies) is that you can arrange a demo thru "one of our dealers".....

Only during special evaluations (like reviews, evaluations, beta test) is the box factory direct

Then he would go thru the motions of having to post about it.... which is why one can't take anything seriously here anymore, when you consider the other anonymous plants like Pauly Boy... who does have a real name... but for the sake of watching the fun, I'll keep it to myself...
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Mike,

You're reading way too much into this, and assuming too much. There was no direct deal. Whit contacted me about a problem he was having with another product, and he couldn't solve it...even with numerous software tweaks, and help from that company. He asked if there was a way to try our product again. I thanked him for the opportunity to try our unit, and turned it over to our support group, and that was that.

Had nothing to do with anything else. Customer made a choice, and then after he couldn't accomplish his goal, changed to another product. No need for you, or anyone else to read more into it than that. Contact Whit, directly, if you want verification.

-Frank Foti
 
There's a difference between reading into it and knowing. It's one thing to re-evaluate your opinion on a product (especially after it was vastly improved by Cornelius over the original offering... one which I had made suggestions myself about the HF ducking problem, as well as another poster who said the emperor had no clothes... but it not only was DENIED, it went unchecked for almost a year), it's another to have to make a well placed post in a forum about it to stir the troops.
 
Achilleas said:
there are other software too that are for fm processing..i think that the man who create idt processsors has his own software (i dont remember how he call it)...
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Achilleas, the man who created IDT processors is called Vincent Defretin and now works for "Sound4" that is not only a software, but a real FM and HD processor on a PCI card. You should definitely consider trying it. It could be a great alternative, as it goes clean and loud. But for sure, you should give a try to Orban, Omnia and Vorsis processors too, it's a question of taste !
 
Not to further hijack this thread....

Michael said:
Achilleas said:
there are other software too that are for fm processing..i think that the man who create idt processsors has his own software (i dont remember how he call it)...
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Achilleas, the man who created IDT processors is called Vincent Defretin and now works for "Sound4" that is not only a software, but a real FM and HD processor on a PCI card. You should definitely consider trying it. It could be a great alternative, as it goes clean and loud. But for sure, you should give a try to Orban, Omnia and Vorsis processors too, it's a question of taste !
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::)

FYI only:

Sound4 is the developer of the processing card sold with Audemat's Digiplexer product (a remarkably flexible unit in and of itself).

Rolf Taylor
Applications/Support Engineer
APT- an Audemat Company
www.audemat.com
 
wgliradio said:
There's a difference between reading into it and knowing. It's one thing to re-evaluate your opinion on a product (especially after it was vastly improved by Cornelius over the original offering... one which I had made suggestions myself about the HF ducking problem, as well as another poster who said the emperor had no clothes... but it not only was DENIED, it went unchecked for almost a year), it's another to have to make a well placed post in a forum about it to stir the troops.
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You know not of what you speak. There was never a change in the design, and nothing went unchecked. Corny made some tweaks to the processor, as did I. Omnia.One has been a hot selling product since day one, and just as with any product that goes through iterations, the sales have grown since.

-Frank Foti
 
FFoti1 said:
You know not of what you speak. There was never a change in the design, and nothing went unchecked. Corny made some tweaks to the processor, as did I. Omnia.One has been a hot selling product since day one, and just as with any product that goes through iterations, the sales have grown since.

-Frank Foti
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It's OK Frank... rest easy in knowing you did improve it. I observed that:

1) What you originally produced was flawed for FM because of the HF ducking. Only myself and five other engineers in NYC who passed it around and came to the same conclusion.

2) I made recommendations to you that you claim (now) weren't valid.

3) Cornelius shows up... problem fixed. The updated software after he got there was a night and day improvement. This time, 3 of the 5 engineers (and myself) noticed the vast improvement and now almost bulletproof high end. The other two are using something else.
 
wgliradio said:
2) I made recommendations to you that you claim (now) weren't valid.

3) Cornelius shows up... problem fixed. The updated software after he got there was a night and day improvement. This time, 3 of the 5 engineers (and myself) noticed the vast improvement and now almost bulletproof high end. The other two are using something else.
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Mike,

Here's the issue...Your claims did not parallel those of MANY others, at that time. I said that to you then, and now. There's never been any change of tune on this end. As a company, we take all feedback into consideration, and make our decisions based upon that. I respect your view, but please understand, just because you may think something has a challenge, it may or may not be viewed the same for others. That's been my point all along.

Corny's involvement is coincidental with ongoing work we'd been doing with the product, which is par for the course. He's taken it to another level with his dedicated efforts.

-Frank Foti

-Frank Foti
 
If nobody was looking over my shoulder, I'd get a dual-core processor with plenty of ram, a high-end soundcard and install Breakaway Broadcast on it...it would make my competitors wonder what on earth...it's capable of a freakishly clean, open, loud, listenable on-air product. Even the current version, which doesn't offer full control can create a very unique on-air signature sound. Voice is remarkably clean, since the original poster said they are 30% talk, it's something to consider.

They have a low-latency version, that I haven't tried...the downside is that you really can't monitor real time off-air.

I'm a computer geek, too...so keep that in mind with the previous recommendation. I'm using Breakaway Live on all my internet streams and it's a great product.

As I have people looking over my shoulder, for the on-air product, I'd highly recommend an Omnia 6 (or 1), and run the Cosmic preset. I have yet to hear anything that sounds as good as an Omnia 6exi in the "processor in a box" category. Just another opinion.
 
Having already said what you should do, let me give my personal opinion.

First, the DSPXtra and the DSPXtreme sound differently. Especially in the bass. DSPXtreme has a much fuller and rhythmic bass, in fact that is one of the things I like most on the processor. The other good thing about it is it's very consistent. It has slightly lower distortion than the DSPXtra, though I still wish it was cleaner. Try it, see for yourself.

Based on what you described, the other processor I would recommend to try is the Orban 8500. IMO, Orban processors have the best overall performance (meaning they are good at everything you throw at them, without falling apart or requiring specialist tweaking). The sound is full, loud yet has depth, smoothness and naturalness. One thing Orban does very well is manage distortion, so it sounds best with talk than all the other processors I've used. Add to that rock-solid consistency and you've got such a good performer no wonder it's so popular and widely used.

As I already said, all the opinions you read here, including mine, are first and foremost subjective and largely depend on the personal preference, past experience, how much someone really knows and understands processing, how many different processors he tried and used, etc. Keep that in mind. There is no better alternative than to try the processors yourself!


Regards,
Goran Tomas
 
So just go and try to get a few processors for a demo. And before you try them all just narrow down the ones that fit your budget and your stations format. Like Goran said the Orbans are very good allrounders. Regarding the DSPXtreme, I agree with Goran. I've yet to hear another processor that produces the bass I like so much in the Xtreme. The sound is bang on my taste. But that's just me. I use it for R&B/Dance/Top 40 music and it rocks at that. The buildin leveler does a very good job in keeping the levels consistant. If you need to go loud and don't mind to have some "signature distortion" as I like to call it its a awsome processor that holds it own in any loudness war. But if you back down a bit it can easely be clean as well. I know many like the ariane leveler but the combo with the Xtra is not as good as the whole package in the Xtreme. Jut my personal opinion.
 
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