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Source: Rush Limbaugh to return to WPHT

who cares if Rush, Hannity & others go to WPHT. AM radio is on life--support.

people I know who are under the age of 50------------ do not listen to AM radio &
some of them don't listen to FM either.

Julius cares.

No one is sure why. He says it has something to do with his early attachment to WCAU. WPHT and WCAU are like the story of George Washington's ax. Guy stops by an antique shop in a remote part of West Virginia and sees a really old ax selling for several thousand dollars. Guy asks the owner what's so special? The owner says the ax belonged to George Washington. After the guy, a collector, buys the ax the shop owner tells him he can still use it. The ax has had four new heads and three new handles since George owned it.

WPHT is to WCAU like WNTP is to Wibbage. Like Family Radio is to the Station of the Stars. Like Christian radio is to Boss 56.

WCAU was a class act and would never give air time to a bunch of syndicated hate-mongers.
 
The ignorance in this thread, as most others, is amazing. Talk continues to be a massive format & the hope that conservative talk is dead is about as hopeful as MSNBC being #1 in ratings on TV.

Not only will Rush return to WPHT, Hannity will too.

Enjoy.
 
The "massive" format faces "massive" issues if it can't refocus its demos and broaden its appeal. You're not going to get a sudden bumper crop of 55+ new listeners.
 
The "massive" format faces "massive" issues if it can't refocus its demos and broaden its appeal. You're not going to get a sudden bumper crop of 55+ new listeners.

And CHR doesn't? Millenials don't want to listen to radio when they can listen to music on youtube (no, not even pandora).
 
I don't believe Talk Radio is dead, but evolving, just as radio has done since 1922 when radio stations started springing up all across America. Back in the day [1960's and early 70's] that Julius likes to remember when WCAU-AM was a Philly powerhouse as a talk station. Until WWDB came along, WCAU was THE only talk station in Philly. Even then WWDB made it two talk stations. All other stations on AM and FM were music stations, other than 740 WVCH in Chester being a Christian music/preaching station, and KYW newsradio.

Today, the Spoken Word format has grown in the Philly market: 560 WFIL Christian Talk/Preaching, 610 WIP-AM Sports Talk via CBS Sports Radio, 900 WURD Talk, 990 WNTP Conservative Talk [from the bird], 1060 KYW Newsradio, 1210 WPHT Conservative Talk some live and local some from the bird], 90.9 WHYY-FM NPR Spoken Word programming, 94.1 WIP-FM Philly-centric Sports Talk [live and local], 97.3 WENJ Sports Talk via ESPN Radio, 97.5 WPEN Philly-centric Sports Talk [live and local], I'm not including 106.9 as it is going back to a music format.

Then the rim shot stations that have good signals into either all or part of the Philly market: 101.5 WKXW News/Talk Trenton, 660 WFAN Sports Talk NYC, 710 WOR NYC, 740 WVCH Christian talk/preaching Chester, 770 WABC NYC, 800 WTMR Christian talk/preaching Camden, 920 WCHR Christian talk/preaching Trenton, 1040 WNJE Sports Talk Flemington NJ, 1130 WBBR NYC Business News/Talk via Bloomberg Radio, 1150 WDEL NewsTalk Wilmington, 1180 WYFL Talk King of Prussia, 1290 WWTX SportsTalk vai Fox Sports Radio, 1420 WCOJ CatholicTalk via ETRN Radio, Coatsville, 1440 WNPV Talk Landsdale, 1450 WILM News/Talk via Premiere Radio, and 1520 WCHE Talk West Chester. Back in the day most if not all of these stations were music format too.

So there are many places Philly's talk listeners could go to hear talk thus lowering the market share each has. As I live below Wilmington, I can not get many of these AM stations, but even so, I've got quite a few choices too, and I listen to a few of them depending on what's being talked about on a given day. So maybe other talk listeners are doing the same. For instance I listen to WHYY-FM, WDEL, WWTX, WIP-AM, WIP-FM, WPEN the Fanatic, and WBBR [Bloomberg Radio] on a regular basis. I go around the dial to hear what's being discussed and then pick one.

Even FM music format station with their AM drive time shows have adopted some level of talk into their programs, be it some gossipy, or slightly edgy "sexual innuendo" topics, etc.

So I'd have to say the Spoken Word format is alive and well. I believe we'll hear more spoken word on FM, as AM becomes more ethnic and religious formated. FM will eventually go more spoken word. Music is so splintered these days. In the 60's WFIL, WIBG, WAMS were the rock stations that the teens listened to, adults listened to WIP - AM / FM, WPEN, WDEL AM / FM, WILM, WTUX, etc [stations my folks listened to back then]. The Classical Music station was WFLN AM / FM. I don't remember hearing any Country stations back in the 60's. Then FM started playing modern music and that started AM's decline. The Rock music world also changed with "underground" rock [the heavier louder "drug oriented" music] vs the pop rock that was AM's staple product.

