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Sox announcer gets to call Bonds HR #755*

There are virtually no African Americans in the NHL. Should all of the records before the first Black Hockey player be asterisked? There was probably a de facto ban in the NHL. It just went unnoticed.

Although he wasn't African-American, IIRC the Bruins signed the first Black NHL player in 1958. If the NHL had a de facto ban it was on Americans. In 1962 only one American player was in the NHL, and he played for the Bruins.

Of course, color-based timelines in baseball are just as silly as any other timelines in any other sports, mostly because the game itself, and how it is played, is dynamic. Do you start 'qualifying' the records of anyone who pitched or hit after the introduction of the designated hitter rule since it changed the game for the AL and not the NL? Pre or post high mound, low mound ?Or throw out all the dead ball era pitching stats because it took a howitzer to hit a ball into the bleachers before 1920? How about all the fielding records being divvied up between those who played before the fingers on gloves were laced, and those who played after? How about records from before expansion and after, and then another qualifyer added for every round of expansion after the first? You played whomever was available to be played at the time you were playing. For all anyone knows, the greatest baseball player of all time could have been some Australian in 1935 who couldn't afford ship passage to make it to a tryout in the States. Maybe. But we're never going to find out, so it isn't worth worrying about.

Bonds' biggest problem is that nobody likes him, and so a lot of folks, hoping against hope, want him to fail, which isn't all that unusual. Probably the most prevalent prejudice in modern society is a prejudice against people we personally just don't like. When you hear Bonds being described, by players, some fans, and some writers, you'd think SurlyAsshole was his middle name. It is interesting to note that Bond's most prominent detractor is Aaron himself, whom, if you read between the lines of his public statements, obviously thinks Bonds isn't fit to carry his jockstrap.

But if Bonds beats Aaron's record, he beats it. Nobody has to like it, but it is a fact and each person who cares can make of it what he wants. There won't be an asterisk next to his name in the official MLB record book, because there isn't an official MLB record book. Only a collection of stats, so everyone is free to have their own record book and make any notations they want.

And, if people want to make it a racial issue, I guess they're free to do that too. If Roger Maris was still around he'd think that Bonds was in a middle of a lovefest in San Francisco compared to the hostility he received from the New York media, the fans, and right up to the Commissioner's Office. Last I knew, Maris was a white guy from the upper Plains.

But, if somebody feels the need to do a computer simulation of Satchel Paige pitching against the '27 Yankees and play with the data enough to put him down as the greatest pitcher of all time, knock yourself out. Just don't expect it to mean anything.

Things are what they are.

As for O'Brien's call of the home run, assuming he's in a position to do it, as was mentioned on the radio this morning, expect it to have all the excitement and passion of an Associated Press wire story.

Regards,
TSB
 
ArtSpooner said:
At their highest level African Americans made up 19% of MLB. This was in the 70s. That is currently down to 7.6%. My point is that they were never that much of a factor. In particular the pitchers, who would have had the only direct effect on Ruth. It was a huge injustice to ban them, however they never reached the significance of the percentage of the NBA or NFL African American levels.

If they had played, MLB still would have been 81% non-black at their highest level. Triple-A? To say that the major leagues were Triple-A because a group that represented less than 10% of the U.S. population at the time, was excluded, is not logical. According to that reasoning Jackie Robinson broke into a league that was only at Triple-A level. Doesn't that diminish his, and many of the early African American ballplayers', accomplishments?

There are virtually no African Americans in the NHL. Should all of the records before the first Black Hockey player be asterisked? There was probably a de facto ban in the NHL. It just went unnoticed.
40 % of Baseball players today are People of Color ( Black,Latin,and Others ) .Take 40% MBL players out of the League and what do you have ( alot of triple-A Players in MLB ) . Jackie Robinson was not the most talented Black Ball player at that time ( he still put up big numbers in Triple A or I mean MLB ), but MLB choose Jackie Robinson, because MLB knew that Jackie Robinson can put up with all the racist crap in baseball ( and he was a good Ball player ).
 
rapking said:
ArtSpooner said:
Babe Ruth hit 22 homers in his last full year and batted .288; the year before he hit 34 homers and hit .301. I think he would have made the team.
Not bad against Triple A talent . I am sure if Ruth played with and against all race of humans, Those numbers will be alot lower ( If Ruth was able to make the team ) .

That's the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard.

That's like me saying that if there had been more Domicans and other Hispanics during Aaron's era, he'd have less homers. It makes zerio sense.
 
