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Spitzer and radio.

All that's here is discovery from the prosecution. There's no real information or indictment posted here and there's no defense response. Do we need to go to ECF to find the defense! And what's the case number?

I still think Entercom looks pretty commical however. And Rox it kinda shows that you've got a grudge here.
 
You guys can yammer on about the Payola scandals all you want. But to keep the topic current, the reason Spitzer is in hot water? simple: you don't mess with Uncle Joe. You don't invite the feds to investigate Uncle Joe when he got on your case regarding trooper-gate (and half-a-dozen other things). When you do that, then Uncle Joe might make a few phone calls and have your financials looked at by the feds too. What's good for goose, right? If only Spitzy had a brain, he'd have known to never mess with Uncle Joe, the guy who really runs NYS.

Spitzer is gone, good riddance. Another richie-rich shmuck elected by downstaters and the left end of the state. Throw in Hillary and you guys are 0 for 2.
 
Not-so-smarty pants

No personal grudge, Slick. "He who shall not be named" didn't affect my life at all. The whole payola thing hit a lot of innocent people, from listeners to guys who got let go because their salaries helped pay the fines.

Spitzer certainly had enemies. Bruno, bankers, Wall Street, radio, record companies - that's just a small part of the list. Which makes his behavior even more puzzling. You'd think that he'd know enough to be more careful - or a least have a flunky do his dirty work in procuring his "dates".

Throw in a state government that was broken to begin with, and we have a discussion that could go on for days on an appropriate forum - which this ain't!
 
Now that The Love Guv has been bounced out of office, does anyone have a forwarding address?

I'd like to send The Steamroller a thank-you note for one of the best weeks for news-talk radio in New York State in recent memory.
 
Reading the comments here about Eliot Spitzer as Attorney General and finding myself wondering if posters genuinely believe that as AG of New York, Spitzer should have cut some slack to all parties involved in the payola and plugola scandal a few years ago.

There appears to be a body of thought that Entercom, Citadel, CBS, Clear Channel and other local individuals and companies should have been given a pass for breaking the law, or at least that such transgressions should not have been arduously pursued. I don't understand, nor do I agree.

Does not the proper functioning of a civilized society depend on individuals and businesses complying with the laws that govern their businesses and lives? Regardless of who's responsible for enforcing those laws and prosecuting the parties who have been charged with breaking the law, the law must be upheld.

As it relates to the payola and plugola cases of a few years ago, the actions that transpired between the record companies, promoters and radio stations, as well as some individuals at those stations, were against the law. It was the Attorney General's responsibility to charge and prosecute those parties who violated the law.

Was Spitzer and his department heavy-handed? Arguably so. But no more heavy-handed than the counsel who represented the individuals and companies involved.

It's difficult to have much sympathy for those companies that broke the law in the payola-plugola scandals; equally difficult to have sympathy for the man who prosecuted those parties, yet broke other laws (perhaps for many years) and recently fell from grace. But Spitzer's actions don't make those charged, and in some cases, those who pleaded no contest or guilty, with payola-plugola any less culpable. Bankers, Wall Street wolves, radio CEO's and record companies may have had a hearty laugh at Spitzer's demise, but Spitzer's failings don't exonerate the broadcasters, record companies and individuals for their transgressions of the law.

Spitzer's sexual misconduct violated the law, but the greater failings may be the hubris, extremism and callousness that he displayed bringing to justice those he prosecuted over the years as attorney general. Perhaps this entire ordeal can serve as lessons in pride, humility and common sense. To say nothing of repentence and forgiveness, all in due time.
 
There's an interesting story about something that Spitzer was doing that may have actually been positive at: www.GregPalast.com.

It doesn't change anything about the fact that he has been portrayed by many as a hypocritical bully, but it's a good read.
 
There's an interesting story about something that Spitzer was doing that may have actually been positive at: www.GregPalast.com.

It doesn't change anything about the fact that he has been portrayed by many as a hypocritical bully, but it's a good read.

Debaser,

Thanks for posting this link. Palast is a great investigative reporter. An excellent article and another scary story of the alliance of powerful forces in government and ultra weathy corporate interests...I guess Woody Guthrie was wrong -- this land was not made for you and me. Unfortunately, this is only the tip of the iceberg of the sad state of affairs in our once proud nation.