Today there's all sorts of Rock formats targeting a specific audience. WMMR, WMGK, are very different from BEN-FM, WSOX, WOGL, and are different from WJBR or B-101, vs WDAS-FM, WJKS, etc.

So eventually I believe spoken word will move more to FM. I do agree though that spoken word format appeals more to a more mature audience. So it probably won't become the teenybopper format of choice. But once you're in the working world supporting a family, paying taxes, etc, etc, then the news, commentary, talk become more of an interest.

I believe Talk Radio's challenge is to tweak their format so that it might appeal more to those 30-50 demos, both male and female. I believe Sports Talk is trying to do that, and WIP-FM and WPEN's ratings show plenty of listeners like talk, but doesn't have to be political talk.

WHYY-FM's numbers show that you can pull in a sizable audience with intelligent non-argumentative talk that can be political, but doesn't have to be political. Interestingly, WNTP offers a similar format in conservative style talk as the more liberal leaning NPR format, yet WHYY-FM pulls a far larger share than WNTP. It seems that possibly conservative talk listeners want that bombast, in your face "Joe Pyne" "Rush Limbaugh" type talk show over the more serene talk of WHYY/NPR or Salem Talk Radio/WNTP.
 
AM news--talk radio can tweak the format but not many younger people willl bother with AM radio.
and I doubt many younger people willl bother much with news---talk on FM either.
 
AM news--talk radio can tweak the format but not many younger people willl bother with AM radio.
and I doubt many younger people willl bother much with news---talk on FM either.

Why should younger people bother with it?

Lazy programmers have made sure that the image of talkradio in the minds of most is, well, entirely accurate: Angry, white, older, far right-wingers who all say the same political/ideological garbage over and over, day after day. By the way, if it was all left wing garbage all day long, it would be boring too, but it doesn't help that the hardcore conservatism also happens to be gradually evaporating demographically on top of all else.

Today's talkradio really is boring to many who would otherwise enjoy entertaining and passionate conversation. I know many people personally who can get in a great, opinionated discussion about various issues, but don't adhere to some rigid ideological set of talking points. Why talkradio does that is beyond me. Then again, I do know that many programmers are lazy and shortsighted. Let's start there.
 
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Flybynight: What sort of topics would the younger audience find entertaining and be a cause for passionate conversation? I don't know if you read my long winded post above, but I don't listen to the typical political talk either. No Rush, No Dick Morris, No Sean Hannity, YES NPR interviews/long news form/spoken word shows/ topical talk, YES Sports/Talk.

But beyond Sports/Talk, what sort of talk show on the radio would appeal to the younger audience? Financial Talk? Computer Talk? Hollywood Gossip/Talk? Love Life Advice/Talk?

There are some national financial advice/talk shows on Clark Howard [airs locally on WDEL and WNPV] and Dave Ramsey [WNVP, WCHE]. Kim Kommando does a national Computer Issue/Advice/Talk show [can be heard locally on WILM on Saturday afternoons]. Don't know of any hollywood gossipy radio shows, but Delilah's show has been on for years [WJBR airs it locally]. I can not answer as I'm 62, so I truly do not have a clue what a 20-30 something would want to listen to in terms of talk or to call in to discuss.
 
NJ 101.5 gets money demo listeners and is not locked in to ideology. They've been doing it and doing well for almost a quarter century but the industry (and apparently some people who post here) are not willing to notice.

Occasionally, someone will post the blatantly false statement that the NJ 101.5 format has not been successful anywhere else. The name of the market and station are never included in those statements. There have been other stations which have had some elements in common but nobody has ever tried to recreate the formula. Just insert some elements into same old, same old right-wing talk.

For the record, "spoken word" is not a format. Any more than music radio is a format. Sports talk does draw male, money demo listeners. Put on topics some people are interested in and present it in an appealing fashion and those people will listen. It would help to have compelling personalities but radio doesn't have many of those left and certainly isn't developing new ones. Failing all of those things, radio can get people angry (right-wing talk) or afraid (brokered religion).
 
I don't believe Talk Radio is dead, but evolving, just as radio has done since 1922 when radio stations started springing up all across America. Back in the day [1960's and early 70's] that Julius likes to remember when WCAU-AM was a Philly powerhouse as a talk station. Until WWDB came along, WCAU was THE only talk station in Philly.
I was born in December 1981. I started listening to 1210 AM around 86-87.
 
Sorry Julius, didn't mean to make you older than you apparently are. When you talk about how great WCAU was I think back to an earlier time, sorry.

The late 60's early 70's was a great time for WCAU, radio 121 in Philadelphia. My favorite talker then was Jack McKinney's Night Talk. WCAU also had other great talk hosts, another two others I really liked were Dominic Quinn, who, if I remember correctly, ended up at WWDB later, also Joel A. Spivack [son of big band leader and trumpeter Charlie Spivack as I recall].
 
