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Split Licensed Stations

I don't think there are any more left, so I'm putting the question here in the classic section

Anyway, in Chicago in April 1982 WPWR signed on Channel 60. It was licensed to Aurora, IL and broadcast from 2:30am - 7pm. After that WBBS-TV signed on as Channel 60 from West Chicago and broadcast from 7pm - 2:30am.

WPWR was a general entertainment station and also ran a scrambled picture for certain sporting events they had the rights to, called Sportsvision.

WBBS was a Spanish language station.

So does anyone else have examples of one TV station/channel be split and licensed to different broadcasters?
 
WTHS & WPBT Miami was one. They shared Channel 2 between 1955 and 1979.

Another was KOY-TV and KOOL-TV Channel 10 Phoenix. That lasted for about a year in 1953-54 until KOY-TV sold out to KOOL. Others were in Minneapolis, Kansas City, and Rochester NY, but I forget the call letters and channels.
 
KeithE4 said:
WTHS & WPBT Miami was one. They shared Channel 2 between 1955 and 1979.

Another was KOY-TV and KOOL-TV Channel 10 Phoenix. That lasted for about a year in 1953-54 until KOY-TV sold out to KOOL. Others were in Minneapolis, Kansas City, and Rochester NY, but I forget the call letters and channels.

Actally WPBT did not make the scene until about 1969; before that it was 100% WTHS, with a very limited schedule, great for DXing, as it was Ch 2.

There was also the famous commercial/NET share of Ch 10 Lansing MI (was it WILX/WMSB?). That was weird seeing two ch 10 bullets of the same likeness in that TV Guide edition. One of our posters (I think) gave a very complicated schedule they used. (Woulda loved to hear the announcement as one transitions to the other.)

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KeithE4 said:
WTHS & WPBT Miami was one. They shared Channel 2 between 1955 and 1979.

Another was KOY-TV and KOOL-TV Channel 10 Phoenix. That lasted for about a year in 1953-54 until KOY-TV sold out to KOOL. Others were in Minneapolis, Kansas City, and Rochester NY, but I forget the call letters and channels.

Minneapolis was WTCN and WMIN on Channel 11, from 1953 to '55; WTCN took over full-time in April of 1995. In Kansas City, it was KMBC and WHB sharing Channel 9, from August 1953 to June 1954, which KMBC taking over fulltime.
 
cd637299 said:
KeithE4 said:
WTHS & WPBT Miami was one. They shared Channel 2 between 1955 and 1979.

Actally WPBT did not make the scene until about 1969; before that it was 100% WTHS, with a very limited schedule, great for DXing, as it was Ch 2.

Unfortunately, that's not what the station today claims. Apparently it claims WTHS' history as its own, perhaps confusing the issue. According to previously known information, WTHS was run by the school board and WPBT was a local community initiative. WTHS ran a daytime schedule of school programming, while WPBT ran NET, and later PBS, programs at night--it's unclear whether there was down time in the afternoon, when the transmitter was off the air. I have not seen South Florida TV Guides from the 1960s, so I cannot say for sure. Except for afternoon down time, it would be hard to say where WTHS left off and WPBT began. Any natives of South Florida remember? The arrangement came to an end in 1979, when the school board moved all its programming to what became WLRN-TV.
 
I have lived in south FL 48 of my 52 years, and sadly I did not pay attention to what was said/shown during flips of WTHS/WPBT. I will say that the TV Guide for many years had it listed as [2] WTHS/WPBT (PBS), unlike the ch 10 thing in Lansing where it was on 2 separate lines, IIRC.

The TV Guide never listed WTHS/school programming as far as I remember; it was just the programming from 5pm to sign-off.

Apparently the WLRN-TV crew has no issue with WPBT usurping the WTHS time in their history.

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KeithE4 said:
WTHS & WPBT Miami was one. They shared Channel 2 between 1955 and 1979.

