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Speculation has 104.7 to country

Country indeed hot and this could shave ratings points
off competitors, as is the thinking in Boston. For thosr
talk fans (older demo) they could indeed as suggested
put Beck, Rush and Sean on 970 and move sports to
the translator.If do, maybe a quick debut and a 'no ads rest of
summer' gimmick as they did in Bos. or wait till
Labor Day
 
They've been floating that rumor on the Voy forum for weeks now, at least whenever Karl allows any posts to show.

I think there's a very good chance you are correct about that rumor.

I also think that with the fans of country music in Pittsburgh currently divided between the Froggys and WDSY, if 104.7 switches to country, they'll take some listeners away from the Froggys and some away from WDSY, and the end result will be all three country stations will be much worse off than they are now.

Whoever says that conservative news/talk is losing listeners is correct. The audience for that content is aging out. But moving from a dying format into a head-to-head-to-head confrontation with two reasonably well entrenched competitors is probably a damn-fool stupid thing to do. The new country station on 104.7 (I'm assuming they'll give it new calls) probably won't do as well as WPGB is doing, but they'll know WDSY and the Froggys down a little. KDKA will win by default by picking up some of WPGB's listeners.

I'm glad it's not my responsibility to come up with a winning formula for 104.7. I did think the short-lived "man station" was a great concept, but extremely poorly executed. I think that a format similar to that, but done really, really well could be a winner. But I don't think that the folks running 104.7 could possibly run a radical new programming concept successfully.
 
Should 104.7 flip to country, Kirby's Froggy rimshots would most likely to take the first salvo and in time, sustain the greatest loss. Perhaps debilitating them. WDSY is well programmed and positioned. Expect it to fight tooth and nail to retain listeners. This should be quite a brawl, reminiscent of the AOR and CHR tussles years ago.
 
Who's the audience CC would go for if they go to country? This is from a Boston Herald article about drunken fans at a Keith Urban concert in Bos area. It's not 55 year old Bubbas.:
>>http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2014/07/drunken_keith_urban_crowd_nutso_behaved

"“This was our worst night that I know of this year,” Dentino said. “This one just exploded and exploded early. The country fans of yesterday aren’t the country fans of today, who are predominantly 17 to 28 and female. The primary reason for them going there is to party and secondary to that is to listen to the music.
 
But moving from a dying format into a head-to-head-to-head confrontation with two reasonably well entrenched competitors is probably a damn-fool stupid thing to do.

Country is obviously a major for mat initiative for Clear Channel and Premiere. They have to get The Bobby Bones Show in as many major markets as possible to compete against Cumulus. This will be another market (like Boston) where they get a clear and Cumulus doesn't. Score one for CC. It doesn't have to beat either of the established stations. It's all about promoting the brand, and maybe shave a fraction from CBS to strengthen DVE and move 3WS to #2.

Who's the audience CC would go for if they go to country? This is from a Boston Herald article about drunken fans at a Keith Urban concert in Bos area. It's not 55 year old Bubbas.

Exactly. Part of CC's strategy is driving down the average age for country. It's the new CHR. They will point to DSY as "old country," just as they did with KLB in Boston
 
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When The Bull debuted in Boston, they quickly did a liner saying "Now you have a country station of your own...
and your parents still have theirs." WKLB quickly responded by cancelling the longtime Sun. morning country oldies
show and accenting "#1 for Boston's Hot New Country". Message received.
 
Just out of curiosity, are any of the folks participating in this discussion of Pittsburgh radio either current or former Yinzers?
 
Does anyone participating in this discussion of Pittsburgh radio even know what "Yinzer" means?
 
Yinz wanna bet the Stillers gonna beat the Browns an' win their division?

Finally! Someone in this thread gets what I'm talkin' abaat, anat.

Pittsburgh is Pittsburgh. In many ways, it's unique. Just because something works or doesn't work in one market has little impact on how well or poorly it does in da 'Burgh. It's not the only market in the country that is unique enough that not every cookie cutter idea automatically works. But it is one of the few. If you know generic radio, but you don't know Pittsburgh, you're better off working in a different market.
 