Flybynight: What sort of topics would the younger audience find entertaining and be a cause for passionate conversation?

Hot talk would be successful if stations weren't afraid to do it right. It might not work on AM anymore, though. Younger people just don't listen to AM radio. It has nothing to do with content, they just don't listen to it.
 
Hot talk would be successful if stations weren't afraid to do it right. It might not work on AM anymore, though. Younger people just don't listen to AM radio. It has nothing to do with content, they just don't listen to it.

Can't believe I agree for once with SMG, but yes, hot talk would work if stations did it correctly, which means NOT doing T&A talk like they tried years ago. That was dumb and boring.

A perfect example of "hot talk" would be Tom Leykis circa 1991-1993 when he ruled PM drive in Los Angeles. He did current events/issue-oriented talk, but with high energy and a lot of provocative and edgy conversation.

"Hot talk" content was similar in a lot of ways to traditional talkradio, but the delivery was so much younger sounding.

All you need are talk hosts who are interesting, animated and non-ideologues. With the torpedoing of the farm system and the reliance on conserva-talk for so long, I'm not even sure where you find those these days is beyond me.
 
I don't believe Talk Radio is dead, but evolving, just as radio has done since 1922 when radio stations started springing up all across America. Back in the day [1960's and early 70's] that Julius likes to remember when WCAU-AM was a Philly powerhouse as a talk station. Until WWDB came along, WCAU was THE only talk station in Philly. Even then WWDB made it two talk stations. All other stations on AM and FM were music stations, other than 740 WVCH in Chester being a Christian music/preaching station, and KYW newsradio.




So I'd have to say the Spoken Word format is alive and well. I believe we'll hear more spoken word on FM, as AM becomes more ethnic and religious formated. FM will eventually go more spoken word. Music is so splintered these days. In the 60's WFIL, WIBG, WAMS were the rock stations that the teens listened to, adults listened to WIP - AM / FM, WPEN, WDEL AM / FM, WILM, WTUX, etc [stations my folks listened to back then]. The Classical Music station was WFLN AM / FM. I don't remember hearing any Country stations back in the 60's. Then FM started playing modern music and that started AM's decline. The Rock music world also changed with "underground" rock [the heavier louder "drug oriented" music] vs the pop rock that was AM's staple product.

WCAU was not the only local talk station before WWDB. In the early 1970's WEEZ Chester also ran an all-local talk format "People Power WEEZ". It was the forerunner of WWDB, with Wynn Moore, Irv Homer & Ken Boehm & others who were hired for the original WWDB air staff in 1975 (and WEEZ changed back to music shortly after that).

There were several country music stations in the 1960's. WBUX Doylestown had block-programmed country shows since the 1950's and went all country in 1967. WIBF-FM Jenkintown played country in the evenings (influencing then-child Ray Benson in Springfield Montco. to form the best known Western swing band of the past 40 years, Asleep at the Wheel). WEEZ Chester "in the Philly-Wilmington corridor"was the first all country station in the area from 1965 - early '70s. Then WRCP 1540-104.5 switched to country from MOR in September, 1967 and pushed the smaller stations out of the format with '50,000 watts of Real Country Power' from the 'Rittenhouse Ranch'.

Also in adult formats in the 1960's don't forget how big a format beautiful music/easy listening was, with WQAL/WWSH, WDVR/WEAZ, WJBR, WFMZ, WPBS, WNAR, etc.
 
Can't believe I agree for once with SMG, but yes, hot talk would work if stations did it correctly, which means NOT doing T&A talk like they tried years ago. That was dumb and boring.

A perfect example of "hot talk" would be Tom Leykis circa 1991-1993 when he ruled PM drive in Los Angeles. He did current events/issue-oriented talk, but with high energy and a lot of provocative and edgy conversation.

"Hot talk" content was similar in a lot of ways to traditional talkradio, but the delivery was so much younger sounding.

All you need are talk hosts who are interesting, animated and non-ideologues. With the torpedoing of the farm system and the reliance on conserva-talk for so long, I'm not even sure where you find those these days is beyond me.

You find it on the Internet. Mostly from guys who used to work in major market radio.

Mike O'Meara - east coast mornings
Adam Carolla - west coast mornings
Big O and Dukes - east coast afternoons
Tom Leykis - west coast afternoons

There, I just built you a format. No, it's not local.

Steve Dahl is out there. Kidd Chris is out there.
 
You find it on the Internet. Mostly from guys who used to work in major market radio.

Mike O'Meara - east coast mornings
Adam Carolla - west coast mornings
Big O and Dukes - east coast afternoons
Tom Leykis - west coast afternoons

There, I just built you a format. No, it's not local.

Steve Dahl is out there. Kidd Chris is out there.

Those are great examples.

Jay Thomas is another, although he's with Sirius now.
 
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