Another was KOY-TV and KOOL-TV Channel 10 Phoenix. That lasted for about a year in 1953-54 until KOY-TV sold out to KOOL. Others were in Minneapolis, Kansas City, and Rochester NY, but I forget the call letters and channels.

I'll beat Fybush to this one - Rochester was WHEC and WVET, both on Channel 10. WHEC of course is still on the air today.

I am not aware of split-time broadcasting historically on any Canadian television stations, although there are two examples that come close. French-language CBXFT in Edmonton handed over air time to the Metropolitan Edmonton Educational Television Association for English-language educational programming between 1970 and 1973. Also, CJCN-TV in Grand Falls, Newfoundland originally was a part-time rebroadcaster for CJON (CTV) St. John's, and part-time CBNT (CBC) St. John's, although CJCN itself had its own local programming.
 
M.J. said:
KeithE4 said:
WTHS & WPBT Miami was one. They shared Channel 2 between 1955 and 1979.

Another was KOY-TV and KOOL-TV Channel 10 Phoenix. That lasted for about a year in 1953-54 until KOY-TV sold out to KOOL. Others were in Minneapolis, Kansas City, and Rochester NY, but I forget the call letters and channels.

I'll beat Fybush to this one - Rochester was WHEC and WVET, both on Channel 10. WHEC of course is still on the air today.

I am not aware of split-time broadcasting historically on any Canadian television stations, although there are two examples that come close. French-language CBXFT in Edmonton handed over air time to the Metropolitan Edmonton Educational Television Association for English-language educational programming between 1970 and 1973. Also, CJCN-TV in Grand Falls, Newfoundland originally was a part-time rebroadcaster for CJON (CTV) St. John's, and part-time CBNT (CBC) St. John's, although CJCN itself had its own local programming.

And from 1969 to 1976, CKCW Moncton's northern New Brunswick relays (CKAM Upsalquitch Lake, CKCD Campbellton, and relays in NB and Quebec's Gaspe) carried a split feed of CTV and CBC programming, relaying CKCW at some points of the day (including some time-shifted programming) and CHSJ Saint John at others- this arrangement would end in fall 1976 when CHSJ established relays in Campbellton (CHCR-TV 4) and Chatham/Newcastle (CHCN-TV 6).
 
Mark said:
I don't think there are any more left, so I'm putting the question here in the classic section

To the best of my recollection you're right with regard to TV.

There are some timesharing situations left on FM, and at least one on AM. (there used to be *dozens* on AM; they've all consolidated over the years0

As M.J. suggests, to my knowledge there has never been a timesharing situation on TV in Canada. Single stations have shared two *networks* but there's been only one licensee. One such situation still exists in NL, where NTV airs both Global and CTV programming.
 
While posting some old California listings earlier today, found another split station...KSBW-TV/KMBY-TV Salinas/Monterey CA. According to the Wikipedia article, the stations shared ch 8 from the launch of the station in 1953 until they merged 2 years later.
 
"Rochester was WHEC and WVET, both on Channel 10. WHEC of course is still on the air today."

In a way so is WVET--because its then-owner, Vetersns' Broadcasting, took its money from the sale of its 50% share of Channel 10 to Gannett, pooled it with some additional cash it had in the kitty, and swallowed WROC-TV, then the NBC affiliate. So from the middle of 1961 on, each company had a channel all to itself rather than sharing one. A third player, WOKR on Channel 13. jumped into the pool a year later, and one more commercial player, WUHF on Channel 31, joined the market in 1980 and hooked up with Fox when it started in '86. All five commercial stations have changed hands several times since, and what used to be locally-owned outlets are now all owned by out of towners, with only noncomm WXXI still in local hands.
 
oburn said:
did klfy tv and klov tv share time in lafayette louisiana on ch 10

I'm not sure about that one. I worked in the Lafayette market for about 10 years and scoured all of the stations' histories, but never came across KLOV or a timesharing agreement.

I'd be interested to know about this, myself.
 
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