Spitzer was/is a hypocritical bully, but had the people's interests at heart. I'm glad he also went after corporate radio. Payola is against the law. Deal with it.
 
ELEMENT 9

If Spitzer really was enforcing laws that were broken I would agree with you. The Wall Street Journal contains some very interesting pieces about his tactics this past week. Many of the things he grabbed headlines over were in fact legal, but bad publicity for those involved. Spitzer used obscure statutes for other than their intended purposes to hold public companies hostage and force a settlement that made him look good politically.

His cases almost never went to court, and when they did, he usually lost. Worth reading the archives if you are in fact are interested in what he really was about.

Here is a link to one article:

http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120528114453028807.html

Here is an excerpt:

Mr. Spitzer's main offense as a prosecutor is that he violated the basic rules of fairness and due process: Innocent until proven guilty; the right to your day in court. The Spitzer method was to target public companies and officials, leak allegations and out-of-context emails to a compliant press, watch the stock price fall, threaten a corporate indictment (a death sentence), and then move in for a quick settlement kill. There was rarely a trial, fair or unfair, involved.

On the substance, his court record speaks for itself. Most of Mr. Spitzer's high-profile charges have gone up in smoke. A New York state judge threw out his case against tax firm H&R Block. He lost his prosecution against Bank of America broker Ted Sihpol (whom Mr. Spitzer threatened to arrest in front of his child and pregnant wife). Mr. Spitzer was stopped by a federal judge from prying confidential information out of mortgage companies. Another New York judge blocked the heart of his suit against Mr. Grasso. Mr. Greenberg continues to fight his civil charges. The press was foursquare behind Mr. Spitzer in all these cases, and in a better world they'd share some of his humiliation.
 
Points well-made JG. I wouldn't be so naive to believe that Spitzer wasn't all about Spitzer. Yet he deserves credit for holding Wall Street's feet to the fire. Dickie Grasso was a bum. The Mutual Fund sector (industry) skimmed millions of dollars from hundreds of thousands of clients using after-hours trades and shady trade deals to benefit favored clients, while widows and orphans got nickeled and dimed to death and the boys on the street bought bigger yachts and nicer digs in the Hamptons.

As we're coming to find out, Spitzer wasn't/isn't pure as the driven snow. Yet, I wouldn't be surprised if Joey Bruno whispered into a few peoples' ears. There was no love lost between those two mamoth egos, cut from opposite ends of the same cloth. Spitzer was a control freak, confrontational and never wrong. He lacked a sense of compromise and diplomacy, but he had the brains and nads to push the right buttons and get the attention of the barons and wolves who suddenly realized there were no free passes.

BTW, the Palast story on the sub-prime mortgage industry is well worth the read.

The AG's office under Spitzer reeled in a lot of companies that were playing fast and loose with the rules. All of a sudden, they had somebody paying attention to their game of Million Dollar Three Card Monty. As to the WSJ, it's no doubt a fine publication, but it's universally regarded as the mouthpiece and defender of all things Wall Street, in many instances, blindly devoted to commerce. No, I'm not a Marxist.

One more observation, it's a pity that listeners won't find any of this on WBEN, thank the radio gods that listeners have WNED-AM and WBFO-FM. There. Now it's a radio post, less likely to trip the "Take It Outside" Claymores.

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Amen to all of that.

It's also a pity that those who were fired were NOT at the top.
 
I want to thank all of the legal types who've posted here. As a layman I can't really get to the point effectively. Be it Nifong in North Carolina, or Spitzer in New York, prosecuters need to be held accountable.

New York is better off without Spitzer, period.
 
Savage said:
Now that The Love Guv has been bounced out of office, does anyone have a forwarding address?

I'd like to send The Steamroller a thank-you note for one of the best weeks for news-talk radio in New York State in recent memory.

I heard his address was 21 JUMP Street ;D
 
slickkicker said:
I want to thank all of the legal types who've posted here. As a layman I can't really get to the point effectively. Be it Nifong in North Carolina, or Spitzer in New York, prosecuters need to be held accountable.

New York is better off without Spitzer, period.


Legal Types??!!!!

As far as I can tell we are just a bunch of old disk jockeys who, if we had a brain, would have gone out and got a respectable job.

I voted for Spitzer and had high hopes for him......
but then I invested heavily in AM Stereo.
 
What's the difference between lawyers and old disk jockeys?

Nothing. They both think that they know everything. :D
 
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