Y'might be surprised to find that Pittsburgh has a lot in common with rivals in Cleveburg, an' Buff'lo (which Brady PA's Jim Kelly now calls home), an' Milwaukee... an' Chicago... an' maybe if y'look close enough, even those cheese steak Iggles bums in Philly... but only a little, because everybody knows Philadelphia and Pittsburgh are night and day. BTW, where does the Pittsburgh influence end and the Philly influence begin. Friends say it's somewhere around State College. Some say Harrisburg. The accents will immediately distinguish a local from an outsider. What's sometimes called 'cookie cutter' radio can work in different markets if it's localized and tailored. Every market has its local legends and icons. Some come from other markets and after several years, settle down and become accepted as one of the 'locals.' This is where strong sense of community comes into the process. Smart personalities and managers from outside the market will listen and allow themselves to be schooled by the locals to get a good sense of the communities. But usually, a hit is a hit is a hit, and a stiff is a stiff is a stiff. It's what surrounds the hits that makes a station a local legend. You're always welcome to visit the Buff'lo-Niag'ra Falls-Rochester board, where from time to time, you'll read similar opinions.
 
Y'might be surprised to find that Pittsburgh has a lot in common with rivals in Cleveburg, an' Buff'lo (which Brady PA's Jim Kelly now calls home), an' Milwaukee... an' Chicago... an' maybe if y'look close enough, even those cheese steak Iggles bums in Philly... but only a little, because everybody knows Philadelphia and Pittsburgh are night and day. BTW, where does the Pittsburgh influence end and the Philly influence begin. Friends say it's somewhere around State College. Some say Harrisburg. The accents will immediately distinguish a local from an outsider. What's sometimes called 'cookie cutter' radio can work in different markets if it's localized and tailored. Every market has its local legends and icons. Some come from other markets and after several years, settle down and become accepted as one of the 'locals.' This is where strong sense of community comes into the process. Smart personalities and managers from outside the market will listen and allow themselves to be schooled by the locals to get a good sense of the communities. But usually, a hit is a hit is a hit, and a stiff is a stiff is a stiff. It's what surrounds the hits that makes a station a local legend. You're always welcome to visit the Buff'lo-Niag'ra Falls-Rochester board, where from time to time, you'll read similar opinions.

If it is "localized and tailored", it is no longer "cookie cutter".

The key difference between Pittsburgh and other markets, as I see it, is that while a great many people have left Pittsburgh, and contributed aspects of Pittsburgh culture to other parts of the country, not that many new people are moving into Pittsburgh. Some, yes. But not the same degree of incoming new residents from other areas. That might change over the next few years with the fracking boom bringing outsiders in to the Pittsburgh area to live.

I'm not saying that Pittsburgh is as different as a foreign country. But it's different enough that the localizing and tailoring you mention is more important in the 'Burgh than it would be in other cities, even other rust belt cities.
 
If this is true, then Pittsburgh has a terrible radio market. 3 Country stations? smh. At least make it Urban but then again they already have Kiss
 
If this is true, then Pittsburgh has a terrible radio market. 3 Country stations? smh. At least make it Urban but then again they already have Kiss

Kansas City is another Midwest market with three country stations. Cincinnati is another. Oklahoma City.
 
Pittsburgh has an aging population. Allegheny County, where Pittsburgh is located, has the oldest average population of any county in the entire United States outside of the retirement centers in Florida and Arizona. Pittsburgh is a market where if you ignore listeners over 55, there just aren't very many people left to try to attract. And before some nitpicker chimes in, note that I didn't say there weren't any younger people there. I said that there weren't "very many". In total population, the Pittsburgh market might be in the mid 20s somewhere. But remove all of the older demographics, and it's more like the mid 30s.
 
It's official. Talk radio to 1320. Big announcement on
104.7 at 3PM. They probably flip to country at that time.
 
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