Bonds HR #755**********

This has nothing whatsoever to do with race. IF Bonds did, in fact, do steroids - it
has to do with the fact that not only did he cheat, he then lied about it... Hank Aaron's
record is above suspicion - HE came by HIS record honestly...
 
Re: Bonds HR #755**********

WLYNgm said:
This has nothing whatsoever to do with race. IF Bonds did, in fact, do steroids - it
has to do with the fact that not only did he cheat, he then lied about it... Hank Aaron's
record is above suspicion - HE came by HIS record honestly...

he did... he was also subjected to an obscene amount of racism when he was closing in on the record. As for Bonds, I think it has more to do with the a-hole factor than race. I'm not even interested in watching Bonds because it'll be a fraudulent record.
 
rapking said:
40 % of Baseball players today are People of Color ( Black,Latin,and Others ) .Take 40% MBL players out of the League and what do you have ( alot of triple-A Players in MLB ) .

And what do you get when you take the 60% of white players away?? The same thing, a lot of people of color that would only be playing at the triple A level...so your argument holds no merit. By the way, this isn't about race. I loved it when Barry hit 73...now that the 'roid issue and the true Barry (translation - miserable SOB) has reared his ugly head, I am not a fan. Hank Aaron, on the other hand, is class personified.

Back to the topic, I think Dave O'Brien sounds great on Sox games. I would like to hear the chemistry he and Joe would have if they got to call 162 together!!
 
40 % of Baseball players today are People of Color ( Black,Latin,and Others ) .

100% of MLB players are MLB players, which would seem to be the only stat that really matters. YMMV, and obviously does.

Take 40% MBL players out of the League and what do you have

Take the African-American ballpayers out of the equation, and you get the 2005 Astros. Add them in, and you get the 40% African-American 1975 Yankees getting swept by the 12% African-American Reds. Or the heavily African-American Pirates in the mid 80s being considered the worst team in baseball. You can play this game all day long, so what is the point? It all proves alsolutely nothing.

Since 97% of the folks who buy tickets to MLB games are white, I guess you could say that replacing that 7% of African-American ballplayers with caucasians, Latinos, and Japanese would have just about zero effect on ticket sales and team revenues, since they certainly don't get any support from African American community, but do get support from the latino community (which is why the games are broadcast in Spanish on radio and closed-captioned on television.) In five years, probably 10 teams in MLB will have no African-American players, one team already has none, and a number of others on their way to none (like the Dodgers.) With only 6% of NCAA baseball players African-American, and with MLB increasingly using colleges as a incubator for players, it's pretty easy to see where this is all heading. What would the baseball teams have to do to prove to you they weren't racist, start drafting wide receivers and power forwards?

( alot of triple-A Players in MLB )

Especially after 1960, you've always had a number of players in the bigs who didn't belong there, including African-American ones, which is why the average career of a MLB player is 5.6 years and not 15, and with 20% of position players playing only 1 year.

. Jackie Robinson was not the most talented Black Ball player at that time ( he still put up big numbers in Triple A or I mean MLB ), but MLB choose Jackie Robinson, because MLB knew that Jackie Robinson can put up with all the racist crap in baseball ( and he was a good Ball player

I assume you mean Branch Rickey, and not MLB.

Regards,
TSB
 
O'Brien also got to call Bonds' record breaker tonight. Now maybe he can return to doing Red Sox
Radio and save us from any more Glenn Goofner.
 
radiorama1 said:
Lets hope the next Home Run King ( A-RoD, Yankees Win, DuH Yankess Win ), Will be just that ( 100% Home Runs, No Racist league, No Cream,Needle or any type of drugs ) .
 
mistermicrophone said:
rapking said:
40 % of Baseball players today are People of Color ( Black,Latin,and Others ) .Take 40% MBL players out of the League and what do you have ( alot of triple-A Players in MLB ) .

And what do you get when you take the 60% of white players away?? The same thing, a lot of people of color that would only be playing at the triple A level...so your argument holds no merit. By the way, this isn't about race. I loved it when Barry hit 73...now that the 'roid issue and the true Barry (translation - miserable SOB) has reared his ugly head, I am not a fan. Hank Aaron, on the other hand, is class personified.

Back to the topic, I think Dave O'Brien sounds great on Sox games. I would like to hear the chemistry he and Joe would have if they got to call 162 together!!
If you read my post, I said MLB and the Negro league Records get a *( Before Jackie Robinson ) .
 
Bonds HR #755**********

See kids - it's OK to cheat and lie - as long as you're politically correct!
Anybody who says something I don't like is a racist. Whine, whine, whine.
Will the whining EVER stop?
 
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